JOHN LYONS Mailing List. Louisiana. Archived by Jan Craven ************************************************ Submitted to the LAGenWeb Archives http:/www.usgwarchives.net/la/lafiles.htm ************************************************ Copyright. All rights reserved. http://www.usgwarchives.net/copyright.htm ************************************************ TIPS FOR SEARCHING RECORDS ON THE INTERNET Netscape & Ms Explorer users: If searching for a particular surname, locality or date while going through the records in the archives or anywhere....try these few steps: 1. Go to the top of the report you are searching. 2. Click on EDIT at the top of your screen. 3. Next click on FIND in the edit menu. 4. When the square pops up, enter what you are looking for in the FIND WHAT ___________blank. 5. Click on DIRECTION __DOWN. 6. And last click on FIND NEXT and continue to click on FIND NEXT until you reach the end of the report. This should highlight the item that you indicated in "find what" every place it appears in the report. You must continue to click on FIND NEXT till you reach the end of the report to see all of the locations of the item indicated. --------------------------------------------------------------- Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: VCundy@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:10:56 EDT Subject: Generation One OK folks.....everyone is awful quite out here, I'm guessing your all busy bees working on those problems for us to solve in Generation One so David can post them to the web page right? Here are a few things I thought might help as we get started on this. When you post anything regarding the children of John and Nancy, lets use the subject line Generation One-"Child's Name" or just Generation One if there is more than one problem you wish to discuss. When you send a response to a posting of Generation One using your reply key, only include the question and comment you are responding to. This way, hopefully it will be easier to keep up with and less confusing for everyone. That is if we have anything to work on???????? Surely, someone can find something to discuss. Anyone ready to go first? Valerie ********************************************************************* Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:56:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: jcraven@mailhost.iamerica.net Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:54:59 -0600 Old-To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com OK. I'll get this started. Here is what I have on Michael. What are your comments? I do not have all sources put in, but I'd like for us to get sources on all of this data. Also, some of these sources can be replaced with much better sources also. Do any of you have actual copies of documents on Michael. (NOTE: I just copied this from my gen software, so the mar. for the children are not noted. We can get into that later after we establish that this is the right list of kids for Uncle/Grampa Mike. 1. MICHAEL3 LYONS (JOHN2, SAMUEL1) was born Abt. 1777 in Prob GA (Source: The Lyons Family by Charlton Havard Lyons), and died 19 Oct 1840 in Gueydan, Lafayette Pr. LA (Source: Lyons Family Bible. "The Lyons Family"by Charlton Havard Lyons Laf #430 1/2. RMF). He married (1) MARY "POLLY" HAYES 27 Oct 1800 in Opelousas, St. Landry Parish, LA (Source: SWLA Records, Hebert Vol 1-A p. 402), daughter of BOSMAN HAYES and MARTHA IVY. He married (2) ELEANOR BERWICK 09 Sep 1828 in Laf Ct Hse Mar # 41 Wid of William Newman. Hemarried (3) SUSAN AIKLY 01 Apr 1834 in Lafayette, Lafayette Pr. LA (Source: Laf. Pr. #97.RMF). More About MARY "POLLY" HAYES: Date of Will: Succ. July 17, 1827 Laf Ct Hse. # 111 Children of MICHAEL LYONS and MARYHAYES are: i. ELIZABETH4 LYONS, b. 20 Nov 1802, near Gueydan, LA (Source:Lyons Family Bible. "The Lyons Family"by Charlton Havard Lyons); d. 16 Jun 1834, Lafayette, Lafayette Pr. LA(Source: Laf # 273 RMF); m. EDWARD MERRIMAN, 18 Jun 1822, Opelousas, St. LandryParish, LA (Source: Succ. dated 16 June 1834, Laf Ct Hse. : Succ. # 273,Hebert Vol 3, p. 434.). 2. ii. FRANCES "FANNY" LYONS, b. 28 Sep 1804, Attakapas, LA; d. 23 Sep 1877, CalcasieuParish, LA. 3. iii. ABEL (GABRIEL) LYONS, b. 05 Aug 1806, Attakapas, LA; d. 30 Aug 1868, CalcasieuParish, LA. 4. iv. SARAH LYONS, b. 27 Jun 1808, Attakapas, LA; d. 26 Jun 1845, Calcasieu Parish, LA. 5. v. NANCY ANNLYONS, b. 12 Oct 1810,Attakapas, LA. 6. vi. ABORN LYONS, b. 19 Oct 1812, near Gueydan, LA; d. Vermillion, La.. 7. vii. BOZMAN LYONS, b. 20 Mar 1815, Near Gueydan, LA; d. Bef. 1870, Vermillion,La.. viii. ISAAC LYONS, b. 29 Apr 1817, near Gueydan, LA (Source: Valerie Lyons provided thisinformation.); d. Bef. 1870, Vermillion, La. (Source: RMF); m. MARY __?__LYONS, Bef. 1860 (Source:RMF). ix. SOLOMON LYONS, b. 27 Feb 1819 (Source: Valerie Lyons provided this information.). 8. x. BENJAMIN LYONS, b. 10 Jun 1824, Calcasieu Parish, LA; d. 26 Mar 1916, OrangeTX. 9. xi. MARTHA LYONS, b. 10 Jun 1824, near Gueydan, LA; d. 14 Mar 1853, CalcasieuParish, LA. Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Old-To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:00 -0400 Subject: GENERATION ONE: Michael Maybe we should approach this from a different angle? How about I cut & paste one child at a time from the www site and we work from that, adding sources, data, discussing what is already stated, etc. JOHN LYONS WWW Web Site reads: Known children of John1 Lyons Sr. and Nancy Anne Ahart were as follows: 2. i. Michael2, born circa 1777 at Virginia; married Mary Polly Hayes; married Eleanor Berwick; married Susan Nolan Aikley. ******************** Who has sources for his date and place of birth in anyone? I have seen Nova Scotia, Canada or Virginia, and Georgia all between 1777-1779. If no one has firm sources or documents what suggestions do you have for what we should state on the web page? Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Mary Hammond wrote: At 01:05 PM 6/5/1998 EDT, you wrote: >Michael, b.ca 1778-Virginia,;married ca October 27,1800 to Mary Polly >Hayes; married to Sept. 9,1828 to Eleanor Berwick a widow; married Susan Nolan Aikley April 1,1834 > >John Jr.b,ca1783,Georgia;married March 30,1804Rachel Marie Foreman, b.1787 >in North Carolina to Ephraim and Elizabeth Brown Foreman, b.1765.Divorced >Rachel and married Rebecca Andrus Gilchrist ,widow on June,19,1826.Rebecca >died1864 in Calcasieu Parish and I believe she is buried at Big Woods Cemetery >I have an old letter from a former sheriff at Branch stating that John and >Rachel >were buried there (PLAQUEMINE BRULEE) and describing the site-. After John >died,Rebecca went to Cal. to live with children > >Gabriel Lyons, b.1786 in Pensacola(then Georgia) was married to > >Amelia Hayes, b.Feb.22 ,1789 whose parents were William 2 and Mary Foreman >Hayes. Amelia died ca.1820 and Gabriel married Nancy Burleigh from New >Orleans, La. on Jan 2,1821.Nancy died March1925 and Gabriel lived until Sept. >10,1843 > >Elizabeth,b ca.1788 and died prior to Sept.4,1855 was married March 31,1804 to >David Harman in St. Martinsville. David was the son ofJacob Harman and Hannah >Guice Harman. Elizabeth was married ,secondly ,ca.1809-10 to Thomas Hayes >He was the son of Bosman and Jane Foreman Hayes. Thomas was born ca.1790,and >prior toSept 4,1855 (Succ. in Hebert) > >I will send info on other 1st generation later. I t takes me too long to hunt >and peck all this out at one time-you can tell I am no typist > > Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mhamm6102@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:05:18 EDT Michael, b.ca 1778-Virginia,; married ca October 27,1800 to Mary Polly Hayes; married Sept. 9,1828 to Eleanor Berwick a widow; married Susan Nolan Aikley April 1,1834 John Jr.b,ca1783,Georgia;married March 30,1804Rachel Marie Foreman,b.1787 i in North Carolina to Ephraim and Elizabeth Brown Foreman,b.1765.Divorced Rachel and married Rebecca Andrus Gilchrist ,widow on June,19,1826.Rebecca died1864 in Calcasieu Parish and I believe she is buried at Big Woods Cemetery I have an old letter from a former sheriff at Branch stating that John and Rachel were buried there (PLAQUEMINE bRULEE) and describing the site-. After John died,Rebecca went to Cal. to live with children Gabriel Lyons,b.1786 in Pensacola(then Georgia) was married to Amelia Hayes,b.Feb.22 ,1789 whose parents were William 2 and Mary Foreman Hayes.Amelia died ca.1820 and Gabriel married Nancy Burleigh from New Orleans,La.on Jan 2,1821.Nancy died March1925 and Gabriel lived untIL Sept. 10,1843 Elizabeth,b ca.1788 and died prior to Sept.4,1855 was married March 31,1804 to David Harman in St. Martinsville. David was the son of Jacob Harman and Hannah Guice Harman. Elizabeth was married ,secondly ,ca.1809-10 to Thomas Hayes He was the son of Bosman and Jane Foreman Hayes. Thomas was born ca.1790,and prior toSept 4,1855 (Succ. in Hebert) I will send info on other 1st generation later. I t takes me too long to hunt and peck all this out at one time-you can tell I am no typist At 10:45 AM 6/5/1998 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:54 AM 6/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >>OK. I'll get this started. >>Here is what I have on Michael. What are your comments? >>I do not have all sources put in, but I'd like for us to get sources on all >>of this data. > >What I'd really like to have is a full source citation for each of the >items that I already have on the WWW page and for each thing that should be >added. Although I have a pretty good idea of what the abbreviations mean, >I'm not always sure. I am sure that those who haven't done much research >in SW Louisiana aren't likely to know what the abbreviations mean. I >propose that we not only reach concensus on what facts to include but on >the source language as well. > >On our WWW page, almost all of the sources are genealogist's records. Some >of them refer to Hebert citing church or court house records. I'd like to >post that sort of thing for all of our sources. > >If I were still in New Orleans, I'd look the references up myself and get >them formatted properly. I'll have to ask others to do this, if that's ok. > >David > >David >-- >David Lawrence >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) >California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention >San Diego, California USA > > > Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:45:25 -0700 (PDT) At 08:54 AM 6/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >OK. I'll get this started. >Here is what I have on Michael. What are your comments? >I do not have all sources put in, but I'd like for us to get sources on all >of this data. What I'd really like to have is a full source citation