JOHN LYONS Mailing List. Part 2, Beginning w/ messages 6/15/98 Louisiana. Archived by Jan Craven ************************************************ Submitted to the LAGenWeb Archives http:/www.usgwarchives.net/la/lafiles.htm ************************************************ Copyright. All rights reserved. http://www.usgwarchives.net/copyright.htm ************************************************ TIPS FOR SEARCHING RECORDS ON THE INTERNET Netscape & Ms Explorer users: If searching for a particular surname, locality or date while going through the records in the archives or anywhere....try these few steps: 1. Go to the top of the report you are searching. 2. Click on EDIT at the top of your screen. 3. Next click on FIND in the edit menu. 4. When the square pops up, enter what you are looking for in the FIND WHAT ___________blank. 5. Click on DIRECTION __DOWN. 6. And last click on FIND NEXT and continue to click on FIND NEXT until you reach the end of the report. This should highlight the item that you indicated in "find what" every place it appears in the report. You must continue to click on FIND NEXT till you reach the end of the report to see all of the locations of the item indicated. --------------------------------------------------------------------- JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 22 Today's Topics: #1 Lyons Connecton ["Ruby Dusek" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:50:13 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002701bd9864$866724a0$5ce590d1@rdusek> Subject: Lyons Connecton Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BD983A.9C5B5BC0" My name is Ruby Vigneaux Dusek. I live in Houston. This is how I connect to John Lyons: Samuel LYONS of Germany and Agnes Judith [ERINXMAN?] John LYONS Sr and Nancy AHART Michael LYONS and Mary "Polly" Hayes Richard WEST and Sarah "Sally" LYONS Arthur Joseph GIBSON and Elizabeth WEST Zachariah GRIFFIN and Marie Louise Amilda GIBSON ******************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 23 Today's Topics: #1 Land Patents with signatures [David Lawrence ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:21:28 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980617062128.0071ebc8@mail> Subject: Land Patents with signatures Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A couple of days ago I pointed everyone to a new page on the WWW site that includes a link to the BLM WWW site. This site has images of the actual land patent document that transfers title from the federal government to our ancestors. In many cases you can see and download an actual image of the signature of the Lyons who received the patent. At the same time I announced this, I asked for suggestions about other sites that may prove interesting. Does anyone have any suggestions? David -- David Lawrence DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ********************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 24 Today's Topics: #1 Lyons [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #2 Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): GOOD AFTERN [Chickamaw@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:30:53 -0500 From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199806191630.JAA23593@mailtod-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Lyons Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi I am Joy Moore & here is my line: Samuel Lyons John Lyons Michael Lyons Gabriel Lyons Emily Lyons Bennet Lyons Edna Estelle Lyons Arledge Willie Brooks Arledge Davis Hair I remember family reunions at Grannies (Edna's) Sunday dinners at Aunt Nora's & Uncle Leonards, eating watermelon at Uncle Wilfords with Grandpa Lyons & playing cowboy & Indians with Allen, Martha, Mary Alice & my bro Lyn Del Hope I can add to Group am glad to be connected again after so many years JOY MOORE ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:02:20 EDT From: Chickamaw@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8b615dbb.358b0a1d@aol.com> Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): GOOD AFTERNOON! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My name is Elizabeth (Betty) Singleton (m. George Gaiennie) and I am descended from John Lyons in this way: John Lyons, Sr., and Anna Ahart Samuel Lyons and Tabitha Hayes Madison Lyons and Celestine Sloan Lydia A. Lyons and Isaac Erwin Clark Linus Bailey Clark and Julia Frances Clark (my grandparents). ************************************************************************ JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 25 Today's Topics: #1 JM Jordan Genealogy Files [David Lawrence ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:37:29 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980620133728.00683c0c@mail> Subject: JM Jordan Genealogy Files Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In late May Barbara Langham started a discussion about Agnes Judah that listed her maiden name as Erinxman and that her parents were Barinker Ernixman and Rebecca. This information came from a chart in the "Yellowed Pages", 1986 Vol. 16 #2 pages 60-61. The only other information about her parents is that her father came to Ga. in 1737. The chart was compiled by Joseph M. Jordan of Beaumont. I used a PhoneDisk and an internet Four11 search to find all of the Joseph Jordans and JM Jordans in the region. I've now heard from all of them. None of them know of the JM Jordan who is interested in genealogy or history. I've written to the South East texas Genealogy and Historical Society, the publishers of the Yellowed Pages to ask that someone forward my request to Mr. Jordan or give me any info on how to locate him or his records. I've not yet had a reply. I'll keep trying. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu -- (no final e in Lawrence) California Center for Childhood Injury Prevention San Diego, California USA ********************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 26 Today's Topics: #1 Lyons connection [FFWP26A@prodigy.com (MRS JO ANNE P] #2 Nancy Ahart [FFWP26A@prodigy.com (MRS JO ANNE P] #3 Re: Nancy Ahart [David Lawrence ] #4 FWD: Message from Donna Akehurst [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #5 forwarded letter [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #6 J. W. Lyons of Plaquemine Burlee [Jan Craven ] #7 Re: J. W. Lyons of Plaquemine Burl [Jan Craven ] #8 Re: Lyons connection [Mhamm6102@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:44:41, -0500 From: FFWP26A@prodigy.com (MRS JO ANNE P ARNAUD) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199806221144.HAA14618@mime3.prodigy.com> Subject: Lyons connection Hi Cousins I am Jo Anne Parrott Arnaud and here are my links to John Lyons Sr. John Lyons, Sr. Samuel Lyons Tabitha Lyons m. Joseph Baptist Young (Lejeune) John Westley Young m. Elizabeth Steen Exes Young m William Love Edria Love m. Reese Larry Parrot ( my parents) Good hunting Jo Anne ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:55:58, -0500 From: FFWP26A@prodigy.com (MRS JO ANNE P ARNAUD) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199806221155.HAA14762@mime3.prodigy.com> Subject: Nancy Ahart Hi Cousins I am interested in Nancy Ahart's parents, etc. Can anyone help. Thanks Jo Anne ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:08:41 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980622070840.0070826c@mail> Subject: Re: Nancy Ahart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:55 AM 6/22/98 -0500, MRS JO ANNE P ARNAUD wrote: >I am interested in Nancy Ahart's parents, etc. > Jo Anne, Welcome to the list. During the first week of this list we discussed this a little but became sidetracked talking about the various names that she has been given by priests, records clerks, and creative genealogists (Heart, Hartz, Heat, Erhardt, Ehrhardt, Airhart, etc.). There are about 200 Ahart family listings in the WWW searchable telephone directories so Ahart is as likely as any. Years ago, I was convinced by a researcher that Ann was really an Erhardt because of her likely homeland (the area of the moving Germany-France border). I did some looking and reached a dead end. Somehow, that idea "stuck". Now, I'm having to rethink Nancy Ana. It sure would be useful if everyone would post any clues that they have found about Nancy's early life, homeland, and parents. There are two researchers who have Ahart listings in Gendex. The earliest dates were 1823 and 1850s. Both were Virginia locations. I just e-mailed the researchers to see if they have any suggestions for Ahart research in general. David -- David Lawrence DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:35:27 -0500 From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199806221735.KAA01298@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: FWD: Message from Donna Akehurst Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-94848208-6215 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This came to me from another group I am working with Unfortunately they are on vacation till June 22 but they may be a help with searches JOY MOOREX-Authentication-Warning: glock.tx3.com: majordom set sender to owner-arledge using -f Message-ID: <35885E82.DA816BF5@flash.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:25:38 -0600 From: Clay Reply-To: mtngoat@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: arledge@tx3.com Subject: FWD: Message from Donna Akehurst References: <199806171913.MAA22086@glock.tx3.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-arledge@glock.tx3.com Precedence: bulk > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:08:35 -0400 > To: arledge@glock.tx3.com > From: "Donna V. Akehurst" > Subject: Free searches for records online. > > Didn't know if this addy might be able to help some folks. It came from > one of the Triad lists to which I subscribe. > > "I found this website that does free searches on marriage liscenes > through a limited number of CD Rom's which they > own. Don't know if you all know about it but if not the url is: > Ancestral Findings -Marriage Records" > > They also have census, birth, death, land, ship passenger lists, military > and state records. > > http://web.mountain.net/~wfmoney/cd/page05.htm > > http://www.angelfire.com/va/tenniris - Main homepage > http://www.angelfire.com/va/tenniris/bparnt.html - Searching Tips & Links > online > http://www.angelfire.com/va/tenniris/ST.html - Death, Marriage, Divorce, > State Reunion Registries > http://www.angelfire.com/tn/adoptees/support.html - State Support Groups & > Mailing lists X-Message: #5 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:47:03 -0500 From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199806221747.KAA03880@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: forwarded letter Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sorry I meant to edit that letter but hit wrong key Will get hang of it yet but the address of htt mountain money is the one They limit to 2 names per day on 1 e~mail free JOY MOORE ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:55:28 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980622135528.0087bd30@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: J. W. Lyons of Plaquemine Burlee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Go to this url: It's in the La Archives, but I haven't put a link to it from any table of contents yet....still working on it. http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/lagniappe/1891.html See the third line about middle of the row picture # 14. Our Cousin!!! There are other interesting folks in that picture too. Have fun. Jan ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:46:47 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980622164647.00855910@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: J. W. Lyons of Plaquemine Burlee Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi. I really don't know the relation. I just assumed that he was because he was a LYONS from Plaquemine Brulee. and that is where Big Papa John first settled. I have a number of Lyons men in my database with names starting with a J. but none with the second initial or name beginning with a W. How about it Lyons Hunters? Can anyone solve this mystery and tell us who this J. W. is????/ Jan At 03:12 PM 6/22/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Jan, > Can you help me with the relationship between my Ggrandmother, Rose >Lyons, and your J. W. Lyons. I don't show him as a brother of Rose. I >would have doubted my kin to him since he is bald, but then again, by >younger brother is thinning rapidly.. ;-) > >harold lawrence, grandson of Catherine Euphemie Bagley >-----Original Message----- >From: Jan Craven >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 1:56 PM >Subject: J. W. Lyons of Plaquemine Burlee > > >>Go to this url: It's in the La Archives, but I haven't put a link to it >>from any >>table of contents yet....still working on it. >>http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/lagniappe/1891.html >>See the third line about middle of the row picture # 14. >>Our Cousin!!! >>There are other interesting folks in that picture too. >>Have fun. >>Jan >> > > > ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:08:31 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4cfb55f5.358ee3f0@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lyons connection Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Joanne, welcome to the list. Somewhere in my files there may be the parentage of Nancy Anne Ahart.will have to search when I have time. I do know that they were living in Va. when John Sr. married Nancy there. I do have two pages on Samuels lineage with Seth being listed as the last child. I descended from THE three Johns, but had some White kinfolks who descended from your Samuel, apparently. Also, an Uncle who married one of the White's. One of Ahart Lyons daughter married a Dr. W.D.White. If you can use the info on Samuels descendants, will be glad to send it to you. Mary at mhamm6102@aol.com **************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 27 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Lyons connection [FFWP26A@prodigy.com (MRS JO ANNE P] #2 LYONS [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:17:28, -0500 From: FFWP26A@prodigy.com (MRS JO ANNE P ARNAUD) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199806231117.HAA11226@mime3.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Lyons connection Thanks for the hint as to where to look for Nancy Ahart. Do you have the parents of John Lyons Sr.? Jo Anne in Acadia Parish ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:56:50 -0500 From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199806231756.KAA01255@mailtod-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: LYONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Looking in Clay co West Virginia marriages of 1800s I found this Samuel Lyons 60 & Leyene O'Bryan 36 m. Aug 15, 1859 Granville Lyons & Mary Ann Payton m. Aug 26, 1869 Connections ????? JOY MOORE ************************************************************************ JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 28 Today's Topics: #1 It still works [David Lawrence ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 07:42:47 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980628074247.0070d358@mail> Subject: It still works Over the last couple of days I've recieved three messages telling me that the JohnLyons-L isn't sending messages. That is _our_ fault for not keeping up the interest. It isn't a problem with the Roots server or your machine. David -- David Lawrence Genealogy Research: dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu DavidL2@home.com Center for Childhood Injury Prevention http://www.aznet.net/~davidl San Diego, California USA ************************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 28 Today's Topics: #1 It still works [David Lawrence ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 07:42:47 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980628074247.0070d358@mail> Subject: It still works Over the last couple of days I've recieved three messages telling me that the JohnLyons-L isn't sending messages. That is _our_ fault for not keeping up the interest. It isn't a problem with the Roots server or your machine. David -- David Lawrence Genealogy Research: dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu DavidL2@home.com Center for Childhood Injury Prevention http://www.aznet.net/~davidl San Diego, California USA ***************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 30 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Message from List Owner: Valer ["David Swanson" ] #5 WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBERS [FFWP26A@prodigy.com (MRS JO ANNE P] #6 Re: Message from List Owner: Valer [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #7 Re: Lyons database [David Lawrence ] #8 Re: Lyons database [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #9 WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #10 My Lyons ancestry ["CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807010233.VAA06913@endeavor.flash.net> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valerie, I know this could be an insurmountable task, but this group may have an interest in pursuing it - how about a "Lyons" database. By that, I mean, everyone could submit as much verifiable data about the "Lyons" name from whereever they have discovered it. In time, anyone could go to this one location and find referenced info. If we come across a Lyons article, document it and send it to the database - if we can't use it, maybe one of our cousins can. We all come across a lot of "Lyons" stuff that doesn't apply to our particular line - but it would only take a minute to document it for the database. Many years from now, this could be the central source for "Lyons" info. ex. Bio. - John L.Lyons, Sugartown p. 168 Southwest Louisiana Bio. & Historical ed. Wm. H. Perrin Gulf Pub 1891: Baton Rouge Claitor's Pub Div, 1971 reprint (found in Lake Charles Historical Library) Just a thought - visualize a "Lyons" octopus Rosemary Lyons Carraway swanson@flash.net ---------- > From: VALERIE L CUNDY > To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy > Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 8:44 AM > > Hello Everyone, > > I've just read the few messages that were posted over the last couple of > weeks and I sit here wondering what we "don't have" to talk about. I > didn't anticipate having this problem when this list was created, so I'm > asking for your suggestions. > > In the beginning, we tried to focus on a generation at a time for the > descendants of John Sr., fill in missing information and solve any > conflicts, it appears that we don't have the sources on this list to > accomplish that, so in efforts to keep this list alive I would like to > here from each and every one of you. What would you like to see posted > on this list? > > I would like to suggest that if you have a snag, "brick wall" or just a > simple question on the branch of the family your working on, post > it......chances are someone out here can help you, and if not, they at > least might be able to point you in the right direction. Maybe you don't > really have any holes to fill in but have a bunch of neat stuff to share, > maybe you have stuff and don't know if someone would be interested or > not, my guess is that if it pertains to LYONS your not waisting your > time...Post it. > > Personally for me I hope that we can help each other with what we need > and in the process build the ancestral chart from John Sr. down and have > it available on the WWW site that David Lawerence has established. > > Then, if we visit the WWW site, we know what we're missing........if you > have information that is documented that is not on the WWW site, you > should send it to David. That site should be our guide to follow, I think > it would also be the best place to share information among us. Much > easier than copying and mailing each one of our pedigree charts to one > another. Maybe David will let us know how to best handle that part. > > I feel like I've been rambling on this morning so I'll quit, let me know > what you think. I've never had a list before and I don't want my first > one to be a flop......post your suggestions, what do you think we need to > do to keep interest up??????? How can "our" list be the best list????? > > I look forward to hearing from you all. > > > Valerie Lyons Cundy > vcundy@juno.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:29:48 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01bda498$1e102240$5a438fd0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have loaded all my genealogy onto Family Tree Maker. I will be happy to send anyone a file which includes my line from John Lyons and Nancy Ahart and I would appreciate receiving the same. harold l lawrence -----Original Message----- From: David Swanson To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 9:34 PM Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy >Valerie, I know this could be an insurmountable task, but this group may >have an interest in pursuing it - how about a "Lyons" database. By that, I >mean, everyone could submit as much verifiable data about the "Lyons" name >from whereever they have discovered it. In time, anyone could go to this >one location and find referenced info. If we come across a Lyons article, >document it and send it to the database - if we can't use it, maybe one of >our cousins can. We all come across a lot of "Lyons" stuff that doesn't >apply to our particular line - but it would only take a minute to document >it for the database. Many years from now, this could be the central source >for "Lyons" info. > >ex. >Bio. - John L.Lyons, Sugartown >p. 168 >Southwest Louisiana Bio. & Historical >ed. Wm. H. Perrin >Gulf Pub 1891: Baton Rouge >Claitor's Pub Div, 1971 reprint >(found in Lake Charles Historical Library) > >Just a thought - visualize a "Lyons" octopus > >Rosemary Lyons Carraway >swanson@flash.net > > ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:01:51 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <16131-3599A69F-6204@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I think a central would work great & I nominate Val & David I have run into Lyons There is a Samuel m. Leyenne OBryan in 1859 Clay co WV marriages & Granville Lyons too Also a few Lyon (no s) in Winn parish Even a few in Ireland but I haven't cheed them yet AIN'T THIS FUN !!!!!!!!!!! JOY ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 22:03:44 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980630220344.00877100@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy Rosemary, (and all.) That Lyons bio is out of copy right. Why don't you type it into an email message and send it to the list. THEN, David could put it on the web site and we can cut and paste it into our own databases in the appropriate spots! Jan At 09:28 PM 6/30/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Valerie, I know this could be an insurmountable task, but this group may >have an interest in pursuing it - how about a "Lyons" database. By that, I >mean, everyone could submit as much verifiable data about the "Lyons" name >from whereever they have discovered it. In time, anyone could go to this >one location and find referenced info. If we come across a Lyons article, >document it and send it to the database - if we can't use it, maybe one of >our cousins can. We all come across a lot of "Lyons" stuff that doesn't >apply to our particular line - but it would only take a minute to document >it for the database. Many years from now, this could be the central source >for "Lyons" info. > >ex. >Bio. - John L.Lyons, Sugartown >p. 168 >Southwest Louisiana Bio. & Historical >ed. Wm. H. Perrin >Gulf Pub 1891: Baton Rouge >Claitor's Pub Div, 1971 reprint >(found in Lake Charles Historical Library) > >Just a thought - visualize a "Lyons" octopus > >Rosemary Lyons Carraway >swanson@flash.net > > > >---------- >> From: VALERIE L CUNDY >> To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy >> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 8:44 AM >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I've just read the few messages that were posted over the last couple of >> weeks and I sit here wondering what we "don't have" to talk about. I >> didn't anticipate having this problem when this list was created, so I'm >> asking for your suggestions. >> >> In the beginning, we tried to focus on a generation at a time for the >> descendants of John Sr., fill in missing information and solve any >> conflicts, it appears that we don't have the sources on this list to >> accomplish that, so in efforts to keep this list alive I would like to >> here from each and every one of you. What would you like to see posted >> on this list? >> >> I would like to suggest that if you have a snag, "brick wall" or just a >> simple question on the branch of the family your working on, post >> it......chances are someone out here can help you, and if not, they at >> least might be able to point you in the right direction. Maybe you don't >> really have any holes to fill in but have a bunch of neat stuff to share, >> maybe you have stuff and don't know if someone would be interested or >> not, my guess is that if it pertains to LYONS your not waisting your >> time...Post it. >> >> Personally for me I hope that we can help each other with what we need >> and in the process build the ancestral chart from John Sr. down and have >> it available on the WWW site that David Lawerence has established. >> >> Then, if we visit the WWW site, we know what we're missing........if you >> have information that is documented that is not on the WWW site, you >> should send it to David. That site should be our guide to follow, I think >> it would also be the best place to share information among us. Much >> easier than copying and mailing each one of our pedigree charts to one >> another. Maybe David will let us know how to best handle that part. >> >> I feel like I've been rambling on this morning so I'll quit, let me know >> what you think. I've never had a list before and I don't want my first >> one to be a flop......post your suggestions, what do you think we need to >> do to keep interest up??????? How can "our" list be the best list????? >> >> I look forward to hearing from you all. >> >> >> Valerie Lyons Cundy >> vcundy@juno.com >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > > > ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 06:24:18, -0500 From: FFWP26A@prodigy.com (MRS JO ANNE P ARNAUD) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807011024.GAA13574@mime3.prodigy.com> Subject: WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBERS Valerie I must mispelled my name. It is Jo-Anne Parrott Arnaud or Jo- Anne Arnaud. Thanks and I am enjoying the list. Jo Anne ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 09:52:44 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980701.100523.3286.26.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:28:27 -0500 "David Swanson" writes: >Valerie, I know this could be an insurmountable task, but this group >may >have an interest in pursuing it - how about a "Lyons" database. By >that, I >mean, everyone could submit as much verifiable data about the "Lyons" >name >from whereever they have discovered it. Are you saying we could send it via email or send it somewhere else? In time, anyone could go to >this >one location and find referenced info. Where would we house this database? If we come across a Lyons >article, >document it and send it to the database - if we can't use it, maybe >one of >our cousins can. We all come across a lot of "Lyons" stuff that >doesn't >apply to our particular line - but it would only take a minute to >document >it for the database. Many years from now, this could be the central >source >for "Lyons" info. > This sounds great and I'm interested in hearing more details about how this would work. Anyone else like this idea? >ex. >Bio. - John L.Lyons, Sugartown >p. 168 >Southwest Louisiana Bio. & Historical >ed. Wm. H. Perrin >Gulf Pub 1891: Baton Rouge >Claitor's Pub Div, 1971 reprint >(found in Lake Charles Historical Library) > >Just a thought - visualize a "Lyons" octopus > >Rosemary Lyons Carraway >swanson@flash.net > > > >---------- >> From: VALERIE L CUNDY >> To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy >> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 8:44 AM >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I've just read the few messages that were posted over the last >couple of >> weeks and I sit here wondering what we "don't have" to talk about. >I >> didn't anticipate having this problem when this list was created, so >I'm >> asking for your suggestions. >> >> In the beginning, we tried to focus on a generation at a time for >the >> descendants of John Sr., fill in missing information and solve any >> conflicts, it appears that we don't have the sources on this list to >> accomplish that, so in efforts to keep this list alive I would like >to >> here from each and every one of you. What would you like to see >posted >> on this list? >> >> I would like to suggest that if you have a snag, "brick wall" or >just a >> simple question on the branch of the family your working on, post >> it......chances are someone out here can help you, and if not, they >at >> least might be able to point you in the right direction. Maybe you >don't >> really have any holes to fill in but have a bunch of neat stuff to >share, >> maybe you have stuff and don't know if someone would be interested >or >> not, my guess is that if it pertains to LYONS your not waisting your >> time...Post it. >> >> Personally for me I hope that we can help each other with what we >need >> and in the process build the ancestral chart from John Sr. down and >have >> it available on the WWW site that David Lawerence has established. >> >> Then, if we visit the WWW site, we know what we're missing........if >you >> have information that is documented that is not on the WWW site, you >> should send it to David. That site should be our guide to follow, I >think >> it would also be the best place to share information among us. Much >> easier than copying and mailing each one of our pedigree charts to >one >> another. Maybe David will let us know how to best handle that part. >> >> I feel like I've been rambling on this morning so I'll quit, let me >know >> what you think. I've never had a list before and I don't want my >first >> one to be a flop......post your suggestions, what do you think we >need to >> do to keep interest up??????? How can "our" list be the best >list????? >> >> I look forward to hearing from you all. >> >> >> Valerie Lyons Cundy >> vcundy@juno.com >> >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 07:23:53 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980701072352.007004cc@mail> Subject: Re: Lyons database At 09:52 AM 7/1/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Are you saying we could send it via email or send it somewhere else? >snip< > >Where would we house this database? > >This sounds great and I'm interested in hearing more details about how >this would work. Anyone else like this idea? > If you send the items to me, I'll place them on the WWW site and then post a message to the list that your material is available. If we post large files to the list it may be an annoyance to some members -- particularly those who may already have access to the material. Send files for posting to: DavidL2@home.com David -- David Lawrence Genealogy Research: dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu DavidL2@home.com Center for Childhood Injury Prevention http://www.aznet.net/~davidl San Diego, California USA ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:52:55 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980701.130319.3286.31.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Lyons database If you send the items to me, I'll place them on the WWW site and then >post >a message to the list that your material is available. If we post >large >files to the list it may be an annoyance to some members -- >particularly >those who may already have access to the material. Do you have the ability to scan information in if it is sent snail mail or would you prefer to have it typed through email? > >Send files for posting to: DavidL2@home.com > >David >-- >David Lawrence Genealogy >Research: >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu DavidL2@home.com >Center for Childhood Injury Prevention http://www.aznet.net/~davidl >San Diego, California USA > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:57:06 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980701.130319.3286.32.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER As of Wednesday, July 1 st. The following have joined the list. 22 and growing!!!!! 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek 20. Joy Moore 21. Harold Lawrence *22. CAROL AUSTIN WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 5 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Ti m Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane GABRIEL ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 12:57:37 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807011950.PAA25618@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> Subject: My Lyons ancestry Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My name is Carol (Robinson) Austin and this is how I connect to John Lyons: John Lyons Sr. and Nancy Ahart Michael Lyons and Mary Hays Elizabeth Francoise (Fanny) Lyons and William Prater Mary Emaline Prater and Marcellus Elmer Hasha Cecelia Rebecca Hasha and Aaron David Shields Carma Luona Shields and Walter Lee Robinson, Sr. Walter Lee Robinson, Jr. and Dorothy Amelia Koontz I am researching the descendants of Emaline Prater and Marcellus Hasha, and hope to connect with someone on that line. Carol Austin cr_austin@prodigy.net ************************************************************************ JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 31 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Lyons database [David Lawrence ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 18:44:40 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980701184439.006decd0@mail> Subject: Re: Lyons database At 12:52 PM 7/1/98 -0400, VALERIE L CUNDY wrote to David Lawrence: >Do you have the ability to scan information in if it is sent snail mail >or would you prefer to have it typed through email? I do have a scanner but scanned images are so large (compared with the same amount of text) that I'd quickly fill up the server space that I've allotted. OCR from photocopies of old books or documents isn't very successful. I already have a page of links and I'd be glad to house some of the documents themselves. (By the way, I do have several links to add. Those of you who have sent me things in the past 8 to 10 days will see the links applied to the Lyons page this weekend. I've recently moved to a new (old) home and between the boxes of our things, we're prepping and painting. Not a lot of time to play with the WWW site.) We should consider the possibility of placing our archived material in the LA GenWeb archives and putting a link to them from our site. They would have more exposure. I could "treat" them so that they contain a link to the Lyons pages and an ad for the JohnLyons-L. Or on my site with our other things is fine. What are the group's thoughts? David -- David Lawrence Genealogy Research: dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu DavidL2@home.com Center for Childhood Injury Prevention http://www.aznet.net/~davidl San Diego, California USA ********************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 32 Today's Topics: #1 WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #2 Lyons ancestors [QFHA43A@prodigy.com ( ROBERT L BRO] #3 Links and New Members Added [David Lawrence ] #4 Lyons Ancestors [Sharon ] #5 Thank You! [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:59:36 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980702.205937.3286.8.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER As of Thursday, July 2 nd. The following have joined the list. 23 and growing!!!!! HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek 20. Joy Moore 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin *23. SHARON SHAW WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 5 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Ti m Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane GABRIEL ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 00:25:50, -0500 From: QFHA43A@prodigy.com ( ROBERT L BROUSSARD) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807030425.AAA19112@mime4.prodigy.com> Subject: Lyons ancestors Here is my decent from John Lyons. John Lyons - Nancy Ahart Samuel Lyons - Tabitha (Latauth) Hays Richard Ahart Lyons - Catherine Perkins Livicy Lyons - Napoleon Broussard Livicy and Napoleon were my grandparents. Bob Broussard ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 22:47:00 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980702224659.0072c12c@mail> Subject: Links and New Members Added I just added several links to the JohnLyons-L Archives and Other Useful Links page at: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm Thank you to all who sent me the suggestions. I also added several new roll call members connections to John. List members: If you haven't posted your "roll call" connection to John Lyons and Nancy Ana, now is a good time to send it in. Since the first day, the Lyons WWW pages have been indexed in Gendex. This week I added indexing in GeneaNet, a major international genealogy index located in The Netherlands. If you are interested, go to the page listed above and click on the GeneaNet button. I also have added the Lyons pages to the GedMatch service. GedMatch accepts Gendex URLs from genealogy web sites, scans each site once or twice a week, and looks for potential matches based upon similar names, dates, and places. When a potential match is found, the researchers are notified. You will find a link to GedMatch on our main page. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 03:19:21 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <359CB029.2581@pacbell.net> Subject: Lyons Ancestors Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is my decent from John Lyons: John Lyons - Nancy Ahart Gabriel Lyons - Nancy Burleigh Mary Serena Lyons - James Stokes Shaw Felix Newman Shaw - Mary Cornelia O'Brien Archie Luke Shaw - Carrie Belle Chalfant O'Brien Chalfant Shaw - Ruth Mae Wolff My parents are the last two names on the list. Sharon Shaw ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 13:42:26 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980703.134227.3286.1.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Thank You! Thanks David for all your hard work. I know everyone on here appreciates you as much as I do for your dedication to this project. I also wanted to update everyone, you've probably already figured it out, but with our latest member Sharon Shaw, we now are only one person away from having at least one descendant from every child of John and Nancy on the list. I think that is very exciting. I feel sure that we will accomplish the task, we only need someone connected through Elizabeth to make it complete. While I'm thinking about it, what are your thougths on sharing our own personal files with each other. I hadn't really thought about it until Harold Lawrence mentioned his interest, and of course I would like to have each and every one of your files just because I can never get enough of this stuff, and I'm not picky, I'll take disks, printouts, etc. But really, what if any would be the best way to share for those interested? What are your thoughts on this? Have a fun and safe FOURTH OF JULY!!!!!!!!! Valerie _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] *************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 33 Today's Topics: #1 GENERATION THREE - David M. Lyons/ ["Lynn & Bill King" ] #3 WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #4 Re: Message from List Owner: Valer ["David Swanson" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <003c01bda6c2$62d90d20$62e290d1@default> Subject: GENERATION THREE - David M. Lyons/Euphemie Petry Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Too soon for Generation III ?? Just received from Ken Dupuy, an historian and writer in Vermilion Parish, the following hand copied articles from Abbeville Meridional: 1. October 17, 1891 - "D. M. Lyons, an old and respected citizen of this parish, died at his residence in Abbeville, on Thursday, October 15 at 12:30 p.m., aged 65 years, 4 months and 23 days. His funeral which took place on Friday, was numerously attended." 2. June 12, 1897 - "Mrs. D. M. Lyons, nee Petry, died Friday at residence of son-in-law Jos. T. Labit, aged 67. One of the oldest residents in town and leaves three sons: George E., William D., Ollie G. and three daughters: Mesdames J. T. Labit, J. C. Mouton, & C. C. Roberts. Rev. McMillan performed burial rites at grave in Masonic Cemetery." Lynn Bagley King ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 01:25:14 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <359DE6EA.7C28@pacbell.net> Subject: Michael Lyons Bible Record Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the Michael Lyons - John Reeves Bible: "Elizabeth, daughter of Michael Lyons and Mary, his wife, was born on the 20th day of November 1802." Also from the Lyons-Reeves Bible: "Abel Lyons and Ann Druzilla Merriman was married on the 13th day of February (torn) the year 182_ (This might be 1827 but the last figure is so indistinct as to be illegible.)" If this Bible record is not among the genealogy records referred to in the bibliography, then I will be more than happy to share the copy I have on file. The above corrections are the only differences I note for now. Happy 4th of July! Sharon Shaw ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 10:17:23 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980704.102211.3286.6.