for each of the items that I already have on the WWW page and for each thing that should be added. Although I have a pretty good idea of what the abbreviations mean, I'm not always sure. I am sure that those who haven't done much research in SW Louisiana aren't likely to know what the abbreviations mean. I propose that we not only reach concensus on what facts to include but on the source language as well. On our WWW page, almost all of the sources are genealogist's records. Some of them refer to Hebert citing church or court house records. I'd like to post that sort of thing for all of our sources. If I were still in New Orleans, I'd look the references up myself and get them formatted properly. I'll have to ask others to do this, if that's ok. David David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention San Diego, California USA JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 12 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Generation One: MICHAEL [Mhamm6102@aol.com] #2 Re: Generation One: MICHAEL [Mhamm6102@aol.com] #3 Re: Generation One: MICHAEL [David Lawrence ] #4 GENERATION ONE: Michael [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #5 Re: GENERATION ONE: Michael [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #6 Just for Fun!! [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #7 More Just for Fun! [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #8 Re: More Just for Fun! [Jan Craven ] #9 Re: GENERATION ONE: Michael [Mhamm6102@aol.com] #10 Generation One - new source ["Laura Wright" ] #14 Re: More Just for Fun! [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #15 THE LYONS FAMILY, By Charlton Hava [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:05:18 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <99aa7003.35782550@aol.com> Subject: Re: Generation One: MICHAEL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Michael,b.ca 1778-Virginia,;married ca October 27,1800 to Mary Polly Hayes;married toSept. 9,1828 to Eleanor Berwick a widow; married Susan Nolan Aikley April 1,1834 John Jr.b,ca1783,Georgia;married March 30,1804Rachel Marie Foreman,b.1787 i in North Carolina to Ephraim and Elizabeth Brown Foreman,b.1765.Divorced Rachel and married Rebecca Andrus Gilchrist ,widow on June,19,1826.Rebecca died1864 in Calcasieu Parish and I believe she is buried at Big Woods Cemetery I have an old letter from a former sheriff at Branch stating that John and Rachel were buried there (PLAQUEMINE bRULEE) and describing the site-. After John died,Rebecca went to Cal. to live with children Gabriel Lyons,b.1786 in Pensacola(then Georgia) was married to Amelia Hayes,b.Feb.22 ,1789 whose parents were William 2 and Mary Foreman Hayes.Amelia died ca.1820 and Gabriel married Nancy Burleigh from New Orleans,La.on Jan 2,1821.Nancy died March1925 and Gabriel lived untIL Sept. 10,1843 Elizabeth,b ca.1788 and died prior toSept.4,1855 was married March 31,1804 to David Harman in St. Martinsville.David was the son ofJacob Harman and Hannah Guice Harman.Elizabeth was married ,secondly ,ca.1809-10 toThomas Hayes He was the son of Bosman and Jane Foreman Hayes.Thomas was born ca.1790,and prior toSept 4,1855 (Succ. in Hebert) I will send info on other 1st generation later. I t takes me too long to hunt and peck all this out at one time-you can tell I am no typist ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:09:11 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: Generation One: MICHAEL Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On Rebecca -that is Calcasieu Parish not California!! bear with me!! ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 10:45:15 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980605100632.006b0ca4@home.com> Subject: Re: Generation One: MICHAEL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:54 AM 6/5/98 -0600, you wrote: >OK. I'll get this started. >Here is what I have on Michael. What are your comments? >I do not have all sources put in, but I'd like for us to get sources on all >of this data. What I'd really like to have is a full source citation for each of the items that I already have on the WWW page and for each thing that should be added. Although I have a pretty good idea of what the abbreviations mean, I'm not always sure. I am sure that those who haven't done much research in SW Louisiana aren't likely to know what the abbreviations mean. I propose that we not only reach concensus on what facts to include but on the source language as well. On our WWW page, almost all of the sources are genealogist's records. Some of them refer to Hebert citing church or court house records. I'd like to post that sort of thing for all of our sources. If I were still in New Orleans, I'd look the references up myself and get them formatted properly. I'll have to ask others to do this, if that's ok. David David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention San Diego, California USA ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:04:00 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980605.150401.4254.0.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: GENERATION ONE: Michael Maybe we should approach this from a different angle? How about I cut & paste one child at a time from the www site and we work from that, adding sources, data, discussing what is already stated, etc. JOHN LYONS WWW Web Site reads: Known children of John1 Lyons Sr. and Nancy Anne Ahart were as follows: 2. i. Michael2, born circa 1777 at Virginia; married Mary Polly Hayes; married Eleanor Berwick; married Susan Nolan Aikley. ******************** Who has sources for his date and place of birth in anyone? I have seen Nova Scotia, Canada or Virginia, and Georgia all between 1777-1779. If no one has firm sources or documents what suggestions do you have for what we should state on the web page? Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:44:46 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980605.161424.4254.1.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: GENERATION ONE: Michael Who has sources for his date and place of birth in anyone? I have >seen Nova Scotia, Canada or Virginia, and Georgia all between >1777-1779. AMERICAN STATE PAPERS Vol. 3 1815-1824 Public Lands, States: No.96 Michel Lyon, one of the sons of John Lyon, settled oon the land purchased by the said John Lyon from the Indians, about the year 1800; that he said M. Lyon was more than twenty -one years of age and the head of a family. No.682 Michael Lyons claims six hundred and forty superficial acres of land, situated on the south side of bayou Queue de Tortue, in the county of Attakapas, as a noted crossing place, bounded on all sides by land of John Lyons, claimant's father. The evidence of Bosman Hays, taken the 14th Nov. 1812, states , that this land is within a tract purchased by claimants father from the Indians; that the claimant now resides where the village stood, and has inhabited and cultivated the same from 1801 to the present date; and further, that either the claimant or his father, had pens for their cattle on said land in Sept , 1800. Should the claim of Michael Lyons, (claimant's father) reported by the late Board of Commissioners, be confirmed, this claim wants no further confirmation, being included therein. CALENDAR OF ST. LANDRY PARISH, LA CIVIL RECORDS VOL. 1 1803-1819 Opelousas: 15 April 1819 Survey of land on Nayou Queue de Tortue in dispute between the heirs of Francois STELLY and John LYONS, Sr. Other names shown on map: John Lyons, Jr., and Michael LYONS next page shows a copy of land map in question. ************** >Valerie Lyons Cundy >vcundy@juno.com >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get >completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno >at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:14:23 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980605.161424.4254.2.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Just for Fun!! I have been looking for sources this afternoon and ran across some correspondance I thought you all might enjoy. The letter: The Lyons and Associated Families, United S.A. "Ted " Lyons, Jr Director John Lyons Repository Library P.O. Box 3064 Corpus Christi, Texas 78404 512-884-6238 January 16, 1974 Mrs. Alberta Rousseau Ducote, GRS 6241 Mathews St Baton Rougem La 70812 Dear Alberta, Pursuant to our phone conversation regarding the possiblities of the John LYONS (Sr) house and the adjoining LYONS -Simon Cemetary in Acadia Parish not far from south of LYONS Point and just north of Bayou Queue de Tortue, I am writing this letter. It is very exciting to learn that as a US landmark, this house and cenetary area as important historically to the history of America as well as to the LYONS family. Owing to the fact, this land ( the orginal LYONS plantation ) was owned by the native Attakapas Indian tribe and their descendants still live in and around Acadia Parish, it is very significant the John LYONS (Sr.) was one of the first Colonials to have purchased land from a tribe of native American Indians. Therefore, as I understand you, there is the distinct possibilitiy of receiving assistance (in the form of hard cash) in aiding us (The LYONS famiy ) to preserve for history and prosterity.....The John LYONS (SR) residence and cemetary. Without question now, it is absolutely mandantory that we establish the authenticity of the John LYONS (SR) house and cemetary. Therefore, I am appointing a special committee of Charter Members of the LYONS and Associated Memebrs, United entitled The John LYONS Historical Site Investigation Committee which shall be composed of the following members: Mr. Wallce Hargrave, Chairman; Mr. Norwood Marcy Lyons, Miss Mary Elizabeth Sanders, and yourself, Mrs. Alberta Rousseau Ducote. Additional members could be appointed, if the the need arises. The purpose of theis committee will be to determine if the John LYONS (SR.) house is authentic and was erected prior to 1834. Also, if proven authentic to determine what to recommend to the LYONS and Associated Families, United in the form of postive action. Enclosed you will find a copy of an original survey map amde in 1819 of the location of the house involved. It is hoped that together with other data obtained from either the files of St. Landry Parish Clerk of Court or the Acadia Parish Clerk of COurt, a positive authentic determination can be resolved about the house and cemetary by your efforts. A report should be completed and made to me no later than Friday, February 15, 1974. Thank you and God Bless....... Sincerely, Ted Lyons *************** There is also a copy of 23 members who belonged to this organization. complete with there addresses and phone numbers, all dated July 26, 1973. A couple of the names of members were: Mrs. Sibyl P ANDRUS, Charlton Harvard LYONS(SR), Mrs. Harold LYONS, (SR), Ted LYONS, and Vivian Hebert SWENT. I also have copies of other letters than were written during this time frame between members of this group. I'll post some of it later if your interested. I just thought this was kinda of fun to read, wishing I could call one of them up and have them fill me in on what they dug up some 25 years ago. This information came to me a couple of years back from one of our own; Mary Hammond....Thanks Mary Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:57:08 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980605.165710.4254.3.