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER As of Saturday, July 4 th. The following have joined the list. 24 and growing!!!!! HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek 20. Joy Moore 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin 23. Sharon Shaw *24. LESYLEE GAUTREAUX WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Ti m Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane GABRIEL Sharon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:43:08 -0500 From: "David Swanson" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807041437.JAA13294@endeavor.flash.net> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valerie, I'm visualizing an electronic bibliography which would reference everything all of us gather in our adventurous search for "Lyons" . Someone in our group probably already has database software (ie. Paradox, ...) and might have the stamina to undertake this enormous task. Or perhaps, Rootsweb or an existing location has room for us. In the future, this could be the ultimate "Lyons" starting place for our future generations of researchers. We could leave an electronic footprint. Thanks for the interested response. Rosemary Lyons Carraway swanson@flash.net ---------- > From: VALERIE L CUNDY > To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy > Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 8:52 AM > > > Valerie Lyons Cundy > vcundy@juno.com > > On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:28:27 -0500 "David Swanson" > writes: > >Valerie, I know this could be an insurmountable task, but this group > >may > >have an interest in pursuing it - how about a "Lyons" database. By > >that, I > >mean, everyone could submit as much verifiable data about the "Lyons" > >name > >from whereever they have discovered it. > > Are you saying we could send it via email or send it somewhere else? > > In time, anyone could go to > >this > >one location and find referenced info. > > Where would we house this database? > > If we come across a Lyons > >article, > >document it and send it to the database - if we can't use it, maybe > >one of > >our cousins can. We all come across a lot of "Lyons" stuff that > >doesn't > >apply to our particular line - but it would only take a minute to > >document > >it for the database. Many years from now, this could be the central > >source > >for "Lyons" info. > > > This sounds great and I'm interested in hearing more details about how > this would work. Anyone else like this idea? > > > >ex. > >Bio. - John L.Lyons, Sugartown > >p. 168 > >Southwest Louisiana Bio. & Historical > >ed. Wm. H. Perrin > >Gulf Pub 1891: Baton Rouge > >Claitor's Pub Div, 1971 reprint > >(found in Lake Charles Historical Library) > > > >Just a thought - visualize a "Lyons" octopus > > > >Rosemary Lyons Carraway > >swanson@flash.net > > > > > > > >---------- > >> From: VALERIE L CUNDY > >> To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy > >> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 8:44 AM > >> > >> Hello Everyone, > >> > >> I've just read the few messages that were posted over the last > >couple of > >> weeks and I sit here wondering what we "don't have" to talk about. > >I > >> didn't anticipate having this problem when this list was created, so > >I'm > >> asking for your suggestions. > >> > >> In the beginning, we tried to focus on a generation at a time for > >the > >> descendants of John Sr., fill in missing information and solve any > >> conflicts, it appears that we don't have the sources on this list to > >> accomplish that, so in efforts to keep this list alive I would like > >to > >> here from each and every one of you. What would you like to see > >posted > >> on this list? > >> > >> I would like to suggest that if you have a snag, "brick wall" or > >just a > >> simple question on the branch of the family your working on, post > >> it......chances are someone out here can help you, and if not, they > >at > >> least might be able to point you in the right direction. Maybe you > >don't > >> really have any holes to fill in but have a bunch of neat stuff to > >share, > >> maybe you have stuff and don't know if someone would be interested > >or > >> not, my guess is that if it pertains to LYONS your not waisting your > >> time...Post it. > >> > >> Personally for me I hope that we can help each other with what we > >need > >> and in the process build the ancestral chart from John Sr. down and > >have > >> it available on the WWW site that David Lawerence has established. > >> > >> Then, if we visit the WWW site, we know what we're missing........if > >you > >> have information that is documented that is not on the WWW site, you > >> should send it to David. That site should be our guide to follow, I > >think > >> it would also be the best place to share information among us. Much > >> easier than copying and mailing each one of our pedigree charts to > >one > >> another. Maybe David will let us know how to best handle that part. > >> > >> I feel like I've been rambling on this morning so I'll quit, let me > >know > >> what you think. I've never had a list before and I don't want my > >first > >> one to be a flop......post your suggestions, what do you think we > >need to > >> do to keep interest up??????? How can "our" list be the best > >list????? > >> > >> I look forward to hearing from you all. > >> > >> > >> Valerie Lyons Cundy > >> vcundy@juno.com > >> > >> ************************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 34 Today's Topics: #1 HAPPY LYONS 4th of July! [Jan Craven ] #2 Re: Message from List Owner: Valer [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #3 MICHAEL LYONS/JOHN REEVES BIBLE [Sharon ] #4 Re: MICHAEL LYONS/JOHN REEVES BIBL [Jan Craven ] #5 Re: MICHAEL LYONS/JOHN REEVES BIBL ["Walter N. Langham, Jr." ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 12:29:03 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980704122903.00887340@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: HAPPY LYONS 4th of July! Hi All you cousins! I hope all of you are eating plenty of BBQ and watermelon! This is so much fun and I hope all of you are enjoying this as much as I am!. I don't think that all of you are aware that our fearless leader (Valerie) puts together a LYONS reunion every other summer. Next summer we will have a bang up reunion and we all need to try to come. Fortunately for me, it's held right here in southwest LA, but for some of you that is not exactly close! :o( Anyway, I thot I'd just mention that reunion next summer to ya'll and maybe you can make your vacation plans to try to come on down. Val won't be able to set the date until after the first of Jan. because it is held at a Bapt. campground and they set up their schedule for the year then. Wouldn't it be fun for us to spend a weekend together? Well, some of us are gonna be there! SOOOO, you should to! Have a safe and happy 4th and be proud to be an American! Jan ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 13:37:40 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980704.135114.3286.8.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy Dear Rosemary, I hear what your saying.......and with todays technology, it's a little scary what we can do with all of this data. Unfortunately, I'm not well versed when it comes to devoloping such things, so I have to rely on the knowledge and talents of others, like David and Jan. They both have been more than generous with their time and efforts in regards to this project. I was hoping someone else out there might share their knowledge in systems that would be willing to help out......Any takers??? Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Sat, 4 Jul 1998 08:43:08 -0500 "David Swanson" writes: >Valerie, I'm visualizing an electronic bibliography which would >reference >everything all of us gather in our adventurous search for "Lyons" . >Someone in our group probably already has database software (ie. >Paradox, >...) and might have the stamina to undertake this enormous task. Or >perhaps, Rootsweb or an existing location has room for us. In the >future, >this could be the ultimate "Lyons" starting place for our future >generations of researchers. We could leave an electronic footprint. >Thanks for the interested response. >Rosemary Lyons Carraway >swanson@flash.net >---------- >> From: VALERIE L CUNDY >> To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy >> Date: Wednesday, July 01, 1998 8:52 AM >> >> >> Valerie Lyons Cundy >> vcundy@juno.com >> >> On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:28:27 -0500 "David Swanson" > >> writes: >> >Valerie, I know this could be an insurmountable task, but this >group >> >may >> >have an interest in pursuing it - how about a "Lyons" database. By > >> >that, I >> >mean, everyone could submit as much verifiable data about the >"Lyons" >> >name >> >from whereever they have discovered it. >> >> Are you saying we could send it via email or send it somewhere else? >> >> In time, anyone could go to >> >this >> >one location and find referenced info. >> >> Where would we house this database? >> >> If we come across a Lyons >> >article, >> >document it and send it to the database - if we can't use it, maybe > >> >one of >> >our cousins can. We all come across a lot of "Lyons" stuff that >> >doesn't >> >apply to our particular line - but it would only take a minute to >> >document >> >it for the database. Many years from now, this could be the >central >> >source >> >for "Lyons" info. >> > >> This sounds great and I'm interested in hearing more details about >how >> this would work. Anyone else like this idea? >> >> >> >ex. >> >Bio. - John L.Lyons, Sugartown >> >p. 168 >> >Southwest Louisiana Bio. & Historical >> >ed. Wm. H. Perrin >> >Gulf Pub 1891: Baton Rouge >> >Claitor's Pub Div, 1971 reprint >> >(found in Lake Charles Historical Library) >> > >> >Just a thought - visualize a "Lyons" octopus >> > >> >Rosemary Lyons Carraway >> >swanson@flash.net >> > >> > >> > >> >---------- >> >> From: VALERIE L CUNDY >> >> To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >> >> Subject: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy >> >> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 8:44 AM >> >> >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> >> >> I've just read the few messages that were posted over the last >> >couple of >> >> weeks and I sit here wondering what we "don't have" to talk >about. >> >I >> >> didn't anticipate having this problem when this list was created, >so >> >I'm >> >> asking for your suggestions. >> >> >> >> In the beginning, we tried to focus on a generation at a time >for >> >the >> >> descendants of John Sr., fill in missing information and solve >any >> >> conflicts, it appears that we don't have the sources on this list >to >> >> accomplish that, so in efforts to keep this list alive I would >like >> >to >> >> here from each and every one of you. What would you like to see >> >posted >> >> on this list? >> >> >> >> I would like to suggest that if you have a snag, "brick wall" or >> >just a >> >> simple question on the branch of the family your working on, post >> >> it......chances are someone out here can help you, and if not, >they >> >at >> >> least might be able to point you in the right direction. Maybe >you >> >don't >> >> really have any holes to fill in but have a bunch of neat stuff >to >> >share, >> >> maybe you have stuff and don't know if someone would be >interested >> >or >> >> not, my guess is that if it pertains to LYONS your not waisting >your >> >> time...Post it. >> >> >> >> Personally for me I hope that we can help each other with what we > >> >need >> >> and in the process build the ancestral chart from John Sr. down >and >> >have >> >> it available on the WWW site that David Lawerence has >established. >> >> >> >> Then, if we visit the WWW site, we know what we're >missing........if >> >you >> >> have information that is documented that is not on the WWW site, >you >> >> should send it to David. That site should be our guide to follow, >I >> >think >> >> it would also be the best place to share information among us. >Much >> >> easier than copying and mailing each one of our pedigree charts >to >> >one >> >> another. Maybe David will let us know how to best handle that >part. >> >> >> >> I feel like I've been rambling on this morning so I'll quit, let >me >> >know >> >> what you think. I've never had a list before and I don't want my > >> >first >> >> one to be a flop......post your suggestions, what do you think we > >> >need to >> >> do to keep interest up??????? How can "our" list be the best >> >list????? >> >> >> >> I look forward to hearing from you all. >> >> >> >> >> >> Valerie Lyons Cundy >> >> vcundy@juno.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >> >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet >e-mail. >> >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >_____________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 16:38:29 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <359EBCF5.7378@pacbell.net> Subject: MICHAEL LYONS/JOHN REEVES BIBLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, everyone. The following records have been referred to as the "Michael Lyons/John Reeves Bible Records" in family correspondence. Vivian (Hebert) Swent was the lady who wrote the book, "Imperial Calcasieu Records, Antioch Primitive Baptist Church, Big Wood, Louisiana." The following is verbatim from a letter to Archie L. Shaw from Vivian Swent, dated Dec. 17, 1962. Sharon Shaw --------------------------------------------- "The original of the Bible is in the possession of Joyce Miller, Bogalus, Louisiana. The original was photostated on August 6, 1948, by Charlton Harvard Lyons of Shreveport, Louisiana who furnished a photostatic copy to Mrs. James W. Swent (Vivian) of San Francisco. The Title Page reads as follows: 'The New Testament of our Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST translated out of the original greek (sic) and with the Former Translations Diligently Compared and Revised by His Majesty's Special Command. Appointed to be read in Churches. Edinburgh: Printed by Mark and Charles Kerr, His Majesty's Printers. MDCCXCV" On the Title Page of the Bible appears this inscription: 'Offistasime or Opislasing? (part of printed title) Hendricks was born 11th Dec. 1807.' Joyce Miller thinks this Hendricks might have a slave. Whether or not the Offistasime or Opislasing is a first name she does not know. Note: Page 6 of records should be inserted here. On the page marked "The End of the Old Testament" the following inscriptions appears: 'Lucinda Al Reeves was married to Washington Forde - 1834 (directly under this appears the year) 1842' 'John Reeves his book - John Ridgeway' 'Elizabeth Ann Reeves was married to Abron Lyons on the 15th day of March, 1845 (directly under this appeats the year) 1842 John Reeves died the 15th November 1817 in the 55 year of his age (This entry concerning the death of John Reeves looks as though it were made and signed by F. B. Reeves, Esq.) First Page of Records: Births: Michael Lyons was born in the year of our Lord (page is torn at this point) Mary Hays was born in the year of our Lord (page is torn at this point) Elizabeth, daughter of Michael Lyons and Mary, his wife, was born on the 20th day of November 1802 Fanny Lyons, was born on the 23rd day of September 1814 Abel Lyons was born on the 5th day of August, 1806 Sarah Lyons was born on the 27th day of June, 1808 Nancy Lyons was born on the 12th day of October, 1810 Aborn Lyons was born on the 19th day of October, 1812 Bosman Lyons was born on the 20th day of March, 1815 Marriages: Michael Lyons and Mary Hays was married in October, 1799 Michael Lyons and Ellenor Neuman was married on the 10th day of September in the year 1828 (this may be 1825) Edward Merriman and Elizabeth Lyons was married on the 18th day of June in the year 1822 William Prater and Fanny Lyons was married on the 27th day of August in (torn) year 1824 Richard West and Sarah Ly(torn) married on the 22nd day of Jun(torn) in the year 1824 Abel Lyons and Ann Druzilla Merriman was married on the 13th day of February (torn) the year 182 (This might be 1827 but the last figure is so indistinct as to be illegible) Abel Lyons (torn) ion Brian was (torn) married (rest of this is torn and only small fragments appear) Second Page of Records: Births: Isaac Lyons was born on the 29th day of April in the year 1817 Solomon Lyons was born on the 27th day of February in the year 1810 Martha and Benjamin Lyons were born on the 10th day of June in the year 1824 Lyman Constantine Lyons was born the 2nd day of March 1843 (torn) inda Reeves Lyons was born 15 November 1845 (torn) ascom Lyons was born on the (torn) the day of June in the year 1848 Franklin Ly(torn) was born on (torn) day of A (torn) 1851 Marriages: John Brien and Nancy Lyons was married on the 6th day of March in the year 1827 Michael Lyons and Susan Akely was married on the 1st day of April 1834 Aborn Lyons and Elizabeth Ann Reeves was married on the 15th day of March 1841 Births: Sue Lyons was born on the 15th day of October 1853 Jefferson Aborn Lyons was born on the 28th day of September 1856 Mary Ella was born on the 23rd day July 1862 Ernest Lyons was born on the 22nd day of April in the year 1865 Third Page of Records: Births: Ellenor Berwick was born on the 11th day of July in the year 1784 Thomas Neuman, son of William Neuman and Ellenor, his wife, was born on the 16th day of April 1800 Camelia Neuman was born on the 27th day of March in the year 1803 William Neuman was born on the 9th day of October in the year 1805 Felix Neuman was born on the 7th day of September in the year 1808 Amanda Neuman was born on the 1st (or 21st) day of July in the year 1810 William Neuman, son of Thomas Neuman, was born on the 19th day of October 1813 (this number 3 is indistinct, but the other three numbers are 181 and are clear. Marriages: William Neuman and Ellenor Berwick were married on the 26th day of August in the year 1798 John Shaw and Camelia Neuman were married on the 6th day of August in the year 1818 Jones Shaw and Amanda Neuman were married on the 17th day of July in the year 1824 Deaths: William Neuman, Jun. died on the 17th day of May in the 1810 aged 4 years and 6 months William Neuman, Sen, died on the 3rd day of November in the year 1810 Camilia, wife of John Shaw, died on the 11th day of October in the year 1827, aged 24 years Fourth Page of Records: Deaths: Nancy, wife of John Lyons, Sen, died on the 1st day of June in the year 1809 (this may be 1807) aged (torn) Mary Hays, wife of Michael Lyons died on the 17th day of May in the year 1826 aged (torn) years Ann Druzilla, wife of Abel Lyons died on the 15th day of October in the year 1827, aged 18 years Ellenor, wife of Michael Lyons died on the 9th of March 1833, aged 47 years John Lyons died on the 23rd of August 1835, aged (torn) Elizabeth, wife of Edward Merriman died on the 7th day of April 1832, aged 32 years Solomon Lyons son of (rest of this entry is torn away) Michael Lyons died Oct. 19th in the year of our Lord 1840, aged (torn) Lucinda, wife of Washington Ford, died on the 17th day of February in the year 1845 Thomas J. Reeves died on the 22nd of January in the Twenty-fourth year of his age - year 1850 Martha, wife of Johnson Mass, died on the 14th March 1853 Franklin B. Reeves died on the 16th of September in the 33rd year of his age 1853 Bosman Lyons died on the 22nd day of July in the year 1861, aged 46 Susan Lyons died on the 22 day of Feb. 1865 Abel Lyons died on (torn) of August (rest is torn away) Fifth Page of Records: Oba (?) Hendricks was born 1 June 1776 (this 6 is not clear might be a 4) Polly Hendricks his wife was born 23 October 1783 Nancy Hendricks, Dau. of Oba and Polly Hendricks, was born 18 Sept. 1800 Henry Hendricks was born 18 April 1803 Edwin Hendricks was born 27 January 1806 Custavis (?) Hendricks was born 11th (might be 4th) December 1807 (This entry is an obvious duplication of the one on the title page) Note: The camera picked up faint impressions of writing from this page - looks as through a child named Elizabeth wrote her name on it many times. Jackson Reeves died 24 August 1832 - "What virtue or what mental grace can over cast the place." (unillegible writing follows this) Note by Joyce Miller: 'Apparently the above were slaves.' Note by Vivian Swent: 'I doubt that the above were slaves. Certainly Jackson Reeves was not a slave and slaves were seldom entered in family Bible records. Besides, at this time, slaves did not have last names, or if they were called by last names to distinquish them from other slaves have the same first name, their last name would have been the same as their master's. Who the Hendricks were, if they were not slaves, nobody knows at this time. I also doubt that a slave would have had his birth recorded twice in the family records - especially on the Title Page. Sixth Page of Records: Note: This page of records should follow just after the New Testament Title Page. This page shows faint traces of the printing on the reverse side. These records were evidently written on the reverse of the New Testament Title Page. John Reeves his book. John Reeves died on the 15th November 1827, aged 55 years . Alexander Hamilton Reeves was borned December 1st 1811 Jackson A. Reeves was borned the 15th October 1814, died 24 August 1832 Lucinda A. (or H.) Reeves was born 15 August 1817 Franklin B. Reeves was born on February 17th 1820 Alexander H. Reeves died the 24th August 1820 "May the eye that views this shed a tear for the parent that records it." Elizabeth Ann Reeves was born 15 (faint) February 1823 Thomas Jefferson Reeves was born 17 February 1826 Jackson A. Reeves died the 24 August 1832, aged 18 years, "Written by his dear affectionate (ink blot) (ink blot)" (These last two words appear to have been written and then crossed out.)" - ------------------------------ ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 19:56:01 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980704195601.00885ac0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: MICHAEL LYONS/JOHN REEVES BIBLE WAY TO GO SHARON! I know we all appreciate this. THIS is the kind of stuff that we can take to the bank, so to speak. I have seen this Bible ref. to, but have not ever seen the records in total. It is so important because we all are desc from Nancy! whether or not we are from any of the others mentioned. This is really great! Thanks. Jan At 04:38 PM 7/4/1998 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, everyone. > >The following records have been referred to as the "Michael Lyons/John >Reeves Bible Records" in family correspondence. Vivian (Hebert) Swent ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:48:50 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001d01bda7b7$0fb1b480$2e9186d0@default> Subject: Re: MICHAEL LYONS/JOHN REEVES BIBLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cheers for Sharon. Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:24:33 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980705.003257.3286.18.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: MICHAEL LYONS/JOHN REEVES BIBLE Sharon, I want to thank you for the time and effort in providing this most interesting information in the Bible of Michael Lyons and John Reeves. I have only known of this information from quotes. I've enjoyed your post a great deal. THANK YOU! Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 00:22:51 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980705.003257.3286.17.