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: More Just for Fun! Beaumont Enterprise, Friday, August 22, 1975 : Clifton Guidry, age 74 at the time states the following in a newspaper article: My great-great-great grandfather, John Lyons came from England, and purchased 6,000 acres of land from an Indian Tribe. Bayou Queue de Tortue split the acreage right down the middle. It was known as the John Lyons grant. and it was recognized officially by the governments of France, Spain and the United States. This took place I believe in 1738. We still own it. The seventh and eight generation is still living on the property. Guidry' s daughter and her husband the Lyle O Fogleman family live at the Lyons Point community near the old house. ******************* The story is titled " Louisiana family claims old debt from Union Army " I'm not trying to get off the track of Michael, just wanted to share some of these things that I've come across this afternoon, kinda dreary here, cold.& rainy.....perfect for this kinda stuff. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:06:36 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605160636.0082ca30@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: More Just for Fun! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's nothing. I have a copy of an article that was in the Houston paper that was an interview of two of my "Perkins cousins" They stated in the article that one of them had *furniture* that they had inherited form their Perkins kin that had come over on the Mayflower. HONEST! That ship must have been bigger than we thot! LOL That 1738 date MUST prove that old John was here in LA. MUCH earlier than any of us suspected! This is fun! Keep them coming, Valerie! (Wish I could send you some of this HOT & DRY LA weather!!) Jan At 04:57 PM 6/5/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Beaumont Enterprise, Friday, August 22, 1975 : > >Clifton Guidry, age 74 at the time states the following in a newspaper >article: > >My great-great-great grandfather, John Lyons came from England, and >purchased 6,000 acres of land from an Indian Tribe. Bayou Queue de Tortue >split the acreage right down the middle. It was known as the John Lyons >grant. and it was recognized officially by the governments of France, >Spain and the United States. This took place I believe in 1738. We >still own it. The seventh and eight generation is still living on the >property. > >Guidry' s daughter and her husband the Lyle O Fogleman family live at the >Lyons Point community near the old house. > >******************* > >The story is titled " Louisiana family claims old debt from Union Army " > > >I'm not trying to get off the track of Michael, just wanted to share some >of these things that I've come across this afternoon, kinda dreary here, >cold.& rainy.....perfect for this kinda stuff. > > >Valerie Lyons Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:09:10 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4ac5316b.35785e77@aol.com> Subject: Re: GENERATION ONE: Michael Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Michael I-John I's brother was born in Canada.John's son Micheal was born in Va.as stated in HEBERT.I believe that was taken from baptismal records-birth would date back to 1778when date of baptism minus age is considered ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:41:23 -0500 From: "Laura Wright" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199806052139.OAA17634@bl-4.rootsweb.com> Subject: Generation One - new source Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My mother-in-law found John Sr's line on World Family Tree, Vol. #5, Pedigree #1179. This came free with Family Treemaker, so I assume many of you have it. I don't. She read alot of it to me over the phone (she's going to attempt to email the text to me). What made me think no one had looked at this information was some of the details she mentioned, such as batism dates and locations and succession #s. Some highlights: John Lions, Sr.'s father was Samuel Lions of Georgia. John Sr. died in Opelousas, succession #676, 9/3/1834. Nancy (of Georgia and Virginia) died in Opelousas, suc. MAR#73 Elizabeth is listed as the first child. In addition to Rachel Marie Foreman and Rebecca Gilchrist, John Jr. married Marie Hayes 10/27/1800. They had four children: John, Joseph, Alfred and Littleton. (Miscarriages or stillbirths might explain the repeat of John and Joseph with Marie Foreman.) John Jr. was baptized 8/17/1797 at 14 years of age at St. Mary's Church. (There's also a "V 4 #917, whatever that means.) There is much more information of this nature in the record. Primarily following Michael and Mary "Polly"'s line. Is this new information to anyone? Does anyone have this program? If not, I'll forward the text file whenever/ifever my mother-in-law can figure out how to send it to me. If she can't, I know she'll be able to send it to Jan, who has FT. Please let me know. Laura ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:44:24 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <66796d71.357866b9@aol.com> Subject: Re: More Just for Fun! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have been to the house pictured in the book-belonged to Aselima Lyons and her husband-Probably built when they married.The cemetery iwas in bad circumstances.She is there and her husband Valerian Simon.Did not see the house that Guidry's own.there is a map in my book ,Valerie,that shows all the land holdings at that place. Also,perhaps a note that will clarify some of the research: I found that John Jr.had taken the name of Sr.after his father died .Look on page 8 where John sENIOR WAS HAVING A PUBLIC AUCTION IN 1840.John I HAD BEEN DEAD FOR 5 OR 6 YEARS AT THAT TIME,AND WE KNOW John JR.had been living in Robert's Cove.Mary ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:52:53 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <769c9673.357868ba@aol.com> Subject: Re: More Just for Fun! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit American States paper state that the land was purchased in 1800 unless My eyesight and my mind are going ,going , gone.Check it out Mary. ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 17:05:49 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605170549.00865100@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Generation One - new source Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Laura. That is my submission. It was done about 3 years ago or maybe 4 when this World Family Tree first started. The source material is still valid, but there are many errors that I have found since then and corrected. So take that with a grain of salt. It ain't all right! At 04:41 PM 6/5/1998 -0500, you wrote: > >My mother-in-law found John Sr's line on World Family Tree, Vol. #5, >Pedigree #1179. This came free with Family Treemaker, so I assume many of >you have it. I don't. She read alot of it to me over the phone (she's going >to attempt to email the text to me). What made me think no one had looked at >this information was some of the details she mentioned, such as batism dates >and locations and succession #s. > >Some highlights: > >John Lions, Sr.'s father was Samuel Lions of Georgia. > >John Sr. died in Opelousas, succession #676, 9/3/1834. >Nancy (of Georgia and Virginia) died in Opelousas, suc. MAR#73 > >Elizabeth is listed as the first child. > >In addition to Rachel Marie Foreman and Rebecca Gilchrist, John Jr. married >Marie Hayes 10/27/1800. They had four children: John, Joseph, Alfred and >Littleton. (Miscarriages or stillbirths might explain the repeat of John and >Joseph with Marie Foreman.) > >John Jr. was baptized 8/17/1797 at 14 years of age at St. Mary's Church. >(There's also a "V 4 #917, whatever that means.) > >There is much more information of this nature in the record. Primarily >following Michael and Mary "Polly"'s line. Is this new information to >anyone? Does anyone have this program? If not, I'll forward the text file >whenever/ifever my mother-in-law can figure out how to send it to me. If she >can't, I know she'll be able to send it to Jan, who has FT. > >Please let me know. Laura > > > ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:32:11 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980605.183223.4254.7.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: More Just for Fun! That 1738 date MUST prove that old John was here in LA. MUCH earlier >than any of us suspected! I don't know about that, I guess that depends on how much weight you want to give Mr. Guidry's memory for recalling that date.....personally, I would rather have his source Just another example of how things can get so confusing, Heck....John Sr, is not even born until abt 1750 from what we know. Maybe we just don't know as much as some of those folks like Mr. Guidry Just another reminder for us all to carefully consider all the information before we delcare it as fact. I will send across the story that he tells though, it's pretty fun to read. Valerie _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #15 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:14:10 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980605.183223.4254.4.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: THE LYONS FAMILY, By Charlton Havard Lyons 1967 THE LYONS FAMILY, by Charlton Havard Lyons 1967 Pg. 37 Chapter IV John Lyons, Sr., was the first Lyons ancestor of which we have record. He was born about 1757. John's father may have been Samuel Lyons but there is no proof of this. According to one family legend, the Lyons came from Ireland and Scotland. According to another they came to this country from Novia Scotia about the time of the American Revolution. It is not known when the first Lyons reached Louisiana. Some members of the family believe that the Lyons first settled in Georgia or Tennessee. However it is certain that John Lyons Sr., was in Louisiana prior to 1801 for in that year he purchased some 6000 acres of land in what is now Vermilion and Acadia Parishes. The land is situated on both the north and south sides of Bayou Queue de Tortue. John Lyons, Sr., was the father of at least seven children: 1. Michael Lyons, b. abt 1777 2. John Lyons, Jr. 3. Gabriel Lyons 4. Elizabeth Lyons 5. Samuel Lyons 6. William Lyons 7.David Lyons John Lyons, Sr. married Nancy or Ana Ahart. It is thought that all of John's children were born of this marriage; however , Michael, the eldest child, might have been by a previous marriage. According to the Lyons' Family Bible, Nancy Ahart Lyons died on June 1, 1809, and John Lyons, Sr. died on August 23, 1835. He died at his home place on Bayou Queue de Tortue. Michael Lyons purchased a portion of the 'home" place from his father, John Lyons, Sr. This property was located on the south side of the bayou; his father lived on the north side. Michael Lyons was married three times. His first wife was Mary "Polly" Hayes, daughter of Bosman Hayes and his wife Martha Ivy Hayes. They were married on Oct 27, 1800. Mary died May 17, 1826. Michael's second wife was Ellenor Berwick, widow of William Newman. They were married on Sept 10, 1828. She died March 9, 1833. No children were born of this marriage. His third wife was Susan Nolan Reeves Aikley. They were married on April 1, 1834. Michael died on Oct. 19, 1840. His wife, Susan died February 22, 1865. Michael and Mary Lyons had the following children: 1. Elizabeth, b. 20 Nov 1802. who married Edward Merriman on 18 Jun 1822. She died on 7 Apr 1834 at age 32. 2. Fanny, b. 28 Sep 1804, who married WIlliam Prather on 27 Aug 1822 3. Abel, b. 5 Aug 1806, who married Ann Druzilla on 13 Feb 1827. She died on 15 Oct 1827 at 18 yrs of age. 4. Sarah, b. 27 Jun 1808, who married Richard West on 22 Jun 1824. She died 22 Feb 1865 5. Nancy, b. 12 Oct 1810 who married John Brien on 6 Mar 1827 6. Aborn, b. 19 Oct 1812 7. Bozman, b. 20 Mar 1815 8. Isaac, b. 29 Apr 1817 9. Solomon, b. 27 Feb 1819 10. Benjamin and Martha, b. 10 Jun 1824 (twins) ABORN LYONS, the sixth child of Michael Lyons and his first wife Mary Hayes married Elizabeth Ann Reeves on 15 Mar 1842. Elizabeth Ann was the daughter of John Reeves and his wife, Susan Nolan. (Susan Nolan Reeves Aikley was the third wife of Michael Lyons, Aborn's father) Aborn and Elizabeth had eight children: 1. Lyman Constantine Lyons, b. 2 Mar 1843 2. Lucinda Reeves Lyons, b. 15 Nov 1845, who married W.D. White 3. Henry Bascom Lyons, b. 20 Jun 1848 4. Franklin Lyons, b. April 1851 5. Nannie Sue Lyons, b. 15 Oct 1853, who married Crawley D Rose 6. Jefferson Aborn Lyons, b. 28 Sep 1856 7. Mary Ella Lyons, b. 23 Jul 1862, who married Walter Augustus White 8. ERNEST JOHN LYONS, b. 22 Apr 1865 ERNEST JOHN LYONS, eighth child of Aborn and Elizabeth was born at Abbeville, La., on 22 Apr 1865. He married Joyce Bentley Havard, at Big Cane, La. on 12 Jun 1893. Joyce was b. 30 Nov 1875. Ernest and Joyce lived at Abbeville for ___two years; then moved to Melville, La, where Joyce's father and mother lived. They lived at Melville for many years. They were residing in Shreveport, La. at the time of their deaths. Joyce died at ____Infirmary, New Orleans, La, on 12 Oct 1925; Ernest died at Shreveport on 21 Jun 1934. Both were buried in the Episcopal Cemetery at Melville. Joyce and Ernest had six children: 1. CHARLTON HAVARD LYONS, b. 3 Sep 1894 2. Katharine Lyons 3. Ernest Havard Lyons 4. Arthur Elmore Havard Lyons 5. Sallie Havard Lyons, who married Thomas Muldrop Logan 6. Roy Havard Lyons The Ernest John Lyons family lived near Abbeville, Vermilion Parish, La. The first Lyons we have record of is John Lyons, Sr. John Lyons, Sr., moved to Vermilion Parish, La. prior to 1800. It is not definitely known where he lived before moving to that area. John married Nancy Ahart. One of John's children was Michael Lyons who married Mary Hayes. One of their children was Aborn Lyons. He married Elizabeth Ann Reeves. One of their children was Ernest John Lyons, husband of Joyce Bentley Harvard. and father of Charlton Harvard Lyons. According to one family legend, the Lyons were Scotch-Irish. According to another, the family came to Louisiana from Halifax, Novia Scotia, at the time of the Acadian deportation in 1755. In 1907, Benjamin Lyons executed an affidavit stating that his grandfather, John Lyons, II, had told him when he was a boy that his great-grandfather, John Lyons I, had to get out of Canada because " he would not obey the rules that they wanted him to obey." ************************************** There are still 3 pages from the book on that detail Charlton Havard, his life and the life of his two children, Charlton Havard, Jr and Hall McCord..... Hall McCord Lyons is now 75 yrs old and lived at Grand Isle, La. in 1996 where I visited him after I discoverd his father's genealogy through the LDS library. He graciously, allowed me to copy the book that his father had put together some 29 previous. Everything stated above is complete for the Lyons branch of the book, excluding only the last 3 pages as mentioned above. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ******************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 13 Today's Topics: #1 GENERATION ONE: Michael [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #2 Re: John Jr. ["Walter N. Langham, Jr." ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:13:12 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980606.101314.3438.5.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: GENERATION ONE: Michael JOHN LYONS WWW Web Site reads: Known children of John1 Lyons Sr. and Nancy Anne Ahart were as follows: 2. i. Michael2, born circa 1777 at Virginia; married Mary Polly Hayes; married Eleanor Berwick; married Susan Nolan Aikley. ******************** This is about the only real source I could come up with in regards to his birthdate. Anyone else have anything? No.96 Michel Lyon, one of the sons of John Lyon, settled oon the land purchased by the said John Lyon from the Indians, about the year 1800; that he said M. Lyon was more than twenty -one years of age and the head of a family. ******************** We can calculate that based on the above he was born no later than 1779. Based on the marriage to his first wife he was at least 21 years old. HEBERT- LYONS, John - Lutheran, of Virginia (John & Anne AHART) m. Monday, 27 Oct 1800 Mary HAYES - Lutheran (Bosman & Martha IVY of this parish) Wit: Bosman LAFAYETTE PARISH MARRIAGE RECORDS Book 1 1823-1830 - Michel Lyons (H. I 385) son of John Lyons Sr. and Nancy Anna Ahart. (Ed. Note: Michel Lyons signs his name as John Lyons on the marriage document with Mary Polly Hayes. b.________ m. 1) 27 Oct 1800 Mary Polly Hayes (Opel. ch. v. 1 Supp #15) Based on the birth of his first child he was at least 23 years old. THE LYONS FAMILY, by Charlton Havard Lyons 1967- Elizabeth Lyons b. 20 Nov 1802 ******************************* I would like to see some suggestions as to what should be posted for his birthdate and place of birth considering we have a few possibilites floating around. Where does 1777 come from, how do we know if the birthplace is Georgia, Virginia or Canada? Waiting to here from you. Valerie _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 20:29:20 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00d901bd91b3$d946a0e0$a29086d0@default> Subject: Re: John Jr. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have found four references to John Lyons in theWoodville Republican. This is said to be the eraliest newspaper published in the Miss. Territory. I think there concer John Lyons Jr( John Michel) because of the dates Dec.10,1842 John Partin offers for rent two houses in the N.E. part of Woodville. One identified as the house currently occupied by John Lyons. March 8, 1845 John Lyons guardian of Jacob Wigley desc.will present his accounts for final setlement. (seems to be a legal notice.) Aug.2,1845 John Lyons lost a grey mare. ( Wonder if it was an old grey mare) Aug14,1845 John Lyons , guardian to sell property of Robert Wigley. Also found two land transations in Miss. Territory for Samuel Lyons in 1797. Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:40:17 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980606214016.006d0c88@mail> Subject: traffic on the John Lyons WWW site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From 9:00 pm (Pacific Time) Saturday 30 May to 9:00 6 June there were (not counting my visits) there were 257 total visits -- 97 accesses from unique hosts, if more than one person from AOL or Compuserve visited they were only counted once. I wonder where everyone found out about the site. As far as I know it has only been discussed here. There aren't that many of us (yet). Unfortunately, I don't have a linked-from statistic on this page. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention San Diego, California USA ************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 14 Today's Topics: #1 Re: traffic on the John Lyons WWW [Jan Craven ] #2 Re: John Jr. [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #3 Re: traffic on the John Lyons WWW [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #4 Re: John Jr. ["KellyT" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 07:02:16 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980607070216.00846d30@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: traffic on the John Lyons WWW site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK, Valerie. Are you sitting there at your computer logging on to that site so the count will go up? Jan At 09:40 PM 6/6/1998 -0700, you wrote: >From 9:00 pm (Pacific Time) Saturday 30 May to 9:00 6 June there were (not >counting my visits) there were 257 total visits -- 97 accesses from unique >hosts, if more than one person from AOL or Compuserve visited they were >only counted once. I wonder where everyone found out about the site. As >far as I know it has only been discussed here. There aren't that many of >us (yet). Unfortunately, I don't have a linked-from statistic on this page. > >David >-- >David Lawrence >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) >California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention >San Diego, California USA > > > ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:41:26 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980607.104255.3262.2.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: John Jr. Hmmmmmm, I'm intrigued by this one. wonder if it was our Samuel? He didn't die until 1804....does it give details? Also found two land transations in Miss. Territory for Samuel Lyons >in >1797. > >Barbara > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 10:35:31 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980607.104255.3262.1.