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER As of Sunday, July 5 th. The following have joined the list. 25 and growing!!!!! 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek 20. Joy Moore 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin 23. Sharon Shaw 24. Lesylee Gautreaux *25. MICHAEL BRADFORD WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Ti m Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane GABRIEL Sharon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 01:12:10 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980705.011213.3286.20.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BIBLE RECORD I have some questions I would like your thoughts on..... Below is portions of the information from the Michael Lyons Bible.......... * * * Michael Lyons and Mary Hays was married in October, 1799 ???- I've only ever seen this marriage date as 1800, everywhere, in the Lafayette Marriage records, Hebert, and any other data I've ever seen, it states 1800, now what date do you suppose it right-??? * * * 'Lucinda Al Reeves was married to Washington Forde - 1834 (directly under this appears the year) 1842' ???- What date would you consider correct-??? * * * 'John Reeves his book - John Ridgeway' 'Elizabeth Ann Reeves was married to Abron Lyons on the 15th day of March, 1845 (directly under this appeats the year) 1842 Aborn Lyons and Elizabeth Ann Reeves was married on the 15th day of March 1841 ???- On the first page it states one date, then on the second page it list this other, is it 1841, 1842 or 1845-??? * * * John Reeves died the 15th November 1817 in the 55 year of his age (This entry concerning the death of John Reeves looks as though it were made and signed by F. B. Reeves, Esq.) John Reeves his book. John Reeves died on the 15th November 1827, aged 55 years . ???- Page two has the first date at 1817, page six shows 1827, which one is correct-??? * * * Elizabeth Ann Reeves was born 15 (faint) February 1823 ???- Then I had this Elizabeth Ann as daughter of John Reeves in my files, but, according to these dates, he would have had her after his death unless the second death date for John is accurate. * * * I'm looking at this nearly 1:00 am, so maybe I'm just tired.....I haven't look over the whole thing yet, but wanted your thoughts on this so far. Without looking at the paper itself, I'm wondering if the copy had been written on by Vivian or Joyce Miller who had possession. Gosh I love this stuff.......THANKS AGAIN SHARON!!!!!!!!! Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 01:02:25 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <359F3311.1842@pacbell.net> Subject: MICHAEL LYONS/JOHN REEVES BIBLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am back from 4th of July do, but had to check email. I wanted to respond to Valerie's perceptive questions and observations about the Bible record. First, I do not have a photocopy of the Bible, only the typed letter from Vivian to my grandfather, in which she typed the Bible information, along with her notes and comments. Vivian also included Joyce Miller's points of view on certain items. Bottom line, this is not original material we are looking at, so "typos", which I left in my text-type, and mistakes can happen. Second, it is pretty obvious from Vivian's comments that the Bible was not in the best of shape, and the writing was at times difficult to read. So, my suggestion; if there is an official document (marriage license, cemetery record, whatever) then certainly that independent source is better than a family source, particularly this damaged, at times, illegible family source, for documentation purposes. If there is no official document, and the Bible record appears to be accurate, then consider using it as a reference and continue looking for other documentation. Third, if it is the group's belief that this record should be considered too inaccurate or questionable, then do not use it. Honestly, you will not hurt my feelings. The more important issue is to have records that are as accurate as possible. Lastly, I guess the lesson is: Just because it was written in a Bible doesn't make it gospel. Bye for now. Sharon ************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 35 Today's Topics: #1 Swent book [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #2 Re: Swent book ["Ruby Dusek" ] #3 Re: WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER [Jan Craven ] #4 Re: QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BIBLE RECO [Jan Craven ] #5 Swent Book [David Lawrence ] #6 Re: Swent Book [Jan Craven ] #7 Re: Photo or graphic [David Lawrence ] #8 Re: Photo or graphic [David Lawrence ] #9 Re: Photo or graphic [Jan Craven ] #10 Re: Swent Book [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #11 Re: MICHAEL LYONS/JOHN REEVES BIBL [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #12 Re: QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BIBLE RECO [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #13 Re: WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #14 Re: QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BIBLE RECO [Jan Craven ] #15 photos [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #16 Re: photos [Jan Craven ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 07:31:58 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <29661-359F723E-5735@mailtod-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Swent book Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Would it be possible Vivian Swents book might be in Geneology Library in Lake Charles? She came to Vinton in late 40s & interviewed Grandpa Lyons (Bennet Washington) )My grand mother had a letter her papers telling of her visit and stating she was sending her a copy of the book, unfortunately the book was not there she evidently passed to another family and I haven't located it If she sent one wouldn't it stand to reason she gave one to the library Can someone look there? She may address the questions Val has JOY ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 08:13:24 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000601bda816$b1f03be0$f9e390d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: Swent book Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have it at Clayton Library in Houston. Ruby Dusek -----Original Message----- From: Joy Moore To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 7:32 AM Subject: Swent book Would it be possible Vivian Swents book might be in Geneology Library in Lake Charles? She came to Vinton in late 40s & interviewed Grandpa Lyons (Bennet Washington) )My grand mother had a letter her papers telling of her visit and stating she was sending her a copy of the book, unfortunately the book was not there she evidently passed to another family and I haven't located it If she sent one wouldn't it stand to reason she gave one to the library Can someone look there? She may address the questions Val has JOY ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:51:45 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980705085145.0088c980@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER This is really exciting! Guess we need to put out an APB for a desc. of Elizabeth. I have two child. of Eliz. and David Harmon. Hanna b. 1805 d.1891 in Granger TX She m. John F. Stanton who also d. in Granger, TX. in 1891. Solomon Harmon - no mar. known I also have a mar. for Eliz to Thomas Hayes with 5 kids. Jesse - m. Constance Collins Jane - m. Solomon W. Andrus Enoch - no known mar. Frances - Joseph Harmon Emily Ann - m. Elisha Andrus. This is very briefly what I have. Go Lyons Hunting! Jan At 12:22 AM 7/5/1998 -0400, you wrote: >As of Sunday, July 5 th. The following have joined the list. 25 and >growing!!!!! > > >1. Valerie Cundy >2. Jan Craven >3. Barbara Langham >4. David Lawrence >5. Lynn Bagley King >6. Ben Carroll >7. Mary Hammond >8. LV Hayes >9. Rosemary Carraway >10.Mary Lane >11.Jeremy Fountain >12.Jennifer Anne Turner >13.Laura Wright >14.Wayne Linebarger >15.Robert Broussard >16 Betty Gaiennie >17 Tim Lyons >18 Jo-Anne Arnaud >19. Ruby Dusek >20. Joy Moore >21. Harold Lawrence >22. Carol Austin >23. Sharon Shaw >24. Lesylee Gautreaux >*25. MICHAEL BRADFORD > >WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We >currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. >Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we >have: > >MICHAEL > >Valerie Cundy >Jeremy Fountain >Wayne Linebarger >Ti m Lyons >Ruby Dusek >Joy Moore >Carol Austin > >JOHN JR. > >Ben Carroll >Mary Hammond >Rose Carraway >Barbara Langham >Laura Wright >Mary Lane > >GABRIEL >Sharon Shaw > >ELIZABETH > >SAMUEL > >Jennifer Turner >Jo Anne Arnaud >Betty Gaiennie >Robert Broussard > >WILLIAM > >Jan Craven >Laura Wright > >DAVID > >David Lawrence >Lynn King >Harold Lawrence > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:34:04 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980705083404.007a4600@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BIBLE RECORD At 01:12 AM 7/5/1998 -0400, you wrote: >I have some questions I would like your thoughts on..... Below is >portions of the information from the Michael Lyons Bible.......... > > * * * > >Michael Lyons and Mary Hays was married in October, 1799 > >???- I've only ever seen this marriage date as 1800, everywhere, in the >Lafayette Marriage records, Hebert, and any other data I've ever seen, it >states 1800, now what date do you suppose it right-??? My guess on this is that they "jumped the broom" in 1799 and finally made it over to Lafayette to make it legal in 1800. I have not studied all the stuff, but off the top of my head that is a strong possibility. It is very common to find two different mar. records/ dates in Heberts stuff one in the church and one at the court house. > > > * * * > >'Lucinda Al Reeves was married to Washington Forde - 1834 > (directly under this appears the year) 1842' > >???- What date would you consider correct-??? In these hard to read old documents I would put both in my data. Now, if we have birthdates of kids, that would influence my thinking on that, and I haven't checked for that. BUT, that doesn't always mean anything either. We all know that is not necessarily a prerequesite for having kids! > > * * * > >'John Reeves his book - John Ridgeway' > >'Elizabeth Ann Reeves was married to Abron Lyons on the 15th day of >March, 1845 > (directly under this appeats the year) 1842 Ya'll, we really would have to see the REAL document to start to interpret this stuff. Are both dates in the same handwriting? Was the 1842 added years later? ....By someone else? The date recorded closest to the event would be the *more likely* one that is correct. This is what makes this stuff such fun and such a great mystery to try to solve! >Gosh I love this stuff.......THANKS AGAIN SHARON!!!!!!!!! > > >Valerie Lyons Cundy >vcundy@juno.com YESSSS! We are having fun yet! Jan ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 06:54:58 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980705065457.007127b8@mail> Subject: Swent Book I checked the on-line catalogue and learned that there is a copy in the New Orleans Public Library, Louisiana Division - Genealogy Special Collections (Call Number: 929.3 S97i v. 1) AUTHOR Swent, Vivian Hebert, compiler. TITLE Imperial Calcasieu records/ compiled by Vivian Hebert Swent. PUBLISHER San Francisco, Calif.: [s.n.], c1966- PHYS.DESC. v.: ill.; 28 cm. CONTENTS v.1.- Antioch Primitive Baptist Church, Big Woods, Louisiana. Church records, 1827-1903, cemetery records through 1963 including cemetery records of the Missionary Baptist Church. SUBJECT(S) 1) Registers of births, etc. Louisiana Calcasieu Parish. 2) Calcasieu Parish (La.) History. NOTES 1) "Limited edition of 200 copies of which this is copy no. 135." -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 09:27:21 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980705092721.007d7cf0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Swent Book Folks, That is the book I have. So if you want me to look anything up, I can. This has only the Big Wood reading and the church records. My copy is one I made of someone elses copy!( take me directly to jail) and is copy # 136. It has NO Bible record in it. So, she must have used the Bible rec. as ref. (???) BTW, I can now put photos into the archives. These things take up tons of space on a surver, so it would be next to impossible for David to put them on his page....BUT, I can put them in the archives and he can link to them, just like the text files! SO, if you have some old photos of LYONS, I'll be happy to put them up. Later, Jan At 06:54 AM 7/5/1998 -0700, you wrote: >I checked the on-line catalogue and learned that there is a copy in the New >Orleans Public Library, Louisiana Division - Genealogy Special Collections >(Call Number: 929.3 S97i v. 1) > > AUTHOR Swent, Vivian Hebert, compiler. > > TITLE Imperial Calcasieu records/ compiled by Vivian Hebert Swent. > > PUBLISHER San Francisco, Calif.: [s.n.], c1966- > > PHYS.DESC. v.: ill.; 28 cm. > > CONTENTS v.1.- Antioch Primitive Baptist Church, Big Woods, Louisiana. > Church records, 1827-1903, cemetery records through 1963 > including cemetery records of the Missionary Baptist Church. > > SUBJECT(S) 1) Registers of births, etc. Louisiana Calcasieu Parish. > 2) Calcasieu Parish (La.) History. > > NOTES 1) "Limited edition of 200 copies of which this is copy no. > 135." > > >-- >David Lawrence >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: >Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com >San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl >http://www.greyware.com/cccip > > > ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 07:54:01 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980705075400.00735c68@mail> Subject: Re: Photo or graphic At 09:27 AM 7/5/98 -0600, Jan Craven wrote: >BTW, I can now put photos into the archives. SO, if you have >some old photos of LYONS, I'll be happy to put them up. Remember, I'm still looking for an appropriate graphic for the John Lyons Home Page. Any suggestions? David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:07:03 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980705080702.0072c5d0@mail> Subject: Re: Photo or graphic At 07:54 AM 7/5/98 -0700, David Lawrence wrote in reply to Jan Craven: > >>BTW, I can now put photos into the archives. SO, if you have >>some old photos of LYONS, I'll be happy to put them up. >Remember, I'm still looking for an appropriate graphic for the John Lyons >Home Page. Any suggestions? Lest there be any confusion. Jan and I aren't in competition. If you send scanned photos and graphics to Jan for the Louisiana GenWeb Archives, I'll place links to them from our John Lyons site. That way we have access to them from the Lyons WWW pages but they don't take up my server space. Further, they may be easily accessed by those who are browsing the Louisiana GenWeb site. Does the LA GenWeb site have a link to our Lyons site? Have all list members visited the Lyons site? http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm Please send me your corrections and suggestions. David David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:36:20 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980705103620.00893100@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Photo or graphic I think the closest thing to him we have is the land grant image that is in the History of Acadia Pr. I have a copy of that same plot that I got out of the archives. All of this is public domain. Jan At 07:54 AM 7/5/1998 -0700, you wrote: >At 09:27 AM 7/5/98 -0600, Jan Craven wrote: > >>BTW, I can now put photos into the archives. SO, if you have >>some old photos of LYONS, I'll be happy to put them up. > >Remember, I'm still looking for an appropriate graphic for the John Lyons >Home Page. Any suggestions? > >David >-- >David Lawrence >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: >Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com >San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl >http://www.greyware.com/cccip > > > ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:15:22 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980705.115449.3286.40.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Swent Book I also have this book, mine is a copy from a copy #138. It is very interesting and I've used this thing a great deal for reference and source. The first part is church records and the last half is cemetery records. Did you all know that Jan has updated the Big Woods records by spending hours and hours in cemetery, visiting every plot and recording all burials and placing them online AND she has a few in book form that she has sold. Her work brings the burials up to date where Vivian left off. Quite a job! Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:24:30 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980705.115449.3286.41.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: MICHAEL LYONS/JOHN REEVES BIBLE Sharon, I like your explantion, it's making a lot more sense to me this morning. I am very glad you posted this material........I think by the response, others are too.....we love to have things like this too look at, even if they do contain questionable dates.....dosen't just about everything we do in genealogy have to be questioned or it takes the fun and mystery out of it. In no way do I feel this record should be considered too inaccurate or questionable. Thanks again for sharing it with us! Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Sun, 05 Jul 1998 01:02:25 -0700 Sharon writes: >Hi, I am back from 4th of July do, but had to check email. I wanted >to >respond to Valerie's perceptive questions and observations about the >Bible record. > >First, I do not have a photocopy of the Bible, only the typed letter >from Vivian to my grandfather, in which she typed the Bible >information, >along with her notes and comments. Vivian also included Joyce >Miller's >points of view on certain items. Bottom line, this is not original >material we are looking at, so "typos", which I left in my text-type, >and mistakes can happen. > >Second, it is pretty obvious from Vivian's comments that the Bible was >not in the best of shape, and the writing was at times difficult to >read. So, my suggestion; if there is an official document (marriage >license, cemetery record, whatever) then certainly that independent >source is better than a family source, particularly this damaged, at >times, illegible family source, for documentation purposes. If there >is >no official document, and the Bible record appears to be accurate, >then >consider using it as a reference and continue looking for other >documentation. > >Third, if it is the group's belief that this record should be >considered >too inaccurate or questionable, then do not use it. Honestly, you >will >not hurt my feelings. The more important issue is to have records >that >are as accurate as possible. > >Lastly, I guess the lesson is: Just because it was written in a Bible >doesn't make it gospel. > >Bye for now. >Sharon > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:28:21 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980705.115449.3286.42.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BIBLE RECORD So are you saying that you would include all dates in your files ???? This is really what I want to know.......how to deal with conflicting dates when you don't have the sources to sort them out? What time was that "How To" workshop you were going to give???????? Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:34:04 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >At 01:12 AM 7/5/1998 -0400, you wrote: >>I have some questions I would like your thoughts on..... Below is >>portions of the information from the Michael Lyons Bible.......... >> >> * * * >> >>Michael Lyons and Mary Hays was married in October, 1799 >> >>???- I've only ever seen this marriage date as 1800, everywhere, in >the >>Lafayette Marriage records, Hebert, and any other data I've ever >seen, it >>states 1800, now what date do you suppose it right-??? >My guess on this is that they "jumped the broom" in 1799 and finally >made >it over to Lafayette to make it legal in 1800. I have not studied >all the >stuff, but off the top of my head that is a strong possibility. >It is very common to find two different mar. records/ dates in Heberts >stuff >one in the church and one at the court house. >> >> >> * * * >> >>'Lucinda Al Reeves was married to Washington Forde - 1834 >> (directly under this appears the year) 1842' >> >>???- What date would you consider correct-??? >In these hard to read old documents I would put both in my data. >Now, if we have birthdates of kids, that would influence my thinking >on that, and I haven't checked for that. BUT, that doesn't always >mean >anything either. We all know that is not necessarily a prerequesite >for >having >kids! >> >> * * * >> >>'John Reeves his book - John Ridgeway' >> >>'Elizabeth Ann Reeves was married to Abron Lyons on the 15th day of >>March, 1845 >> (directly under this appeats the year) 1842 >Ya'll, we really would have to see the REAL document to start to >interpret >this stuff. Are both dates in the same handwriting? Was the 1842 >added >years later? ....By someone else? The date recorded closest to the >event >would be the *more likely* one that is correct. >This is what makes this stuff such fun and such a great mystery to try >to >solve! > >>Gosh I love this stuff.......THANKS AGAIN SHARON!!!!!!!!! >> >> >>Valerie Lyons Cundy >>vcundy@juno.com >YESSSS! We are having fun yet! >Jan > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 11:32:31 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980705.115449.3286.43.