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: traffic on the John Lyons WWW site Actually I thought it was probably you Jan .......That's really interesting that so many folks are checking out the web page. Has it been posted on the Calcasieu Parish page yet? I did send Margaret a note on Friday asking if she would post it there. In any event, that seems like an awful lot of visits . Would love to see some of that activity on here.....We don't seem to be getting to far with our Michael. Any thoughts on that???? Valerie On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 07:02:16 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >OK, Valerie. >Are you sitting there at your computer logging on to that site so the >count will go up? _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:42:15 -0500 From: "KellyT" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001a01bd9254$c1e28d00$50b02399@kt-p2-300> Subject: Re: John Jr. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walter--I would be interested in the two land transactions that you found for Samuel, as he is the one that I descend from-----can you say more??? Jenn -----Original Message----- From: Walter N. Langham, Jr. To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 8:30 PM Subject: Re: John Jr. >I have found four references to John Lyons in the Woodville Republican. This >is said to be the earliest newspaper published in the Miss. Territory. I >think there concer John Lyons Jr( John Michel) because of the dates > >Dec.10,1842 John Partin offers for rent two houses in the N.E. part of >Woodville. One identified as the house currently occupied by John Lyons. > >March 8, 1845 John Lyons guardian of Jacob Wigley desc. will present his >accounts for final settlement. >(seems to be a legal notice.) > >Aug.2,1845 John Lyons lost a grey mare. ( Wonder if it was an old grey mare) > > >Aug14,1845 John Lyons , guardian to sell property of Robert Wigley. > >Also found two land transactions in Miss. Territory for Samuel Lyons in >1797. > >Barbara > > > *************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 15 Today's Topics: #1 Is anybody out there???? [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #2 Re: Is anybody out there???? ["Lynn & Bill King" ] #7 Re: Is anybody out there???? ["KellyT" ] #8 Re: John Jr. ["Walter N. Langham, Jr." ] #10 Baptismal Record [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:25:16 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980608.192802.3214.1.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Is anybody out there???? I haven't seen anybody "unsub" from the list, but I haven't seen anyone posting either, beginning to wonder if my mail is working properly or if everyone is just taking a breather???? I know...... your all just having too much fun researching our Michael, right? Let me know if we've exhausted the problems with him and maybe we will just have to move on........ Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:40:04 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <006a01bd9336$c498b0a0$a31990d1@default> Subject: Re: Is anybody out there???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still here. Just absorbing all the data that's being tossed in. I'm getting much more than I'm giving at this point. You are all far ahead of me in research. Maybe when we get further down in generations I can help. Lynn Bagley King ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:43:07 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is anybody out there???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Lynn for checking in......makes me feel a little better :) ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:57:24 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001301bd9339$2fa4f280$509186d0@default> Subject: Re: Is anybody out there???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still here just don't have anything new in that generation. Will be at library Tuesday and check Miss. Territory records for Lyons. I saw an Elizabeth Ann Lyons in the old newspaper records but there is no clue to her connection. Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:58:06 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4d3d304e.357c7a8f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Is anybody out there???? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks Barbara......Glad to hear you all are still with us.... ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 19:14:13 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980608191413.008575e0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Is anybody out there???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm still here too. Loading files to the archives. There was a mention of Ted Lyons, our cousin who what the Baseball hall of famer in Sat's paper in the 50 yrs ago today column. Ted was from Vinton and is buried, where else? Big Woods. I'll type in the info later for you all to see what famous cousins we had. BTW, I am archiveing this list in the Lagniappe section of the LaGenWeb Archives. I'll let you know as soon as there is a url. Don't know how much time I'll have tonite. Hubby is busy keeping me busy. Jan At 07:58 PM 6/8/1998 EDT, you wrote: >Thanks Barbara......Glad to hear you all are still with us.... > > > ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:55:15 -0500 From: "KellyT" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000801bd92ed$72c59de0$1c30fcd0@kt-p2-300> Subject: Re: Is anybody out there???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ditto the Kings.........Jenn T -----Original Message----- From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Is anybody out there???? >Thanks Lynn for checking in......makes me feel a little better :) > > ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:51:29 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002301bd9349$1f781120$ed9186d0@default> Subject: Re: John Jr. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kelly, I am not sure who this Samuel is. He could be the father of John Sr. I have just checked the dates on the four Samuels that I have listed. None of the others are old enough to have bought or sold land in 1797. This may be an unrelated Samuel but since John Sr. is there (Mississippi Territory) in the same time frame I think it is most likely that this is our Samuel. I will look for more information Tuesday at the library. Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:37:28 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980608213728.006ee0e0@mail> Subject: Source Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've quite a number of specific questions about the sources of the information that has been posted to the list and then to the John Lyons WWW site. I'd like to ask a few questions each day and add the answers to the WWW site. There may be more than one source for each fact. Lets work on selecting the best sources to document what we post. Very few WWW sites are careful about listing a source of the information posted. Almost none list sources that include full information in a consistent way. I hope that you will not think me too picky. Although it is probably best to list primary sources for our information, for much of it we will probably have secondary sources like Hebert's books. If someone has actually seen the original record I'd like to post "verified by ...." Otherwise we should list the book and author that pointed us to the record(s). I think that we should also point out where we find errors, conflicts, or inconsistencies. For each of the following facts I'd like the full source listed without abbreviations. For example: D.J. Hebert. Southwest Louisiana Records: Church and Civil Records, Vol. 2 (Eunice, LA: Hebert Publications, 1974), p. 811, citing: Lafayette Parish (Louisiana) Records, Marriage #47, 1829. Author Full title of the book Volume number Publication Place Publisher Page number If the book is citing another record, what exactly does it cite? Here is the information about John Sr. for which we should have full sources: John Lyons birth date ca 1750 "Records state that he is 'of Georgia'" what records? (Not that Georgia is his birth place but we should have a source for this statement. What are the _other_ birthplace possibilities and the sources for each?) Married Nancy Anna Ahart ca. 1776 He (Juan de Lion an inhabitant of Pensacola) petitioned for a land concession 80 by 40 arpents at the mouth of Bayou Vermilion on the right bank descending and the last high land on the bayou to form a vacherie and to make oak timber for the construction of boats on 4 Mar 1790. (This was posted with the source: "Record Group P85-190 at Louisiana State Archives," La Raconteur 15-6 (1995). Was this in an article? What was the title of the article? Who was the author? What were the beginning and ending pages of the article? 15-6? What was the volume number of the issue? What was the issue number? What month was the issue published? Married Agnes Berwick 30 Nov 1829 (where did the marriage take place?) Died ca 1834 in St. Landry Parish, LA I'll enter the information if you will supply it. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention San Diego, California USA ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:21:34 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980609.132135.3214.6.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Baptismal Record This is a copy of a record that states the following: Winston DeVille Easton, Louisiana Source: St. Martin Catholic Church, St. Martinville, Louisiana. Baptisms Type of Copy: Genealogical Abstract Baptism of John Lyons Son of John Lyons and Nancy Ahart, who is a native of Georgia and son of Samuel Lyons of Germany. *********************************** another copy of a Baptismal Record: Certificate of Baptism, Eglise St. Martin De Tours. p.o. box 71, St. Martinville, La 70582 This is to certify That: Samuel Lyons Child of: Juan Lyon and Ana Heat born in: (not given) 10 years of age was Baptised on the 16 day of June 1804 According to the Rite of the Roman Catholic Church by the Rev. Miguel Bernardo Barriere The sponsors being : Juan Lyon, and Rebeka ? as appears from the Baptismak Register of this church. dated 5/5/76 vol.6 #105 Pastor: K. Moovant ? ************************** another Baptismal Record: Baptismal Record of Gabriel Lyons, St. Martin de Tours Church, v. 4 #916, St. Martinville, La. Gabriel Layens (Gabriel Lyons) 17 August 1797, I , Migl. Berndo. Barriere, priest of St. Martin Church of the Post of Atakapas, baptised ......., an adult of the age of 12 years, legitimate son of Juan Layens (John LYons), native of Gerogia, and Ana Ahart, native of the same province in America. Paternal grandparents Samuel Layens (Samuel Lyons) and ..............., native of Germany. Maternal grandparents ??? *************************** _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 16 Today's Topics: #1 (VALERIE L CUNDY): GOOD AFTERNOON! [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #2 Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): GOOD AFTERN [Jeremy A Fountain ] #4 RE: Source Questions response [Rosemary ] #5 Re: What are the "Yellowed Pages"? [Jan Craven ] #6 Mailing list archived [Jan Craven ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:36:59 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980609.173701.3214.8.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: (VALERIE L CUNDY): GOOD AFTERNOON! As of Tuesday, June 9th. The following have joined the list. 16 and growing!!!!! I think I counted right this time Jan. 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawerence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16*BETTY GAIENNIE WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 5 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane GABRIEL ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright DAVID David Lawerence Lynn King _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:03:41 -0500 From: Jeremy A Fountain To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980609180341.007f4a40@mail.geocities.com> Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): GOOD AFTERNOON! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We >currently have descendants from 5 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. >Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we >have: I descend through MICHAEL to ABEL then to his daughter EMILY. Jeremy A Fountain http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/7170 ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:33:51 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980609183350.006e2c78@mail> Subject: What are the "Yellowed Pages"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've seen a couple of references to the "Yellowed Pages." What is this publication? Thanks. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention San Diego, California USA ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:53:50 -0500 From: Rosemary To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01BD93F2.65B0DBA0@houasc44-160.flash.net> Subject: RE: Source Questions response Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD93F2.65B87CC0" David, thank you for setting up some standards for sources. I'm a "newbie" at genealogy, but I've learned that sources are really what it's all about - otherwise, it's guesswork, speculation, and/or rumor. The sources will help all of us with our research. Thanks again, Rosemary Lyons Carraway swanson@flash.net -----Original Message----- From: David Lawrence [SMTP:DavidL2@home.com] Sent: Monday, June 08, 1998 11:37 PM To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Source Questions I've quite a number of specific questions about the sources of the information that has been posted to the list and then to the John Lyons WWW site. I'd like to ask a few questions each day and add the answers to the WWW site. There may be more than one source for each fact. Lets work on selecting the best sources to document what we post. Very few WWW sites are careful about listing a source of the information posted. Almost none list sources that include full information in a consistent way. I hope that you will not think me too picky. Although it is probably best to list primary sources for our information, for much of it we will probably have secondary sources like Hebert's books. If someone has actually seen the original record I'd like to post "verified by ...." Otherwise we should list the book and author that pointed us to the record(s). I think that we should also point out where we find errors, conflicts, or inconsistencies. For each of the following facts I'd like the full source listed without abbreviations. For example: D.J. Hebert. Southwest Louisiana Records: Church and Civil Records, Vol. 2 (Eunice, LA: Hebert Publications, 1974), p. 811, citing: Lafayette Parish (Louisiana) Records, Marriage #47, 1829. Author Full title of the book Volume number Publication Place Publisher Page number If the book is citing another record, what exactly does it cite? Here is the information about John Sr. for which we should have full sources: John Lyons birth date ca 1750 "Records state that he is 'of Georgia'" what records? (Not that Georgia is his birth place but we should have a source for this statement. What are the _other_ birthplace possibilities and the sources for each?) Married Nancy Anna Ahart ca. 1776 He (Juan de Lion an inhabitant of Pensacola) petitioned for a land concession 80 by 40 arpents at the mouth of Bayou Vermilion on the right bank descending and the last high land on the bayou to form a vacherie and to make oak timber for the construction of boats on 4 Mar 1790. (This was posted with the source: "Record Group P85-190 at Louisiana State Archives," La Raconteur 15-6 (1995). Was this in an article? What was the title of the article? Who was the author? What were the beginning and ending pages of the article? 15-6? What was the volume number of the issue? What was the issue number? What month was the issue published? Married Agnes Berwick 30 Nov 1829 (where did the marriage take place?) Died ca 1834 in St. Landry Parish, LA I'll enter the information if you will supply it. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention San Diego, California USA X-Message: #5 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:06:39 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980610070639.00856100@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: What are the "Yellowed Pages"? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yellowed Pages is the qty of the gen soc in the Beaumont/Pt Arthur area. I am not positive exactly where the soc is. There are lots of folks who moved over there (and beyond) and so they have lots of info about folks from sw LA. Jan At 06:33 PM 6/9/1998 -0700, you wrote: >I've seen a couple of references to the "Yellowed Pages." What is this >publication? > >Thanks. > >David >-- >David Lawrence >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) >California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention >San Diego, California USA > > > ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:46:34 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980610094634.0084d5f0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Mailing list archived Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all. I have put some of the messages into the Archives. url is at http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/lagniappe/lists/lyons981.txt David you can link to this file. Right now it is 63 K. When it reaches about 100K I will start a new one. I am still putting the early messages in. I may not have them all, but I have most of them. This was kind of an afterthought when Val discovered that the list was "not exactly" archived elsewhere. These messages will be searchable through the LaGenWeb Archives search engine, so folks looking for LYONS will easily find it. Jan ************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 17 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Mailing list archived [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #2 Re: Mailing list archived ["Walter N. Langham, Jr." ] #6 Re: John Jr. ["KellyT" ] #7 Lyons in Ouachita Pr. [Jan Craven ] #8 Re: Lyons in Ouachita Pr. ["Walter N. Langham, Jr." Subject: Re: Mailing list archived Thanks Jan! I know the newbies to the list will certainly appreciate that. We're just gonna have to put you and David on the payroll...... On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:46:34 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >Hi all. >I have put some of the messages into the Archives. >url is at >http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/lagniappe/lists/lyons981.txt > >Jan > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:50:56 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000501bd94b1$7811da00$9e9186d0@default> Subject: Re: Mailing list archived Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These messages are also archived on the rootsweb mailing list interactive search at http://searchres.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Hope I got this right....... Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:24:46 -0700 From: Wayne Allen Linebarger To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-id: <357EF998.B2ED1551@mailbox.SLAC.stanford.edu> Subject: Re: Roll Call Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type=54455854; x-mac-creator=4D4F5353 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To keep up the tradition of the roll call this is my simple genealogy. Michael Lyons - Mary "Poly" Hays Sarah "Sally" Lyons - Richard West John Jefferson West - Zealia Guidry Aureliano R. West - Laura Eliza Odell/Odel Mary Elizabeth West - Nichlaus N. Atchley Wayne Allen Linebarger ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:11:18 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980610.182223.3246.1.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Mailing list archived Thanks Jan! I know the newbies to the list will certainly appreciate that. We're just gonna have to put you and David on the payroll...... On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:46:34 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >Hi all. >I have put some of the messages into the Archives. >url is at >http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/lagniappe/lists/lyons981.txt > >Jan > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:04:32 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980610185935.0070a120@mail> Subject: Subject line format for archived messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Now that all of our messages are archived it is important to try to use as clear a subject header as possible. When someone searches the archive they will see a list of message subject headers. If the subject is clear. The reader will know exactly what messages to read. If not, either some messages will be missed or every message will have to be read. Just a suggestion. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention San Diego, California USA ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:05:52 -0500 From: "KellyT" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001401bd9492$068bc040$a1b22399@kt-p2-300> Subject: Re: John Jr. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Barbara, Did you happen to find anything else on the Wigley-LYONS connection at the library? My sister's mother-in-law sent me some info that she had: Robert and Jacob Wigley were the only recorded sons of Joab Wigley and Ruthie Ellsberry (married 02 December 1816 in Wilkinson Co, Miss) She has Robert born 1815 and Jacob born 1823. She has that on March 11, 1817 Joab patented 160 acreas of land, SW Quarter of Section 22, Twnship 2 N, Range 6 E, Amite County. She told my sister something about the Wigleys being in Monroe, LA. Do you know if any of the Lyons were in Monroe? .......Talk to ya later........Jennifer and Kelly T-----Original Message----- From: Walter N. Langham, Jr. To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 8:51 PM Subject: Re: John Jr. >Kelly, >I am not sure who this Samuel is. He could be the father of John Sr. I have >just checked the dates on the four Samuels that I have listed. None of the >others are old enough to have bought or sold land in 1797. This may be an >unrelated Samuel but since John Sr. is there (Mississippi Territory) in the >same time frame I think it is most likely that this is our Samuel. I will >look for more information Tuesday at the library. >Barbara > > ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 05:57:08 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980611055708.0084bbe0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Lyons in Ouachita Pr. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Jenn and Barb.(and all) I know that some of our cousins made it as far north as Rapides Parish. That would be the Alexandria area. There were also some in Vernon and Beauregard. LV may be able to shed some light on this. But I have no record of any making it that far north. In fact I don't have any record or OUR John or John Jr. having land in the Mississippi territory once the family came to LA. and we know that was before 1801 (not looking that date up, but it is close) when John bought land from the Indians. Not it is an outside chance that the Samuel in MS was a brother of John Sr, but that is pure speculation. Samuel the son was not born until 1784, so it is HIGHLY unlikely that it was him and John Jr in 1783. Even Michael who sometimes signed his name John would have been 23 in 1800 and certainly old enough to buy and sell land anywhere was here is St. Landry parish. I have always wondered about old Samuel only having one son! Surely there were more! Maybe this is one of the lost tribes! Just some thoughts, Jan At 12:05 PM 6/10/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Barbara, Did you happen to find anything else on the Wigley-LYONS >connection at the library? My sister's mother-in-law sent me some info that >she had: Robert and Jacob Wigley were the only recorded sons of Joab Wigley >and Ruthie Ellsberry (married 02 December 1816 in Wilkinson Co, Miss) She >has Robert born 1815 and Jacob born 1823. She has that on March 11, 1817 >Joab patented 160 acreas of land, SW Quarter of Section 22, Twnship 2 N, >Range 6 E, Amite County. She told my sister something about the Wigleys >being in Monroe, LA. Do you know if any of the Lyons were in Monroe? >.......Talk to ya later........Jennifer and Kelly T-----Original >Message----- >From: Walter N. Langham, Jr. >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 8:51 PM >Subject: Re: John Jr. > > >>Kelly, >>I am not sure who this Samuel is. He could be the father of John Sr. I >have >>just checked the dates on the four Samuels that I have listed. None of the >>others are old enough to have bought or sold land in 1797. This may be an >>unrelated Samuel but since John Sr. is there (Mississippi Territory) in the >>same time frame I think it is most likely that this is our Samuel. I will >>look for more information Tuesday at the library. >>Barbara >> >> > > > ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:11:12 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000501bd953a$69170500$8f9086d0@default> Subject: Re: Lyons in Ouachita Pr. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kelly, after looking at all the dates I have I think these are probably not part of this :Lyons group. I haven't looked at the Wigleys but will next trip to library. I will have to do more looking at the records. Barbara ************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 19 Today's Topics: #1 Lyons Heb. vol 3 [Jan Craven ] #2 How to get the records. [Jan Craven ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:14:30 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980612161430.0085ca40@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Lyons Heb. vol 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Volume 3: LYONS, Amelia m. 6 Feb. 1838 William McCLELAND (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar., #20 LYONS, Andre (Gabriel & Louise JOHNSON)b. 6 May 1839 (GC Ch.,: V.1, p.173) LYONS, Charlotte (Jacob & Julienne JOHNSON)b. 19 Aub. 1835 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 126) LYONS, Crawford m. 27 Jan 1836 Azelie JOHNSON (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #2) LYONS, Crawford (Gabriel & Melite HAISE) m. 9 Feb 1836 Azelie JOHNSON (GC Ch., V.1, p. 111) LYONS, Elizabeth m. Edward MERRIMAN Succ. Dated 16 June 1834 (Laf. Ct. Hse.:Succ.# 273) LYONS, Ellen (William & Hetty HAYES) m. 10 Apr 1832 Claiborne ANDRUS (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #20) LYONS, Elvira (William & Tabithay FOREMAN) m. 21 Jan 1840 Dosite BROUSSARD (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #6) LYONS, Forman m. 9 Oct 1834 Felicite BILES, Wid WOODLAND (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #64) LYONS, Forman Succ. Dated 27 Aug 1838 (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Succ. #896 1/2) LYONS, Gabriel fils (Gabriel & Louisa JOHNSON b. 15 Nov. 1834 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 119) LYONS, Gabriel (Gabriel & Nellie HAISE both of Plaquemine) m. 21 Jan 1834 Louise JOHNSON (GC Ch., V.1, p. 96) LYONS, Gabriel Jr. m. 11 Jan 1834 Louisa JOHNSON (Opel Ct. Hse.: Mar. #6) LYONS, Isaac Montgomery Estate dated 2 March 1838 NOTE: he was a surgeon general in the army of the Republic of Texas. Also filed in NO in 1837, LSAR: Opel.:1838) LYONS, Isaac Montgomery Succ. Dated May 1837 (Opel. Ct. Hse. Succ #805) LYONS, Jacob (Jacob & Julie JOHNSON) b. 8 Oct 1836 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 135) LYONS, Jacob (Gabriel & Nellie HAIES) m. 11 Nov. 1834 Julienne JOHNSON (GC Ch., V.1, p. 99) LYONS, Jacob m. 31 Oct 1834 Juliann Johnson (Opel Ct. Hse.: Mar. #69) LYONS, James Littleton (John & Rebecca KILLEREESE or KILCHRIST) b. 13 April 1833 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 160) LYONS, Joanna (William) m. 11 Aug 1834 David HARMON (Opel Ct. Hse.: Mar. #45) LYONS, John Succ, dated 26 May 1836 (Laf. Ct. Hse.: Succ. #320) LYONS, John m. Rebecca GILCHRIST In Succ. Of Rebecca GILCHIRST dated 2 May 1840 Opel. Ct. Hse.:Succ # 963) LYONS, John (Gabriel & Louise JOHNSON) b. 25 Aug 1834 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 152) LYONS, John Sr. Children: Michael; Gabriel; Elizabeth m. Thomas HAYES; Samuel & William. Succ. Dated 3 Sep 1834 (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Succ. #676) LYONS, Jospeh m. 21 Oct 1834 Mary Ann GUIDRY (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar # 67) LYONS, Joseph m. 3 Dec 1839 Ortence EBERT (Frank. Ct. Hse.: Mar., V.3, # 137) LYONS, Joseph Jefferson (Crawford & Mary Azelie JOHNSON) b 4 Nov 1840 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 179) LYONS, Margaret (William & Haibalky [sic] HARMON) b. 30 Dec 1832 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 112) LYONS, Marie (Gabriel & Louise JOHNSON) b. 29 Jan 1836 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 134) LYONS, Marie Pamelie (Jacob & Julia JOHNSON) b. 18 Oct. 1838 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 169) LYONS, Matilda (Gabriel Sr.) m. 2 Dec. 1839 Lemuel ANDRUS (Opel.Ct.Hse. Mar. Q-46) LYONS, Matilda m. Lemuel ANDRUS Succ. Dated Jan 1839 (Opel. Ct. Hse. Succ. #1399) LYONS, Michael m. 1 April 1834 - Methodist Episcopal Church Susan AIKLY, Wid of John REEVES (Laf. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #97) LYONS, Nancy Rohanna (John & Rebecca KILEREESE or KILCHRIST) b. 14 April 1836 (GC Ch.: v. 1, p. 160) LYONS, Raphael (Crawford & Areline JOHNSON) b. 3 April 1839 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 174) LYONS, Rufus (Jacob & Julie JOHNSON) b. 20 April 1840 (GC Ch., V.1, p. 174) LYONS, Samuel wid. Tabitha HAYES Children: Thomas; David; Madison; Levinia; Elizabeth; Tabitha; Ahart; Seth. Succ. dated July 1837 (Opel. Ct. Hse. Succ. #815) LYONS, Thomas (Samuel & Tabitha HAYES) m. 11 Nov. 1834 Margaret HARMON (Opel.Ct.Hse. Mar. #78) LYONS, Vinian m. 13 April 1838 Lessin ANDRUS (Opel. Ct. Hse. Mar. #46) ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:12:42 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980612181242.00857e10@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: How to get the records. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you need more information, just let me know. Jan Here is the code to the abbrev. in Hebert: GC Ch. St. Charles Borromeo Church; PO Drawer A. Grand Coteau, LA 70541 Laf. Ct. Hse. Lafayette Parish Court House, Lafayette LA [this is what is in Hebert's book] Laf. Ch. St. John's Cathedral - PO Box 2386 - Lafayette, LA 70501 LSAR Louisiana State Archives and Records. Many of the St. Landry colonial records are located here as well as records of many other civil parishes. There is a link to the state archives in the LaGenWeb Archives on the Confed. pension app. page. Opel Ct Hse St. Landry Parish Court House. PO Box 750 Opelousas, LA 70570 Opel. Ch. St. Landry Catholic Church; 900 Union St. Opelousas, LA 70570 SM Ch. St Martin of Tours Catholic Church; PO Box 10 St Martinville, LA 70582 *********************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: #1 Lyons N Hebert [Jan Craven ] #2 Left out 2C [Jan Craven ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:49:23 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980613134923.00849180@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Lyons N Hebert Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Folks, this is all I'll send. I don't own any more of his books. Our library does have a complete set and if anyone would like a lookup, I'll be glad to do that for you the next time I go to the lib. You MUST have a date for me, though. There are 210 of these volumes and it would be too much of a job for me to undertake looking in all of them! Jan VOL 4. LYONS, Aborn (d. Michael) m. 15 March 1841 Elizabeth Ann REEVES Laf.Ct.Hse.:Mar.