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER I know they exisit, David Harmon and and Eliz. had at least one child Hannah Harmon and that pedigree that listed Agnes Judah ERINXMAN on it has their descendants. It stops with John Theodore FULCHER, Sr. died in Temple , Tx this was complied by the Joseph Jordan that David has tried to find. The descendants of Elizabeth are out there..........Somewhere. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:51:45 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >This is really exciting! >Guess we need to put out an APB for a desc. of Elizabeth. >I have two child. of Eliz. and David Harmon. >Hanna b. 1805 d.1891 in Granger TX She m. John F. Stanton >who also d. in Granger, TX. in 1891. >Solomon Harmon - no mar. known >I also have a mar. for Eliz to Thomas Hayes with 5 kids. >Jesse - m. Constance Collins >Jane - m. Solomon W. Andrus >Enoch - no known mar. >Frances - Joseph Harmon >Emily Ann - m. Elisha Andrus. >This is very briefly what I have. >Go Lyons Hunting! >Jan > >At 12:22 AM 7/5/1998 -0400, you wrote: >>As of Sunday, July 5 th. The following have joined the list. 25 >and >>growing!!!!! >> >> >>1. Valerie Cundy >>2. Jan Craven >>3. Barbara Langham >>4. David Lawrence >>5. Lynn Bagley King >>6. Ben Carroll >>7. Mary Hammond >>8. LV Hayes >>9. Rosemary Carraway >>10.Mary Lane >>11.Jeremy Fountain >>12.Jennifer Anne Turner >>13.Laura Wright >>14.Wayne Linebarger >>15.Robert Broussard >>16 Betty Gaiennie >>17 Tim Lyons >>18 Jo-Anne Arnaud >>19. Ruby Dusek >>20. Joy Moore >>21. Harold Lawrence >>22. Carol Austin >>23. Sharon Shaw >>24. Lesylee Gautreaux >>*25. MICHAEL BRADFORD >> >>WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. >We >>currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and >Nancy. >>Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we >>have: >> >>MICHAEL >> >>Valerie Cundy >>Jeremy Fountain >>Wayne Linebarger >>Ti m Lyons >>Ruby Dusek >>Joy Moore >>Carol Austin >> >>JOHN JR. >> >>Ben Carroll >>Mary Hammond >>Rose Carraway >>Barbara Langham >>Laura Wright >>Mary Lane >> >>GABRIEL >>Sharon Shaw >> >>ELIZABETH >> >>SAMUEL >> >>Jennifer Turner >>Jo Anne Arnaud >>Betty Gaiennie >>Robert Broussard >> >>WILLIAM >> >>Jan Craven >>Laura Wright >> >>DAVID >> >>David Lawrence >>Lynn King >>Harold Lawrence >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >>Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> >> >> > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 12:52:54 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980705125254.00883820@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BIBLE RECORD Hi. In my program, I can put only one DATE, but in the notes, I can state that this date is in dispute/not proven/what ever. After having done this for so long, I have quite a bit of conflicting data! I just try my best to resolve it and then I have to understand that it is just the nature of the beast. The only DATES that I will swear by is my Wedding date and our daughter's birth date. I was at both of those occasions. The rest is up for debate! Time for that How to workshop? I'll do that in my spare time! Gotta work on archives now. As usual, I'm behind! J At 11:28 AM 7/5/1998 -0400, you wrote: >So are you saying that you would include all dates in your files ???? >This is really what I want to know.......how to deal with conflicting >dates when you don't have the sources to sort them out? What time was >that "How To" workshop you were going to give???????? > > > >Valerie Lyons Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > >On Sun, 05 Jul 1998 08:34:04 -0600 Jan Craven >writes: >>At 01:12 AM 7/5/1998 -0400, you wrote: >>>I have some questions I would like your thoughts on..... Below is >>>portions of the information from the Michael Lyons Bible.......... >>> >>> * * * >>> >>>Michael Lyons and Mary Hays was married in October, 1799 >>> >>>???- I've only ever seen this marriage date as 1800, everywhere, in >>the >>>Lafayette Marriage records, Hebert, and any other data I've ever >>seen, it >>>states 1800, now what date do you suppose it right-??? >>My guess on this is that they "jumped the broom" in 1799 and finally >>made >>it over to Lafayette to make it legal in 1800. I have not studied >>all the >>stuff, but off the top of my head that is a strong possibility. >>It is very common to find two different mar. records/ dates in Heberts >>stuff >>one in the church and one at the court house. >>> >>> >>> * * * >>> >>>'Lucinda Al Reeves was married to Washington Forde - 1834 >>> (directly under this appears the year) 1842' >>> >>>???- What date would you consider correct-??? >>In these hard to read old documents I would put both in my data. >>Now, if we have birthdates of kids, that would influence my thinking >>on that, and I haven't checked for that. BUT, that doesn't always >>mean >>anything either. We all know that is not necessarily a prerequesite >>for >>having >>kids! >>> >>> * * * >>> >>>'John Reeves his book - John Ridgeway' >>> >>>'Elizabeth Ann Reeves was married to Abron Lyons on the 15th day of >>>March, 1845 >>> (directly under this appeats the year) 1842 >>Ya'll, we really would have to see the REAL document to start to >>interpret >>this stuff. Are both dates in the same handwriting? Was the 1842 >>added >>years later? ....By someone else? The date recorded closest to the >>event >>would be the *more likely* one that is correct. >>This is what makes this stuff such fun and such a great mystery to try >>to >>solve! >> >>>Gosh I love this stuff.......THANKS AGAIN SHARON!!!!!!!!! >>> >>> >>>Valerie Lyons Cundy >>>vcundy@juno.com >>YESSSS! We are having fun yet! >>Jan >> >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > ______________________________X-Message: #15 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:47:43 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <26648-359FCA4F-172@mailtod-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I have photos of the following: Emily Mabry Bennet Washington Cora Estelle Lyons The three are together in one photo Elmo Lyons in WW I uniform Clarence Leonard & Nora Lyons Newspaper photo of Bennet Wilford & Annie Lyons Photo of Bennet, Leonard, & Edna Estelle John Eston Arledge s/o Edna (killed on Arizona at Pearl Harbor) I can have copies made for page Who to and where???? JOY ______________________________X-Message: #16 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 14:32:58 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980705143258.008801b0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: photos Send them to me at Jan Craven 2008 Cheryl Lane Lake Charles, LA 70611-3339 You need to tell me who they are and where they lived. This is broken down by parish. It is also an excellent idea to give your source of the picture especially if it is a photo from a newspaper. We have to abide by copy right laws so I'll need the date these were pub. So much red tape! Jan At 01:47 PM 7/5/1998 -0500, you wrote: >I have photos of the following: >Emily Mabry >Bennet Washington >Cora Estelle Lyons >The three are together in one photo >Elmo Lyons in WW I uniform >Clarence Leonard & Nora Lyons >Newspaper photo of Bennet Wilford & Annie Lyons > Photo of Bennet, Leonard, & Edna > Estelle >John Eston Arledge s/o Edna (killed on > Arizona at Pearl Harbor) >I can have copies made for page >Who to and where???? > >JOY > > > ************************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 36 Today's Topics: #1 MICHAEL LYONS BIBLE [Sharon ] #2 Rosa Lyons married to Martin Bagle [Matuvi@aol.com] #3 Re: Rosa Lyons married to Martin B [Jan Craven ] #4 JOHN REEVES/Michael Lyons Bible Re [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #5 Re: Photo or graphic [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #6 Charlton Havard Lyons [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #7 Re: JOHN REEVES/Michael Lyons Bibl ["CR_AUSTIN" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 16:09:56 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35A007C4.57AD@pacbell.net> Subject: MICHAEL LYONS BIBLE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, everyone! Apparently, Charlton Harvard Lyons, the photocopy owner of the Bible record mentioned by Vivian Swent, also had reservations about the marriage date for Michael Lyons and Mary Hayes, because I note in his book, "The Lyons Family", he gives the 27 Oct. 1800 date. C. H. Lyons was a grandson of Aborn and Elizabeth Ann Reeves. I wonder if his family is still living in the Shreveport area, and if they might be holding his records, like that photocopy of the Bible? Is there a gene. society or lib. in Shreveport someone from the family might belong to or visit? You are right about the Swent book, it does not have the Bible record in it; I looked over my grandfather's copy (#8) last night. There were Lyons related documents stuffed in the book, but no photocopy of the Bible. Sorry. On June 30, Valerie asked us for input about the group. As a new member, I would like to better understand how the group operates and its goal. Is the goal of the group to combine our research efforts and collectively work to document the information on David L.'s web page? Which is a good goal, because it would help everyone of us. Or, is the goal to help one another with problems and questons with our research, and in the process add what we can to David's web page? Which is probably all that most of us have time to do. For myself, with help from Jan and Valerie, I feel that I have a handle on my line back through John Lyons, Sr. And, I gave David corrections on William Wade Shaw, who married Elizabeth Lyons, and info on Mary Serena Lyons and, her husband, James Stokes Shaw. What I am missing is the information on John's parents, so that would be my interest, if anyone in the group can help. Thanks. Sharon ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 19:48:17 EDT From: Matuvi@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2b9d3fb3.35a010c2@aol.com> Subject: Rosa Lyons married to Martin Bagley Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Here's the basic rollcall info for me. I will amplify with details at later time, if desired and appropriate. Hope this is the way you want it presented: John Lyons + Nancy Ahart David Lyons +Margaret Rebecca Merriman David Merriman Lyons + Euphemie Petre (Petry) Rosa Lyons + Martin Bagley John Joseph Bagley + Mary Maud Fleming Rose Mary Bagley + Frank Valsin Pellerin Michael Francis Bradford ( Frank Valsin Pellerin, Jr.) + Susan E. Kendall When and if all the details are required to properly record the information, please advise. Can anyone expand on the Bagley, Fleming or Pellerin connections? Look forward to more news! If this is not the proper format for a beginning, let me know. Thanks.... Michael Bradford ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sun, 05 Jul 1998 19:40:57 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980705194057.00886100@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Rosa Lyons married to Martin Bagley Hey Michael! I don't think any of us are really concerned with much formalities around here! You done good! Jan At 07:48 PM 7/5/1998 EDT, you wrote: >Here's the basic rollcall info for me. I will amplify with details at later >time, if desired and appropriate. Hope this is the way you want it presented: > >John Lyons + Nancy Ahart > >David Lyons +Margaret Rebecca Merriman > >David Merriman Lyons + Euphemie Petre (Petry) > >Rosa Lyons + Martin Bagley > >John Joseph Bagley + Mary Maud Fleming > >Rose Mary Bagley + Frank Valsin Pellerin > >Michael Francis Bradford ( Frank Valsin Pellerin, Jr.) + Susan E. Kendall > >When and if all the details are required to properly record the information, >please advise. > >Can anyone expand on the Bagley, Fleming or Pellerin connections? > >Look forward to more news! If this is not the proper format for a beginning, >let me know. Thanks.... > >Michael Bradford > > > ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 00:11:50 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980706.001206.3286.60.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: JOHN REEVES/Michael Lyons Bible Record I need help with the relationship on the REEVES noted on page 6 of the record. John Reeves was the eldest? How does this family tie in? Other than Elizabeth Reeves I don't have a clue about where these others belong? Anybody know???? Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:35:55 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980706.001206.3286.58.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Photo or graphic On Sun, 05 Jul 1998 10:36:20 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >I think the closest thing to him we have is the land grant image that >is in the History of Acadia Pr. I would agree with Jan about the land grant image, I don't know if were gonna get anywhere on a photo of him...I wish we could. Valerie >> >>>BTW, I can now put photos into the archives. SO, if you have >>>some old photos of LYONS, I'll be happy to put them up. >> >>Remember, I'm still looking for an appropriate graphic for the John >Lyons >>Home Page. Any suggestions? >> >>David >>-- >>David Lawrence >>dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy >Research: >>Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com >>San Diego, California USA | >http://www.aznet.net/~davidl >>http://www.greyware.com/cccip >> >> >> > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 00:25:06 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980706.002511.3286.61.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Charlton Havard Lyons By the way---someone was asking earlier about his descendants. Charlton Havard Lyons did still have a son living in Grand Isle, Louisiana. His name is Hall McCord Lyons, he would be about 75 yrs old now, I looked him up when I discovered that his father had summited the family tree data into the LDS library. He sent me the orginal book that his dad put together so I could copy it , I then later drove down to meet him about 2 yrs ago, very nice man, just didn't remember or know too much about his dad's research. Maybe someone else might be able to jog his memory. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:26:14 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807061419.KAA22898@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: JOHN REEVES/Michael Lyons Bible Record Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of Reeves, can anybody out there tell me anything about Celeste Reeves? She was the first wife of a Lyons descendant, Thomas Marcellious Hasha. I found her first on the 1910 census, age 15, b. LA, as ward of Carlos LeBleu. It looked like her mother was the housekeeper, Mary L. Reeves, age 59, Wd. In 1900 her name was illegible, but there was a 5-year-old girl there, still in the Carlos LeBleu household, but the housekeeper was Luises (?) Reeves, age 50, Wd., mulatto (the child was white.) In 1880 of course Celeste wasn't there, but Mary was married to Edman Reeves, and the whole family was black. Hmmm. How does a family progress from black to white in 30 years? And who is Celeste Reeves? Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 09:59:18 -0500 From: "kellyt" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001f01bda8ee$a6b674a0$2977fcd0@kt-p2-300> Subject: Re: JOHN REEVES/Michael Lyons Bible Record Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmm......I'ld like to hear theories on this myself.......Jennifer Turner -----Original Message----- From: CR_AUSTIN To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 06, 1998 9:22 AM Subject: Re: JOHN REEVES/Michael Lyons Bible Record >Speaking of Reeves, can anybody out there tell me anything about Celeste >Reeves? She was the first wife of a Lyons descendant, Thomas Marcellious >Hasha. I found her first on the 1910 census, age 15, b. LA, as ward of >Carlos LeBleu. It looked like her mother was the housekeeper, Mary L. >Reeves, age 59, Wd. In 1900 her name was illegible, but there was a >5-year-old girl there, still in the Carlos LeBleu household, but the >housekeeper was Luises (?) Reeves, age 50, Wd., mulatto (the child was >white.) > In 1880 of course Celeste wasn't there, but Mary was married to Edman >Reeves, and the whole family was black. Hmmm. How does a family progress >from black to white in 30 years? And who is Celeste Reeves? >Carol Austin > > *************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 37 Today's Topics: #1 Message from VALERIE CUNDY-Listown [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #2 Obituary of ABEL LYONS [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #3 Obituary of GABRIEL LYONS [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #4 Obituary of ABEL LYONS [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #5 Obituary of EMILY LYONS [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #6 Re: Obituary of ABEL LYONS [Sharon ] #7 Obituary of EMILY LYONS [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #8 Re: Obituary of GABRIEL LYONS [Jan Craven ] #9 Obituary of MARY ANN BRYAN [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #10 Baptismal Record of JOHN LYONS [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #11 Baptismal Record of SAMUEL LYONS [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #12 Baptismal Record of GABRIEL LYONS [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #13 Re: Obituary of GABRIEL LYONS [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #14 Obituary of GABRIEL LYONS [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #15 Re: Baptismal Record of JOHN LYONS [Jan Craven ] #16 Re: Baptismal Record of JOHN LYONS [VCundy@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:28:49 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980706.194144.3286.67.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Message from VALERIE CUNDY-Listowner Is the goal of the group to combine our research efforts and collectively work to document the information on David L.'s web page? Which is a good goal, because it would help everyone of us. Or, is the goal to help one another with problems and questons with our research, and in the process add what we can to David's web page? Which is probably all that most of us have time to do. * * * I wanted to try and answer Sharon's question about the goal of this list. >First, I'm not really the person who determines what we accomplish >through the list, we together have that job. The reason I sponsored the >list is so that we can all come together and decide what we want to do >about & with the research of one family. We have endless opportunities >available to accomplish awesome things with the manpower on this list. >What, when, how, etc. is really up to the group to decide. Personally, I >would like to see a "LYONS" database, as Rosemary Carraway has mentioned, > created on our John Lyons web site. This would require each one of us >to start posting things like the "Michael Lyons Bible Record" to the >list and David could then start housing that at the web site. Even if it >didn't get to a database per say right now, it's being stored/archived in >rootsweb. ( I hope I said that right). Anyway, I see this list >accomplishing many things, our personal files can be included in the John >Lyons web site if you send them to David, I think that is probably the >easiest way to share our lines with each other. We can post documentated >material to the list for everyone here and anyone who visits the web >site and we can ask questions and share thoughts, theorys, etc. among us. > > >David.......straighten me out on anything I've mispoken about. I may >have had that dream about including the personal files on the www site >and not visited with you first :) > >In regards to documentated material...start posting...........I promise >you won't be wasting your time. > >Jan.....maybe you could give us a description of what documentated >material might include. Jan writes: Source materials are things that were created at the time of the event that give us dates and names of our ancestors. These would include Bible records cemetery records ie. tombstone inscriptions court records (marriage, property conveyance, deeds, abstracts, divorce, wills, probate/succession,) church records death records census records obituaries There are others, I am sure, but you get the idea. NOW, ......NONE of these are without flaws and errors. Bible records can be recorded years after the event has taken place which can deminish their authenticity....but not necessarily. It also depends on WHO the recorder is. Death records are like census records....only as good as the people involved in the recording. The person GIVING the info may not be a close relative because the close relatives were possible grief stricken....The cencus giver may not have had any teeth (which can distort sounds considerably) and the census taker could have been hard of hearing.....I think a combination of the two happened with some of my families!! Since David needs for some of this stuff to be housed in the LaGenWeb Archives, I want to tell you a little about it. It is a library online. Anyone can send in information. When I get the file I add a notice stating that this file can be copied by libraries and private individuals for their own personal use, but cannot be used in any commercial venture and cannot be placed anywhere else without the submitter's permission. I usually have an email address of the submitter and there is a link to that person on the table of contents where that file is housed. The USGenWeb Project is a not for profit group of volunteers and we are ALL fierce on keeping it a free service to everyone. If you have any questions about this, please feel free to ask. * * * >I hope I haven't sounded to confused.....I'm just trying to steer this >list in the direction I think would be of the most benefit to everyone. >If any of you have ideas, etc. please don't keep them to yourself....tell >us about it. > >Valerie > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:55:28 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980706.235530.3286.74.