#165 LYONS, Amelie (Crawford & Azelie JOHNSON) b. 5 July 1845 (GC.Ch.:v.1,p.240) LYONS, Clara (Joseph & Hortance HEBERT) b. 19 Oct 1847 NI Ch.: v. 1, p. 116) *This is St.Peter's Catholic church, 108 East St. Peter Street, New Iberia LA. LYONS, Constance (Jacob and Julia JOHNSON) b. 10 Feb. 1841 (GC.Ch.:v.1,p.205) LYONS, Coraly (Gabriel & Louisa JOHNSON) b. 1 May 1842 (GC.Ch.:v.1,p.206) LYONS, Elisa (Crawford & Azelie JOHNSON) b. 6 Nov 1843 (GC.Ch.:v.1,p.217) LYONS, Elizabeth m. 10 Jan 1842 Ralph ROBINSON (Opel. Ct. Hse. Mar. #31) LYONS, Esther (John & Rebecca GILCHRIST) m. 11 Jan 1844 John C. Moore (Opel. Ct. Hse. Mar. #95) LYONS, Eveline bt. 18 Jan 1873 at age 27 years, (Washington Ch.: Vol 1, p. 73) LYONS, Gabriel d. 10 Sep 1843 m. Nancy BURLEIGH Heirs: Gabriel Jr. & William. Succ. Dated 25 Oct 1843. ((Opel. Ct. Hse. Succ. #1079) LYONS, John m. 17 Oct 1845 Brigitte Adela FOHEY (Opel. Ct. Hse. Mar. #265) LYONS, Joseph (Joseph & Hortance HEBERT) b. 17 April 1841 (NI Ch: v. 1, p. 24) LYONS, Joseph (Joseph & Constance LEBLANC) m. 24 May 1841 Hortance HEBERT (NI Ch: v. 1, p. 27) LYONS, Lydia m. 10 Nov. 1847 Egbert HAYES (Opel. Ct. Hse. Mar. #483) LYONS, Madison m. 3 Mar 1842 Celestin SLOAN (Opel. Ct. Hse. Mar. #14) LYONS, Martha (d. Michel) m. 16 Feb 1841 Johnson MOSS of Calcasieu Parish. (Laf.Ct.Hse.: Mar. # 164) LYONS, Mary (Daniel) m. 16 Jan. 1843 James SHAW (Opel. Ct. Hse. Mar. #15) LYONS, Mary Elizabeth (John) b. 1 Sep 1846 (Opel.Ch.:v.4, p.382) LYONS, Melissa A. (John) m. 26 May 1845 William M. MALEY (Opel. Ct. Hse. Mar. #226) LYONS, Michael Succ. Dated 22 March 1841 (Laf. Ct. Hse.: Succ. # 430 «) LYONS, Michael Estate dated 12 Aug 1841 (LSAR: Opel: 1841) LYONS, Octava (Jaiole & Julienne JOHNSON) b. 26 March 1843 (GC.Ch.:v.1,p.217) LYONS, Tabitha m. 16 Dec 1845 Joseph YOUNG (Opel.Ct.Hse. Mar. #285) LYONS, Vany Ann m. Jesse Andrus Children: David Jaspar. Succ. Dated 28 Feb 1843. (Opel. Ct. Hse. Succ. #1049) LYONS, Zeale Ann (John) m. 2 Dec 1844 Isaac McCLELAND (Opel. Ct. Hse. Mar. #168) ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:09:39 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980613150939.008634f0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Left out 2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I skipped 2C.BLUSH!! I have combined all of these in one file in my wd. processor and if you want a compilation of these postings, let me know and I'll send it to you individually. Jan Here is Vol 2-C p. 516-517 LYONS, Abel (Michael & Mary HAYS) m. 9 July 1829 Mary Ann BRYAN (Laf.Ct.Hse.:Mar.#49) LYONS, David m. Becky MERRIMAN Succ. dated April 1826 (Opel.Ct.Hse.: Succ. #393) LYONS, David m. Rebecca MERRIMAN Succ. Dated 28 Aug. 1829 (Laf.Ct.Hse.: succ.#164) LYONS, David (John & Rebecca ANDRUS) b. in 1827, bt. 19 Oct 1847 Spons: Lucien ARCENEAUX. Fr F. SAUTOIS (GC Ch.: v.1, p.267) LYONS, John (John & Nancy AHART) m. 19 June 1826 Rebecca GILCHRIST (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar.#48) LYONS, John (John & Rachel FOREMAN) m. 6 Sept. 1827 Amanda STANTON of Attakapas (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. # 55) LYONS, John Sr. m. 30 Nov 1829 Agnes BERWICK wid. PRATHER (Opel. Ct. Hse.: Mar. # 73) LYONS, Michael m 9 Sept. 1828 Eleonor BERWICK wid. of William NEWMAN (Laf.Ct.Hse.: Mar. # 41) LYONS, Michael m. Marie HAYS In Succ. of Marie HAYS dated 17 July 1827 (Laf.Ct.Hse.: succ.#111) LYONS, Samuel Jr. (John Jr. & Mary FOREMAN) m. 13 April 1830 Adelaide STANTON (Opel.Ct.Hse.: Mar.#19) LYONS, Susanne Charlotte (William & Thabaity [Tabitha] HARMANN b. 15 Oct 1830, bt 16 Nov. 1833 Spons: Treville GUIDRY & Adelaide BERNARD. Fr. Jean ROSTI GC Ch. :v.1,p.112) LYONS, William m. Hetty HAYES Children: Ellen; Joan; Tabitha; Elvina; Elizabeth; Succ dated 21 Feb 1829 (Opel Ct Hse: Succ # 483) LYONS, William (John & Nancy LYONS) m. 22 Sept. 1829 Tabitha HARMAN (Opel.Ct.Hse.: Mar.#19) LYONS, William - Succ dated 25 Feb. 1828 (Frank. Ct. Hse.: Succ. # 160 ************************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 21 Today's Topics: #1 John Lyons WWW Links [David Lawrence ] #2 Re: John Lyons WWW Links [David Lawrence ] #3 Re: John Lyons WWW Links [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #4 Re: Left out 2C [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #5 (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #6 Message from VALERIE CUNDY-Listown [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #7 For help with list problems [David Lawrence ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:56:24 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980614065623.006d41b4@mail> Subject: John Lyons WWW Links Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jan and Valerie had a great idea to add the to WWW site a page of links to useful links. I've done it. You can view this new page at: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_links.htm This page contains links to the JohnLyons-L archives (both full text and searchable), the GenWeb searchable archives (for census records, cemetery abstractions, obituaries, etc.), and a site from which to download images of the ACTUAL LAND PATENT DOCUMENTS granted to members of the Lyons family. Give me your suggestions for other links. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention San Diego, California USA ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:19:55 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980614091954.006f7a44@mail> Subject: Re: John Lyons WWW Links Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I should have said: Jan and Valerie had a great idea to add the to WWW site a page of links to useful SITES. I've done it. You can view this new page at: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_links.htm David -- David Lawrence DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:45:57 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980614.174335.3214.0.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: John Lyons WWW Links Thanks for all your hard work David, I know everyone of this list appreciates what you doing. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Sun, 14 Jun 1998 06:56:24 -0700 David Lawrence writes: >Jan and Valerie had a great idea to add the to WWW site a page of >links to >useful links. I've done it. You can view this new page at: > >http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_links.htm > >This page contains links to the JohnLyons-L archives (both full text >and >searchable), the GenWeb searchable archives (for census records, >cemetery >abstractions, obituaries, etc.), and a site from which to download >images >of the ACTUAL LAND PATENT DOCUMENTS granted to members of the Lyons >family. > Give me your suggestions for other links. > >David >-- >David Lawrence >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) >California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention >San Diego, California USA > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:49:59 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980614.180758.3214.3.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Left out 2C Jan, I just wanted to say THANK YOU TOO....for all the hard work you have done providing this information to the list. I know it has been helpful to those folks that otherwise wouldn't have access to it. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:09:39 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >I skipped 2C.BLUSH!! >I have combined all of these in one file in my wd. processor and if >you >want a compilation of these postings, let me know and I'll send it >to you individually. Jan > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:55:45 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980614.180758.3214.4.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBERS As of Sunday, June 14th. The following have joined the list. 19 and growing!!!!! 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawerence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie *17. TIM LYONS *18. JO ANNE PARNAUD *19. RUBY DUSEK WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 5 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Wayne Linebarger Ti m Lyons JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane GABRIEL ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright DAVID David Lawerence Lynn King ___________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 18:07:56 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980614.180758.3214.5.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Message from VALERIE CUNDY-Listowner I happy to see that the list is growing so quickly, I just know that we will have a lot of fun in discussing this family and helping each other to connect their lines. We've tried to resolve some problems with both John, Sr. and Michael with little results. So I'm thinking maybe we should move on down the line and come back to them later. Maybe we could open things back up with anyone out there posting questions they might have on any of the children of John and Nancy. Be sure to use the child's name in the subject line so we can cut down on confusion. I'm not exactly sure what the best way is too handle this, so if anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to post them to the list or myself directly. We're all in this together to accomplish the same thing. This is YOUR list, I'm just here to help if and when I can. With all that said, I will be unavailable for the next couple of weeks, David Lawerence will take care of any problems that he can if posted to the list or himself directly while I'm gone. So ya'll have fun and solve all those problems while I'm gone :) Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:16:21 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980614151620.006a9d30@mail> Subject: For help with list problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:07 PM 6/14/98 -0400, Valerie L. Cundy wrote: >With all that said, I will be unavailable for the next couple of weeks, >David Lawrence will take care of any problems that he can if posted to >the list or himself directly while I'm gone. Please make note of my address (listed below). If you think that you are having a problem with the JohnLyons-L, send me an e-mail. I can execute system commands to the list management software but I need to hear from you directly because the error messages that warn of possible problems go to Valerie. Valerie and I are working on a way to make this more proactive. Until then, I'll react to any requests or notices that you send me. David -- David Lawrence DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ***************************************************************************