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Obituary of ABEL LYONS LCAP- 5-10-1916, p. l Box 62 Formerly Lived in Calcasieu. Abel Lyons, one of the older generation of the family which were pioneers in western Calcasieu, died at his home in Orange Monday night, aged 84 years. Mr. Lyons spent his youth in west Calcasieu, but moved to Liberty county, Texas, before the Civil war. He became a resident of Orange in 1874. Among the surviving relatives are his sisters, Mrs. Rebecca Saunders and Mrs. Emily Mabry of this parish. * * * (This Abel was s/o Abel Lyons and Mary Ann Bryan) Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:29:07 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980706.235530.3286.72.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Obituary of GABRIEL LYONS Lake Charles Echo, 13 July 1876 Vol. Vlll pg. 19 DIED: Lyons- At his residence on Plaquemine Brules, in St. Landry parish, July 2d, 1876, of congestion of the stomach, Gabriel Lyons. The deceased was one of the oldest and most respected citizens of St. Landry parish, an honest man, and a sincere Christian. His death is mourned by a large circle of relatives, and by hosts of friends. Peace to his ashes. * * * This Gabriel is s/o John and Nancy Ahart Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:48:08 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980706.235530.3286.73.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Obituary of ABEL LYONS Lake Charles Echo, 26 Sep 1868, p. l #33 Died--At his residence at Big Woods, in this parish, on Sunday, August 30th, 1868, ABEL LYONS, aged 62 years. Thus has passed away one of the oldest and best citizens of this parish. The deceased was born in Louisiana, and has resided in Calcasieu for the last thirty years. In the nobler qualities of human nature he had no superior. Honest, conscientious, hospitable and generous---a consisten member of the Baptist Church for the last ren or twelve years, he was respected and beloved by the entire community. The disease of which he died was of several years standing, but one which he endured with christian fortitude, and which left his mental faculties unimpaired up to the latest moment of life. He died in the calm assurance of a blissful immortality, ready and willing to depart, and surrounded by a large number of his near relations and friends. His funeral sermon will be preached at the Baptist Church at Big Woods to-morrow, by the Rev. Mr. Fancher. "And I am glad that he has lived thus long, And glad that he has gone to his reward, Nor deem that kindly Nature did him wrong, Softly to disengage the vital cord; When his weak hand grew palsied, and his eye Dim with the mists of age, it was his time to die." * * * (This Abel was the s/o Michael Lyons and Mary Hayes) * * * IMPERIAL CALCASIEU RECORDS, Vol l ANTIOCH PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH, by Vivian Hebert Swent pg. 79 #138 Abel Lyons / d. Aug. 30 1868/ age 62 years , 20 das. (old) #139 Able Lyons / d. Aug. 30 1868/ age 62 years, 20 das. (old) Note: Abel Lyons' headstone was broken, so his descendants had a new stone erected sometime in the late 1930's and used the old headstone for a footstone. Over the years, the two headstones have gotten side by side, the old one correctly spelling his first name and the other one with the incorrect spelling. * * * Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:09:02 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980707.004304.3286.75.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Obituary of EMILY LYONS Lake Charles Echo, 15 April 1882 p. XlV #6 Lyons--At her residence, Orange Co. Texas, on the 11th day, EMILY, wife of Abel B. Lyons, age 46 years and 27 days. The deceased was a consistant and faithful member of the Baptist Church for many years. She leaves a devoted and faithful husband. Seven affectionate children and a host of relatives and friends to mourn her death. * * * (This is likely the wife of Abel, s/o Abel Lyons and Mary Ann Bryan) Her maiden name may have been Welsh. Further research is needed to prove this. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 21:45:18 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35A1A7DE.1E89@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: Obituary of ABEL LYONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valerie, These three obits. are great, thanks for sending them. Sharon Shaw VALERIE L CUNDY wrote: > > Lake Charles Echo, 26 Sep 1868, p. l #33 > > Died--At his residence at Big Woods, in this parish, on Sunday, August > 30th, 1868, ABEL LYONS, aged 62 years. > Thus has passed away one of the oldest and best citizens of this parish. > The deceased was born in Louisiana, and has resided in Calcasieu for the > last thirty years. In the nobler qualities of human nature he had no > superior. Honest, conscientious, hospitable and generous---a consisten > member of the Baptist Church for the last ren or twelve years, he was > respected and beloved by the entire community. The disease of which he > died was of several years standing, but one which he endured with > christian fortitude, and which left his mental faculties unimpaired up to > the latest moment of life. He died in the calm assurance of a blissful > immortality, ready and willing to depart, and surrounded by a large > number of his near relations and friends. His funeral sermon will be > preached at the Baptist Church at Big Woods to-morrow, by the Rev. Mr. > Fancher. > "And I am glad that he has lived thus long, > And glad that he has gone to his reward, > Nor deem that kindly Nature did him wrong, > Softly to disengage the vital cord; > When his weak hand grew palsied, and his eye > Dim with the mists of age, it was his time to die." > > * * * > > (This Abel was the s/o Michael Lyons and Mary Hayes) > > * * * > > IMPERIAL CALCASIEU RECORDS, Vol l > ANTIOCH PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH, by Vivian Hebert Swent > pg. 79 > > #138 Abel Lyons / d. Aug. 30 1868/ age 62 years , 20 das. (old) > #139 Able Lyons / d. Aug. 30 1868/ age 62 years, 20 das. (old) > > Note: Abel Lyons' headstone was broken, so his descendants had a new > stone erected sometime in the late 1930's and used the old headstone for > a footstone. Over the years, the two headstones have gotten side by > side, the old one correctly spelling his first name and the other one > with the incorrect spelling. > > * * * > > Valerie Lyons Cundy > vcundy@juno.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 08:45:45 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980707.084553.3270.3.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Obituary of EMILY LYONS Lake Charles Echo, 15 April 1882 p. XlV #6 Lyons--At her residence, Orange Co. Texas, on the 11th day, EMILY, wife of Abel B. Lyons, age 46 years and 27 days. The deceased was a consistant and faithful member of the Baptist Church for many years. She leaves a devoted and faithful husband. Seven affectionate children and a host of relatives and friends to mourn her death. * * * (This is likely the wife of Abel, s/o Abel Lyons and Mary Ann Bryan) Her maiden name may have been Welsh. Further research is needed to prove this. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com M E E PŠ “˜˜ŸŽ Mf N ^ †] V­`s t ˜ Šl (r | y EM*H F’iŽ@ ö5 £ *d H–† Š < 0 €ª n`fE m€«\T)> €$9 8Ÿ a,)* œ„æs úoˆª › ¤ý t–H ¬ g8a ˆ:T ¢ # f \ƒ _e' *ö| › H ¨ š  G r97g•o _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:25:07 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980707082507.008bde60@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Obituary of GABRIEL LYONS Valerie. Gabriel the son of John and Nancy died in 1843. THIS Gabe is Gabe Jr., his son. Gabe d. 1843 left succession His succession, #1079, filed in St Landry parish on 9 Oct 1843, l ists his last residence as his plantation on the west side of Wikoff's Bayou in the Plaquemine Brulee area. Other land and 27 slaves are listed in the lengthy inventory. Does anyone have a "real" copy of this succ? Jan At 11:29 PM 7/6/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Lake Charles Echo, 13 July 1876 Vol. Vlll pg. 19 > >DIED: > >Lyons- At his residence on Plaquemine Brules, in St. Landry parish, July >2d, 1876, of congestion of the stomach, Gabriel Lyons. >The deceased was one of the oldest and most respected citizens of St. >Landry parish, an honest man, and a sincere Christian. His death is >mourned by a large circle of relatives, and by hosts of friends. >Peace to his ashes. > > * * * > >This Gabriel is s/o John and Nancy Ahart > > >Valerie Lyons Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:34:49 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980707.105734.3270.10.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Obituary of MARY ANN BRYAN DIED: LYONS---In this town, on Saturday, June 3, 1882, Mrs. Mary Ann Bryan, relict of the late ABel Lyons, in the 66th year of her age. * * * ( I can't tell what paper this was printed in) Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:19:12 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980707.105734.3270.7.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Baptismal Record of JOHN LYONS This is a copy of a record that states the following: WINSTON DEVILLE Easton, Louisiana Source: St. Martin Catholic Church, St. Martinville, Louisiana. Baptism. Type of Copy: Genealogical Abstract Baptism of John Lyons Son of John Lyons , who is a native of Georgia and son of Samuel Lyons of Germany. and Nancy Ahart. * * * _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:27:05 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980707.105734.3270.8.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Baptismal Record of SAMUEL LYONS CERTIFICATE OF BAPTISM Eglise St. Martin De Tours P.O. Box 71 St. Martinville, La 70582 THIS IS TO CERTIFY That: Samuel Lyons Child of: Juan Lyon and Ana Heat born in: (not given) 10 years of age BAPTIZED on the 16 day of June 1804 According to the Rite of the Roman Catholic Church by the Rev. Miguel Bernardo Barriere The sponsors being : Juan Lyon, and Rebeka ? as appears from the Baptismal Register of this church. dated 5/5/76 vol.6 #105 Pastor: K. Moovant (can't read spelling) * * * _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:30:21 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980707.105734.3270.9.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Baptismal Record of GABRIEL LYONS Baptismal Record of Gabriel Lyons, St. Martin de Tours Church, v. 4 #916, St. Martinville, La. Gabriel Layens (Gabriel Lyons) 17 August 1797, I , Migl. Berndo. Barriere, priest of St. Martin Church of the Post of Atakapas, baptised ......., an adult of the age of 12 years, legitimate son of Juan Layens (John Lyons), native of Gerogia, and Ana Ahart, native of the same province in America. Paternal grandparents Samuel Layens (Samuel Lyons) and ..............., native of Germany. Maternal grandparents ?? * * * _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:09:04 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980707.110942.3270.14.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Obituary of GABRIEL LYONS Good eye Jan, you are right.....Thanks for catching that!!!!!!! Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Tue, 07 Jul 1998 08:25:07 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >Valerie. >Gabriel the son of John and Nancy died in 1843. >THIS Gabe is Gabe Jr., his son. Gabe d. 1843 left succession > His succession, #1079, filed in St Landry parish on 9 Oct 1843, l >ists his last residence as his plantation on the west side of Wikoff's >Bayou >in the Plaquemine Brulee area. Other land and 27 slaves are listed >in >the lengthy inventory. >Does anyone have a "real" copy of this succ? >Jan >At 11:29 PM 7/6/1998 -0400, you wrote: >>Lake Charles Echo, 13 July 1876 Vol. Vlll pg. 19 >> >>DIED: >> >>Lyons- At his residence on Plaquemine Brules, in St. Landry parish, >July >>2d, 1876, of congestion of the stomach, Gabriel Lyons. >>The deceased was one of the oldest and most respected citizens of St. >>Landry parish, an honest man, and a sincere Christian. His death is >>mourned by a large circle of relatives, and by hosts of friends. >>Peace to his ashes. >> >> * * * >> >>This Gabriel is s/o John and Nancy Ahart >> >> >>Valerie Lyons Cundy >>vcundy@juno.com >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >>Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> >> >> > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 11:08:29 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980707.110942.3270.13.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Obituary of GABRIEL LYONS THIS IS THE CORRECTED COPY. Lake Charles Echo, 13 July 1876 Vol. Vlll pg. 19 DIED: Lyons- At his residence on Plaquemine Brules, in St. Landry parish, July 2d, 1876, of congestion of the stomach, Gabriel Lyons. The deceased was one of the oldest and most respected citizens of St. Landry parish, an honest man, and a sincere Christian. His death is mourned by a large circle of relatives, and by hosts of friends. Peace to his ashes. * * * (This Gabriel is s/o Gabriel Lyons and Amelia Hayes) Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #15 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 11:14:07 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980707111407.008cbc00@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Baptismal Record of JOHN LYONS Val, does this have any dates on it? Jan At 09:19 AM 7/7/1998 -0400, you wrote: >This is a copy of a record that states the following: > > > > > WINSTON DEVILLE > Easton, Louisiana > >Source: St. Martin Catholic Church, St. Martinville, >Louisiana. Baptism. > Type of Copy: Genealogical Abstract > > > >Baptism of John Lyons > >Son of John Lyons , who is a native of Georgia and son of > Samuel Lyons of Germany. > > and Nancy Ahart. > > > * * * ______________________________X-Message: #16 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 12:23:57 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: Baptismal Record of JOHN LYONS Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Nothing!!!!!! It appears that this was someones personal copy, It looks like in the very top left hand corner there was an address label, I can make out only what appears to be Crowley,La. on that address label. There are no dates or any other information other than what I copied. It does appear to be written on the letterhead of WINSTON DEVILLE, Easton,Louisiana. Valerie *************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 38 Today's Topics: #1 ADDRESS??? [VCundy@aol.com] #2 Re: Baptismal Record of GABRIEL LY [Jeremy A Fountain ] #10 Re: Message from List Owner: Valer [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #11 Re: Baptismal Record of GABRIEL LY ["kellyt" ] #12 Re: Baptismal Record of GABRIEL LY [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #13 Re: where is everybody?? [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #14 Re: photos ["Harold L Lawrence" ] #19 Speaking of Elmo's [Jan Craven ] #20 Re: photos ["Harold L Lawrence" Subject: ADDRESS??? Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone have the address to LIVINGSTON LAND & TITLE CO. located in Lakes Charles? I understand that you might be able to obtain the abstract from a probate record that was lost in the fire. You have to give them the probate number and name of the person. Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 17:02:33 -0500 From: Jeremy A Fountain To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980707170233.00803b20@mail.geocities.com> Subject: Re: Baptismal Record of GABRIEL LYONS At 09:30 AM 7/7/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Baptismal Record of Gabriel Lyons, St. Martin de Tours Church, v. 4 #916, >St. Martinville, La. > >Gabriel Layens (Gabriel Lyons) 17 August 1797, I , Migl. Berndo. >Barriere, priest of St. Martin Church of the Post of Atakapas, baptised >......., an adult of the age of 12 years, legitimate son of Juan Layens >(John Lyons), native of Gerogia, and Ana Ahart, native of the same >province in America. Paternal grandparents Samuel Layens (Samuel Lyons) >and ..............., native of Germany. Maternal grandparents ?? > > So is this a spelling mistake because they spelled like it sounded, or was "Layens" the original spelling that was later changed to "Lyons"? Jeremy A Fountain http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bay/7170 ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:46:51 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6176b972.35a29756@aol.com> Subject: Re: photos Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Joy,do you know anything about the Elmo Lyons that you have a picture of? WHO ARE HIS PARENTS?I have a cousin named Elmo and I believe my mother also had a cousin by that name.Ihave not been able to verify that.I am trying to find info on a gr.uncle Jimmie who went to Missouri and then Nebraska.I do not know his wife's name,but was told he had a son named Elmo.If you know about the elmo in the picture,please contact me at mhamm6102@aol.com Mary Hammond ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:12:50 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01bda9eb$ffc2b100$454b84d0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sent my 700+KB file which includes my Lyons, Merriman, Petry, Bagley lines but Valerie's Juno connection to the net won't take it. I'll be happy to share my file with anyone who wants it. harold lawrence -----Original Message----- From: David Swanson To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, July 04, 1998 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy >Valerie, I'm visualizing an electronic bibliography which would reference >everything all of us gather in our adventurous search for "Lyons" . >Someone in our group probably already has database software (ie. Paradox, >...) and might have the stamina to undertake this enormous task. Or >perhaps, Rootsweb or an existing location has room for us. In the future, >this could be the ultimate "Lyons" starting place for our future >generations of researchers. We could leave an electronic footprint. >Thanks for the interested response. >Rosemary Lyons Carraway >swanson@flash.net >---------- >> From: VALERIE L CUNDY ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:59:11 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2128-35A29A2F-118@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Baptismal Record of GABRIEL LYONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit That is Spanish not Mexican bst Castillian Juan Leyens JOY ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:10:37 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2123-35A29CDD-208@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Elmo Lee Lyons was a son of Bennet Washington & Cora Estelle Lyons He married Irene Perkins I think he lived in Vinton all his life Earl was his only son Elmo was gassed in WW I but was a quiet steady man JOY ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:13:08 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4a0cd57e.35a29d76@aol.com> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Harold,I would be happy to have the file youmentioned.Please send to MHamm6102@aol.com-Thanks Mary ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 16:59:53 -0500 From: "David Swanson" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807072216.RAA02965@endeavor.flash.net> Subject: Re: ADDRESS??? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valerie, I'm travelling to Lake Charles tomorrow. I am planning to go to Livingston Title. What do you need? Rosemary Lyons Carraway swanson@flash.net ---------- > From: VCundy@aol.com > To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: ADDRESS??? > Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 1:10 PM > > Does anyone have the address to LIVINGSTON LAND & TITLE CO. located in Lakes > Charles? > > I understand that you might be able to obtain the abstract from a probate > record that was lost in the fire. You have to give them the probate number and > name of the person. > > Valerie > ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:00:28 -0500 From: "kellyt" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000a01bda9f2$a76c14e0$c812fed0@kt-p2-300> Subject: Re: where is everybody?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi.......just out of curiosity.....I was wondering how far the branches of the John Lyons Tree had stretched....as for myself, my branch stayed in Louisiana until me.........I'm a Texan :) Jennifer ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:41:44 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <12657-35A2A428-20@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Message from List Owner: Valerie Cundy Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Put the family line on paper. There is a lot of us without all that software Mail box etc does books on spiral binders that are very reasonable and people can buy them to defray cost Of course put it into a data base too stop & think "what would you have if no one had written it all down for you?" Sell them at reunions JOY ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:09:30 -0500 From: "kellyt" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001b01bda9f3$ea9dd040$c812fed0@kt-p2-300> Subject: Re: Baptismal Record of GABRIEL LYONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what does bst Castillian mean? .......pardon my ignorance..........Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: Joy Moore To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Baptismal Record of GABRIEL LYONS That is Spanish not Mexican bst Castillian Juan Leyens JOY ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:00:35 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <12663-35A2B6A3-119@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Baptismal Record of GABRIEL LYONS Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Castillian is proper HIGH CLASS of spanish used by the Royalty, nobles, & church in those times As someone reminded us the other day Fla was Spanish About that time France & Spain were arguing over La France won , then later sold La, NUFF HISTORY !!!! JOY ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:03:48 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <12667-35A2B764-21@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: where is everybody?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I am Joy Moore now in Texas, my Brother, Lyn Del Davis is in Colo JOY ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 18:27:49 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01bda9fe$daf7c460$454b84d0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of Elmos, Vester Elmo Lawrence was the grandson of Rose Lyons. Perhaps the name has earlier connections. ???? harold lawrence -----Original Message----- From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 4:47 PM Subject: Re: photos >Joy,do you know anything about the Elmo Lyons that you have a picture of? >WHO ARE HIS PARENTS?I have a cousin named Elmo and I believe my mother also >had a cousin by that name.Ihave not been able to verify that.I am trying >to find info on a gr.uncle Jimmie who went to Missouri and then Nebraska.I do >not know his wife's name,but was told he had a son named Elmo.If you know >about the elmo in the picture,please contact me at mhamm6102@aol.com >Mary Hammond > ______________________________X-Message: #15 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:56:04 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <12658-35A2C3A4-550@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: tue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Whoever is going to Lake Charles Livingjton Title Co we need copy of abstract of probate # 690 on James Gray to maybe tie some loose ends You can send any info to me THANKS JOY ______________________________X-Message: #16 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:20:54 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980707.212056.3342.9.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Are you having fun yet? I don't know about ya'll........but I really enjoy all of this communication. I will be out of town until Monday of next week, so have fun and I'll catch up then. Valerie _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #17 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:14:36 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980707.212056.3342.8.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: where is everybody?? I still have several relatives in Vinton, Louisiana, many of them settled in Texas, and a few of us are elsewhere....me in Kentucky ! Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 17:00:28 -0500 "kellyt" writes: >Hi.......just out of curiosity.....I was wondering how far the >branches of >the John Lyons Tree had stretched....as for myself, my branch stayed >in >Louisiana until me.........I'm a Texan :) Jennifer > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #18 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 20:57:00 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980707205700.00893930@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: ADDRESS??? I guess since I am in LC, I'll have to answer this. I am not aware that they have those probate records. Anyway they are Levingston Land Title Co, Inc 110 W. Kirby St. LC, La 70601 Phone: 318-439-5921 Jan At 02:10 PM 7/7/1998 EDT, you wrote: >Does anyone have the address to LIVINGSTON LAND & TITLE CO. located in Lakes >Charles? > >I understand that you might be able to obtain the abstract from a probate >record that was lost in the fire. You have to give them the probate number and >name of the person. > >Valerie > > > ______________________________X-Message: #19 Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:08:58 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980707210858.00895100@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Speaking of Elmo's >From Jan in Lake Charles, LA. There is an Elmo Lyons who lives about 5 miles up the road from me. I have visited with him and his wife. Naturally, they are wonderful folks! At 06:27 PM 7/7/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Speaking of Elmos, Vester Elmo Lawrence was the grandson of Rose Lyons. >Perhaps the name has earlier connections. ???? harold lawrence > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mhamm6102@aol.com >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 4:47 PM >Subject: Re: photos > > >>Joy,do you know anything about the Elmo Lyons that you have a picture of? >>WHO ARE HIS PARENTS?I have a cousin named Elmo and I believe my mother also >>had a cousin by that name.Ihave not been able to verify that.I am trying >>to find info on a gr.uncle Jimmie who went to Missouri and then Nebraska.I >do >>not know his wife's name,but was told he had a son named Elmo.If you know >>about the elmo in the picture,please contact me at mhamm6102@aol.com >>Mary Hammond >> > > > ______________________________X-Message: #20 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 22:18:28 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01bdaa1f$13583d60$454b84d0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why wasn't he a Washington? Took his mother's name? h -----Original Message----- From: Joy Moore To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 5:10 PM Subject: Re: photos Elmo Lee Lyons was a son of Bennet Washington & Cora Estelle Lyons He married Irene Perkins I think he lived in Vinton all his life Earl was his only son Elmo was gassed in WW I but was a quiet steady man JOY ______________________________X-Message: #21 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 04:55:45 -0500 From: "David Swanson" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807081017.FAA29550@endeavor.flash.net> Subject: Re: tue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joy, I'm going to Lake Charles this morning. I will request #690 for you. I'll be back sometime Friday. Will report back then. Rosemary Lyons Carraway swanson@flash.net ---------- > From: Joy Moore > To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: tue > Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 7:56 PM > > Whoever is going to Lake Charles > Livingjton Title Co we need copy > of abstract of probate # 690 on > James Gray to maybe tie some loose > ends You can send any info to me > THANKS > > JOY > ______________________________X-Message: #22 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 06:53:59 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <626-35A35DD7-30@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: photos Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I'm sorry just assumed everyone knew about Bennet W Lyons He lived such a long time in Vinton JOY ************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 39 Today's Topics: #1 Re: tue [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #2 Re: where is everybody?? ["CR_AUSTIN" ] #4 Re: where is everybody?? [Jan Craven ] #5 Re: where is everybody?? [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #6 Where is everybody? [Sharon ] #7 Fw: Where is everybody? ["Harold L Lawrence" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 07:31:03 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <626-35A36687-161@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: tue Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit THANKS Jan says the are a pill to work with GOOD LUCK JOY ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 05:59:14 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807081305.JAA103764@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: where is everybody?? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of the Hasha branch of the Lyons family, only one son stayed in Louisiana; the other 13 children moved to Texas, and about 5 or 6 of them moved on to California. They were all in the oil business, and many of them settled near Bakersfield. A couple of us are further south, in Orange County and San Diego. Still some Hashas in Sulpher, LA and lots in Texas. Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 06:39:02 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980708063902.0073b498@mail> Subject: Re: where is everybody?? I grew up in Acadia Parish, moved to New Orleans where I lived for 30 years, and have recently moved to southern California. Incidently, last weekend because of this Lyons listserver and Internet thing, cousin Carol (Austin) and I met in person. One can meet good folks via the Internet. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:48:57 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980708104857.0088ca20@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: where is everybody?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi cuzzies! We have desc of William all over the place. LA, Calif, TX, AL, SC, are just SOME of the places that I know of. YES, you can meet good folks via internet. I am leaving the house in a few minutes to meet our own Rosemary Caraway at the gen. branch of our library here in Lake Charles. LA! She and I get together as often as possible and have restored two old broken tombstones as well as digging around in the library and showing her historical "family" sites here in Calc. pr. How can ANYONE have so much fun?? Jan At 06:39 AM 7/8/1998 -0700, you wrote: >I grew up in Acadia Parish, moved to New Orleans where I lived for 30 >years, and have recently moved to southern California. > >Incidently, last weekend because of this Lyons listserver and Internet >thing, cousin Carol (Austin) and I met in person. One can meet good folks >via the Internet. > >David >-- >David Lawrence >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: >Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com >San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl >http://www.greyware.com/cccip > > > ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:45:31 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980708.150324.3574.0.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: where is everybody?? Good for you guys........I just get "warm fuzzy feelings" when I hear things like that! Valerie > >Incidently, last weekend because of this Lyons listserver and Internet >thing, cousin Carol (Austin) and I met in person. One can meet good >folks >via the Internet. > >David >-- >David Lawrence >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy >Research: >Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com >San Diego, California USA | >http://www.aznet.net/~davidl >http://www.greyware.com/cccip > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 14:18:27 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35A3E223.2887@pacbell.net> Subject: Where is everybody? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I live in the Los Angeles area, along with three brothers and two sisters and their families. Sharon Shaw ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:58:48 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <01bdaabb$959024e0$6f4b84d0@Plawrence> Subject: Fw: Where is everybody? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I retired last year from the 403d Air Wing of which the 53d Weather Squadron is a part, better known as "The Hurricane Hunters"and live in Ocean Springs, MS with my Chocolate Lab, Duke, who is now recovering from a 12 June alligator attack in which he got over 100 stitches and a punctured lung. He somehow got free of the 'gator and is now recovering well. But the silly fool still loves the water. My ancestor is Rose LYONS, b. 1858-3 Jan 1891-Martin Bagley, David M. Lyons-Euphemie PETRY; David Lyons-Margaret R MERRIMAN; John Lyons, Nancy AHART. harold lawrence -----Original Message----- From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 4:17 PM Subject: Where is everybody? >I live in the Los Angeles area, along with three brothers and two >sisters and their families. > >Sharon Shaw > ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:59:52 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980708195952.00844970@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: David Lanbert/Emily Lyons Fam. Bible Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is a Bible record from "Be It Known and Remembered" . Volume two pp 179-181. A book that was put out by the La Gen Hist Soc. LAMBERT FAMILY BIBLE This Bible is in the possession of Mrs. Kizzie Brashier Epperson, 3246 Washington Ave., Baker, Louisiana. Copied March 24, 1961 by Anne Harvey Daniel. Bible is in bad condition; title page of Old Testament is missing. Title page of New Testament: "THE NEW TESTAMENT OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST, TRANSLATED OUT OF THE ORIGINAL GREEK: AND WITH THE FORMER TRANSLATIONS DILIGENTLY COMPARED AND REVISED." "Let There Be Light" printed inside drawing at bottom of this page. No date or publisher, but preceding Old Testament are a series of articles on Biblical topics, several of which bear the legend "entered according to the Act of Congress, in the year 1873, by A. J. Holman & Co., in the Office of the Librarian of Congress, at Washington"; ditto "in the year 1875..." Writers of these articles include: Rev. Wm. H. Munroe, Rev. F. B. Jackson; Rev. W. Houghton, M.A.; Rev. Dr. Samuel Cox; Rev. Alfred Nevin 31 D.D.; Rev. G.F. Maclear, D.D. Marriage Certificate: "THIS CERTIFIES That David Lambert & Emily Lyons Were solemnly united by me in the Hold bond - of Matrimony at Orange Texas on the 22 day of December in the year of our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred and 53 conformably to the Ordinance of God, and the Laws of the State. In Presence of (Not signed). Signed: (not signed) BIRTHS David Lambert the Son of Benjmin Lambert Born of Christein Gottliegy (?)his Wife March the 28, 1830 Emily Lyons Daughter of John Lyons Born of Amanda Stanton his Wife November the 1, 1837 Adela Lambert Daughter of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons His Wife April the 3,1855 Charles Wesley Lambert Son of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons his Wife April the 17,1857 John Lawrence Lambert Son of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons His Wife March the 30, 1859 Emily Lambert Daughter of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons his Wife September the 9, 1861 Ernistine Amelia Lambert Daughter of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons his Wife June the 22, 1864 James Montford Lambert Son of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons His Wife February the 9, 1867 Memoranda: Benjmin Artiss Lambert Son of David Lambert Born of Emily his Wife January the 9, 1870 Vida Lue Lambert Daughter of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons his Wife February the 25, 1872 Lilly Amanda Lambert Daughter of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons His Wife August the 9, 1874 Festus Stanton Lambert Son of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons his Wife May the 5, 1877. DEATHS Benjmin Artiss Lambert Son of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons His Wife Died August the 25, 1872 James Montford Lambert Son of David Lambert Born of Emily Lyons his Wife Died June the 12 1883 Emily Lyons Wife of David Lambert Died January the 12, 1884 Mrs. Adela Lambert Golding. Died Oct 4 1920 John Laurence Lambert died Feb 25 (no year shown) (pencil entry) David Lambert Nov. 1-1901 Vida Lambert Wallace - July 7, 1942 Ernestine Amelia Lambert Tucker (no further data) Emily Lambert Brashier, Dec. 11-194(7?) (torn) Charles Wesley Lambert (no further data) MARRIAGES Archibald Stuart McNeill born April 21, 1861 and Mary Ann McNeill born June 22, 1872 married Oct 21, 1891 Herndon Laurence McNeill born Oct 19, 1892 Addie Golding McNeill born Jan 1, 1894 Archibald Stuart McNeill born Dec 19, 1895 Bruce Edgar McNeill born Nov 2, 1897 Helen Mildred McNeill born Aug 26, 1907 ************************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 40 Today's Topics: #1 LYONS/STANTON CONNECTIONS [Sharon ] #2 Re: Speaking of Elmo's [Mhamm6102@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 04:42:54 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35A5FE3E.5BAD@pacbell.net> Subject: LYONS/STANTON CONNECTIONS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are three Stantons on our list. I thought the following might fill in some of our missing information. * * * * * * * "The Order of the First Families of Mississippi 1699-1817", edited by Charles Owen Johnson, 1981, published by Edwards Brothers, Inc., Ann Arbor, MI 48104, pg. 73 MALACHI STANTON (STAUNTON) He resided in Adams Co., MS as early as 1810. He was born in South Carolina on 18 Oct. 1772 and died in Louisiana about 1836. He married Sarah McManus in Richmond Co., GA on 19 Mar. 1800. She was born in Virginia or North Carolina on 26 Jan. 1777 and died in Louisiana in 1853. Children of Malachi and Sarah Stanton were: John Stanton, b. 5 Mar. 1804 Diedima Stanton, b. 29 Mar. 1807, m. Joseph Clark Amanda Stanton, b. 18 Feb. 1812, m. John Lyons, Jr. Adelah Stanton, b. 26 Mr. 1814, m. Samuel Lyons Mary Ann Stanton, b. 2 Sep. 1816, m. Mr. Richards Oscar Stanton, b. 1809 * * * * * * * The above John Stanton is on our list as John F. Stanton, who married Hannah, dau. of Elizabeth (Lyons) and David Harmon. Sharon ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 16:19:05 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8cec8d08.35a6773b@aol.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of Elmo's Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My 1st cousin, Elmo Lyons lives out from Perkins La. near the crown point cemetery where my great grandparents are buried-Oscar and Minerva Perkins Lyons. My grandparents, Allen J.and Josephine R.Lyons are buried in DeQuincy where I was raised. I now live in Tyler ,Tx. with my husband Grant who is retired Petroleum Engr. Had 4 children-two boys ;later, two girls. The girls live in the Dallas Metroplex, one son in Austin and one enroute to moving from Hawaii back to Texas. He and His family will be living in Corpus Christi, after they are settled. At present they are here visiting us. Busy, busy. Later I will begin contributing again, but for now, just enjoying the grandchildren, cooking a lot and entertaining them. Keep up the good work!! Mary Hammond ***************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 41 Today's Topics: #1 Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #39 whe [Chickamaw@aol.com] #2 Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #39 whe ["Lynn & Bill King" ] #4 Isaac Lyons ["CR_AUSTIN" ] #6 Re: Isaac Lyons [David Lawrence ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:23:43 EDT From: Chickamaw@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #39 where is everybody? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I was born in St. Martin Parish, S. La., and since I married (1951), I have lived south of Alexandria, La., near Lecompte. I am Elizabeth Singleton Gaiennie (gain yay), known as "Betty." My Lyons connection is my mother's paternal grandmother. ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:06:37 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001701bdad28$f1f67580$7ee290d1@default> Subject: Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #39 where is everybody? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elizabeth, I knew a Gaiennie from Baton Rouge, a banker, about 1970 or so. I was with Preston State Bank in Dallas at the time. Seems that his name might have been Charles, but not certain. Any relationship ?? Bill King of Houston Husband of Lynn Bagley King, a Lyons descendant. ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:04:30 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980711200429.006cfb60@mail> Subject: Merriman query Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Everyone: I received the following query from someone who saw the John Lyons pages and my other WWW files. Does anyone have any information that could help? ---- Message begins: I saw your home page that includes info on John I. Merriman and his wife Mary A. Berwick. I was told by one researcher that they may be the parents of my ancestor Sarah Merriman b 1814 in LA. Her brother (first name unk) operated a steamboat on the Trinity River above Palestine Tx. She mrd Humphrey Jackson ca 1820; he was from Ireland and was in LA as early as 1809. He was w/ the Stephen F. Austin colony in 1823. Sarah was dead by 1826. They had 4 children: John, James, another son and a dtr. Any ideas on Sarah Merriman? Message ends --- Thanks, David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:01:14 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807121653.MAA47204@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Isaac Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know anything about Isaac Lyons, b. about Dec. 1852 (per 1900 census) in Louisiana? He married about 1878 Theodocia Ernestine Hasha, probably in Calcasieu Parish. I need his parents, date of birth, etc. I suspect he's a John Lyons descendant, as Theodocia was. Any help will be appreciated. Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:57:13 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35A8EAE9.66D5@pacbell.net> Subject: VIRGINIA O'BRYAN RECORDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone seen Virginia O'Bryan's genealogy collection? She researched many of the LA folks, including the Berwicks and Merrimans for certain, and, I think, the Lyonses. She was supposedly a very good researcher and throughly documented her work. She left 200! notebooks to the Heritage Library, in Wallisville, TX. The Mormons microfilmed the collection, but, and I find this very odd, they will not loan the films to the Family History Centers, one must go to Salt Lake to see the records. I will be happy to write to Wallisville for information, but if someone has knowledge of the collection, or is near enough to go look at it, it might save time. Thanks. Sharon ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:03:39 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980712100338.00731240@mail> Subject: Re: Isaac Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:01 AM 7/12/98 -0700, Carol Austin wrote: >Does anybody know anything about Isaac Lyons, b. about Dec. 1852 (per 1900 >census) in Louisiana? He married about 1878 Theodocia Ernestine Hasha, >probably in Calcasieu Parish. Isaac Lyons born c 1853 son of Gabriel (Abel) Lyons and Mary Ann Bryan married Theodocia. They were 1st cousins, once removed. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ******************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 42 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Isaac Lyons [David Lawrence ] #2 Re: Merriman query [LV Hayes ] #5 Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #39 whe ["kellyt" ] #6 Re: David Lanbert/Emily Lyons Fam. [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #7 Re: Merriman query [Sharon ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:57:20 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980712105719.007472dc@mail> Subject: Re: Isaac Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:03 AM 7/12/98 -0700, I wrote: >Isaac Lyons born c 1853 son of Gabriel (Abel) Lyons and Mary Ann Bryan >married Theodocia. They were 1st cousins, once removed. I guess that you will want to know the source of my information. My Aunt Gladys talked with several children of Anthony Golden and Dora C. Lyons in the late 1950s and early 1960s. She wrote that Isaac married his first cousin "Theocia" or "Dosie". David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:29:07 From: LV Hayes To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980712142907.2f8728a4@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Merriman query Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ref the appended message. Do you have the e-mail address of the person interested in Humphrey Jackson? Someone else queried me a few days ago about someone looking for info on Humphrey, and it's probably the same person, but no e-mail address was given, either. I have a little info on Humphrey, but have contacts who may know more. He was married first to Elizabeth White, and the White researchers may have additional info of interest to the searcher since some of the Whites also went to TX at the same time Humphrey did. LV Hayes lvhayes@worldnet.att.net >Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:04:30 -0700 >From: David Lawrence >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980711200429.006cfb60@mail> >Subject: Merriman query >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Everyone: > >I received the following query from someone who saw the John Lyons pages >and my other WWW files. Does anyone have any information that could help? > >---- >Message begins: >I saw your home page that includes info on John I. Merriman and his wife >Mary A. Berwick. I was told by >one researcher that they may be the parents of my ancestor Sarah Merriman b >1814 in LA. Her brother >(first name unk) operated a steamboat on the Trinity River above Palestine >Tx. She mrd Humphrey Jackson >ca 1820; he was from Ireland and was in LA as early as 1809. He was w/ the >Stephen F. Austin colony >in 1823. Sarah was dead by 1826. They had 4 children: John, James, >another son and a dtr. >Any ideas on Sarah Merriman? >Message ends >--- > >Thanks, >David > > >-- >David Lawrence >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: >Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com >San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl >http://www.greyware.com/cccip ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:02:57 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807121855.OAA26878@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Isaac Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks David. You're wonderful! Now, do you know anything about their children? Viona, b. Jan. 1880 was probably married by 1900, and may have been deceased by 1910 when it looks like Theodocia said she had had 3 children, 1 living. Isaiah Emore Lyons b. 12 Jan 1882 married Mellanee Garner and had at least Ruby 1914 and Floyd Tillman Dec 1918. Ernest was born June 1888 and I didn't find him in Texas after 1900. Any help is more than welcome. Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:55:22 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980712115520.0077fb34@mail> Subject: Re: Merriman query Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:29 PM 7/12/98, you wrote: >Ref the appended message. > >Do you have the e-mail address of the person interested in Humphrey Jackson? Here it is: "Michael Ann Coker" There was also a query about Sarah Merriman. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:17:12 -0500 From: "kellyt" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000601bdadd2$12fab6c0$c377fcd0@kt-p2-300> Subject: Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #39 where is everybody? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey .....have you worked on your Singleton line yet? I have a Marie Francis Singleton that I am trying to get past.......do you have this name in your files? Let me know ........Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: Chickamaw@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 1998 6:25 PM Subject: Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #39 where is everybody? >I was born in St. Martin Parish, S. La., and since I married (1951), I have >lived south of Alexandria, La., near Lecompte. I am Elizabeth Singleton >Gaiennie (gain yay), known as "Betty." My Lyons connection is my mother's >paternal grandmother. > ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:13:00 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980713.004527.4310.0.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: David Lanbert/Emily Lyons Fam. Bible Jan this is really great stuff.....Keep it coming!!!!!!! Anyone know who these McNeill' s belong too???????? Valerie > >MARRIAGES > >Archibald Stuart McNeill born April 21, 1861 and Mary Ann McNeill born >June >22, 1872 married Oct 21, 1891 >Herndon Laurence McNeill born Oct 19, 1892 >Addie Golding McNeill born Jan 1, 1894 >Archibald Stuart McNeill born Dec 19, 1895 >Bruce Edgar McNeill born Nov 2, 1897 >Helen Mildred McNeill born Aug 26, 1907 > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:18:49 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35A9A6C9.5F4A@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: Merriman query Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LV, Yes, the lady that wrote about Merrimans is named Michael Ann Coker, cokerma@worldnet.att.net. Sharon LV Hayes wrote: > > Ref the appended message. > > Do you have the e-mail address of the person interested in Humphrey Jackson? > > Someone else queried me a few days ago about someone looking for info on > Humphrey, and it's probably the same person, but no e-mail address was > given, either. > > I have a little info on Humphrey, but have contacts who may know more. He > was married first to Elizabeth White, and the White researchers may have > additional info of interest to the searcher since some of the Whites also > went to TX at the same time Humphrey did. > > LV Hayes > lvhayes@worldnet.att.net > > >Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:04:30 -0700 > >From: David Lawrence > >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980711200429.006cfb60@mail> > >Subject: Merriman query > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >Everyone: > > > >I received the following query from someone who saw the John Lyons pages > >and my other WWW files. Does anyone have any information that could help? > > > >---- > >Message begins: > >I saw your home page that includes info on John I. Merriman and his wife > >Mary A. Berwick. I was told by > >one researcher that they may be the parents of my ancestor Sarah Merriman b > >1814 in LA. Her brother > >(first name unk) operated a steamboat on the Trinity River above Palestine > >Tx. She mrd Humphrey Jackson > >ca 1820; he was from Ireland and was in LA as early as 1809. He was w/ the > >Stephen F. Austin colony > >in 1823. Sarah was dead by 1826. They had 4 children: John, James, > >another son and a dtr. > >Any ideas on Sarah Merriman? > >Message ends > >--- > > > >Thanks, > >David > > > > > >-- > >David Lawrence > >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: > >Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com > >San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl > >http://www.greyware.com/cccip ************************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 43 Today's Topics: #1 Re: David Lanbert/Emily Lyons Fam. [Jan Craven ] #2 Imperial Calcasieu Records- CHURCH [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #3 Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #39 whe [Jan Craven ] #4 Marriage Record of Francis A. Male [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #5 Re: Imperial Calcasieu Records- CH [Mhamm6102@aol.com] #6 Re: Imperial Calcasieu Records- CH [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #7 Re: Imperial Calcasieu Records- CH [Jan Craven ] #8 Re: Merriman query [Sharon ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:00:08 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713080008.00899c00@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: David Lanbert/Emily Lyons Fam. Bible Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks, I tried to figure out who they were when I saw the record. I don't have a single McNeill in my database and the Bible records gives no clues. Educated guess would be one of the daughters m. a McNeill and her mar is not in there. and she got the book and put her fam in there. BUT WHY DIDN'T SHE TELL US WHO SHE WAS??? How rude! Anyone??? Jan At 12:13 AM 7/13/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Jan this is really great stuff.....Keep it coming!!!!!!! > >Anyone know who these McNeill' s belong too???????? > >Valerie >> >>MARRIAGES >> >>Archibald Stuart McNeill born April 21, 1861 and Mary Ann McNeill born >>June >>22, 1872 married Oct 21, 1891 >>Herndon Laurence McNeill born Oct 19, 1892 >>Addie Golding McNeill born Jan 1, 1894 >>Archibald Stuart McNeill born Dec 19, 1895 >>Bruce Edgar McNeill born Nov 2, 1897 >>Helen Mildred McNeill born Aug 26, 1907 >> >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:27:14 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980713.102715.3294.1.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Imperial Calcasieu Records- CHURCH LAND On page XIV, heading CHURCH LAND, Vivian Swent, May 1966, writes the following: * * * John Bryan, born July 16, 1803, in St. Landry Parish, Louisiana, died 1842, in Liberty County, Texas, was the son of Luke Bryan, Sr., and Rebecca M. Berwick. Just prior to 1824, he moved to Calcasieu Parish, Louisiana, where he settled with three of his brothers-in-law, Richard West, William Prather and Abel Lyons. Thomas Bilbo, William Neeler and Nevil Barrett were also members of the same settlement. By July of 1824, John Bryan was married to Nancy Ann Lyons, born October 12, 1810, on Bayou Quere de Tortue, near Gueydon, Louisiana, the daughter of Michael Lyons and Mary "Polly" Hayes. John Bryan served in Franklin Hardin's COmpany in the Texas Revolutionary War from July 7th to October 7th, 1836. He moved his family to Texas shortly after and remained there until his death.. By 1847, his widow had returned to Calcasieu Parish with some of her children. There she remarried, on January 25, 1849, Jacob E. Harmon, son of Jacob and Catherine Harmon. It is most likely that John and Nancy Lyons Bryan gave the 25 acre tract to Antioch Primitive Baptist Church at the time they moved to Texas in 1836 or 1837, but there are no CHurch minutes for these years, Nor are there minutes showing the later division of membership and property. Oddly enough, none of the Bryan family ever belonged to Antioch Church. One of the Bryan children who returned to Calcasieu Parish was Col. James W. Bryan. He was a school teacher and served as a Captain of Company I, 28th Louisiana Infantry, in the War Between the States. Later he was the editor of the Lake Charles "Echo" and lived in Lake Charles until his death in 1899. It is he who is said to have given the land to the church, but this is impossible. The first known burial in the cemetery is that of Hardy Coward, August 16, 1844. At this time Col. James W. Bryan was about fourteen years old. The Lake Charles fire in 1910 destroyed the Parish records, and in 1915, affidavits were made that Col. James W. Bryan had been the donor and the gift was confirmed by his eight living children. In spite of these, the timing makes it apparent that the actual donors were John Bryan and Nancy Lyons Bryan. References: Michael Lyons Bible; Calcasieu Parish 1850 Census; Louisiana Parish Records; Lafayette Succ. #111, Civil Suit #1931 and Calcasieu Affidavits of Leon Chavanne and O. Jennings Gill; Liberty County Texas Court Records; Affidavits of B.F. Sterling and Laura May Clark; Perrin, History of Southwestern Louisiana. * * * Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:25:26 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713182526.00891230@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #39 where is everybody? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, ya'll, We need to go visit Betty. Lecompte has a little diner that has the BEST pies in the state! Jan At 07:23 PM 7/11/1998 EDT, you wrote: >I was born in St. Martin Parish, S. La., and since I married (1951), I have >lived south of Alexandria, La., near Lecompte. I am Elizabeth Singleton >Gaiennie (gain yay), known as "Betty." My Lyons connection is my mother's >paternal grandmother. > > > ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:28:28 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980713.212829.3270.1.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Marriage Record of Francis A. Maley and Emily Lyons I have a copy of this marriage record and don't know who this Emily belongs to. SO here it is...If anyone knows, please advise. Thanks * * * State of Louisiana, Parish of St. Landry #3963-1868 Be it known by these presents, that FRANCIS A MALEY asas principal, and ________ Bruner as security, both of the Parish of St. Landry are held and firmly bound unto the __________ Governor of the State of Louisiana and to his successors in office, in the sum of one thousand dollars, for this payment of which, well and truly to be made they hereby find themselves, their heirs, administrators, and executors, jointly and severally. In testimony whereof they have hereunto signed their names, this 23rd day of March 1868. The condition of the above obligation is such, time that whereas the above bound FRANCIS A MALEY has this day obtained license to marry MISS EMILY LYONS of the Parish of St. Landry. Now therefore if there should hereafter appear no legal impediment to said marriage, tehn and in that case this obligation to be null and void; otherwise to remain in full force and virtue in law. SIGNED: Francis A Maley ______ Bruner Bride is 23 years old * * * Next page is hand written and very hard to read, appears to be the writing of a minister. Signatures are that of F.A. Maley, Emily Lyons, 3 additonal that are unreadable and that of a J.C. Lyons Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:54:31 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <44de4cde.35aaba58@aol.com> Subject: Re: Imperial Calcasieu Records- CHURCH LAND Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Perhaps the land was given by John Bryan,but the plaque on the church should tell.I know that Reese Perkins founded the church in the cemetery and the lumber was milled at my Gr.Grandfather's mill at Crown Point and hauled over to Big Woods-quite a feat in those days.Most of his lumber (logs) were floated down the river to Westlake or Lake Charles but for the church, it had to be taken overland. Hardy Coward ,the Perkins ,and Lyons were all related by marriage. ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:10:36 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <12712-35AABE1C-71@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Imperial Calcasieu Records- CHURCH LAND Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I understand from a cousin that the church burned last Thanksgiving eve Is it true? JOY ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:56:12 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713215612.008a0d10@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Imperial Calcasieu Records- CHURCH LAND Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mary is right. BTW, the church that was on the cem. ground was burned last winter by three young kids (19 or 20) from Westlake. That was not the original church that our ancestors built, but was on the site and had been there since as far back as I can remember (late 40's). It just broke my heart! Jan At 09:54 PM 7/13/1998 EDT, you wrote: >Perhaps the land was given by John Bryan,but the plaque on the church should >tell.I know that Reese Perkins founded the church in the cemetery and the >lumber was milled at my Gr.Grandfather's mill at Crown Point and hauled over >to Big Woods-quite a feat in those days.Most of his lumber (logs) were floated >down the river to Westlake or Lake Charles but for the church, it had to be >taken overland. >Hardy Coward ,the Perkins ,and Lyons were all related by marriage. > > > ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:57:28 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35AAF348.79D3@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: Merriman query Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LV Hayes wrote: > > Ref the appended message. > > Do you have the e-mail address of the person interested in Humphrey Jackson? > > Someone else queried me a few days ago about someone looking for info on > Humphrey, and it's probably the same person, but no e-mail address was > given, either. > > I have a little info on Humphrey, but have contacts who may know more. He > was married first to Elizabeth White, and the White researchers may have > additional info of interest to the searcher since some of the Whites also > went to TX at the same time Humphrey did. > > LV Hayes > lvhayes@worldnet.att.net > > >Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:04:30 -0700 > >From: David Lawrence > >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980711200429.006cfb60@mail> > >Subject: Merriman query > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >Everyone: > > > >I received the following query from someone who saw the John Lyons pages > >and my other WWW files. Does anyone have any information that could help? > > > >---- > >Message begins: > >I saw your home page that includes info on John I. Merriman and his wife > >Mary A. Berwick. I was told by > >one researcher that they may be the parents of my ancestor Sarah Merriman b > >1814 in LA. Her brother > >(first name unk) operated a steamboat on the Trinity River above Palestine > >Tx. She mrd Humphrey Jackson > >ca 1820; he was from Ireland and was in LA as early as 1809. He was w/ the > >Stephen F. Austin colony > >in 1823. Sarah was dead by 1826. They had 4 children: John, James, > >another son and a dtr. > >Any ideas on Sarah Merriman? > >Message ends > >--- > > > >Thanks, Hi, I am sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you about this info. The lady I have written to is Michael Ann Coker, mail address: cokerma@worldnet.att.net. She lives in San Antonio, TX and is thinking of going over to the Heritage Lib., in Wallisville, to check out the Virginia O'Bryan stuff for us, and to see if she can find her Sarah Merriman among the notebooks. She seems to be a lovely lady, I hope she connects up with our Merrimans! Sharon Shaw > >David > > > > > >-- > >David Lawrence > >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: > >Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com > >San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl > >http://www.greyware.com/cccip *************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 44 Today's Topics: #1 Antioch Primitive Baptist Church [LV Hayes ] #4 Julia Lyons & RT Clark m 1874?? [David Lawrence ] #5 (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #6 Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #41 [Chickamaw@aol.com] #7 Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #43 [Chickamaw@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:26:47 From: LV Hayes To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980714052647.452fbab2@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Antioch Primitive Baptist Church Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:54:31 EDT >From: Mhamm6102@aol.com >Subject: Re: Imperial Calcasieu Records- CHURCH LAND > >Perhaps the land was given by John Bryan,but the plaque on the church >should tell.I know that Reese Perkins founded the church in the cemetery >and the lumber was milled at my Gr.Grandfather's mill at Crown Point and >hauled over to Big Woods-quite a feat in those days.Most of his lumber >(logs) were floated down the river to Westlake or Lake Charles but for the >church, it had to be taken overland. Hardy Coward ,the Perkins ,and Lyons >were all related by marriage. Jan sent me a copy of a 1974 Beaumont Enterprise article on the church some time back, and a photograph of the plaque is included. The plaque sez nothing about who donated the land, only that the plaque was donated by J.M. Runnels of Orange, TX. No idea who J.M. Runnels was. According to the plaque, the church was founded on 21 Oct 1827 and the founders were (my notes in brackets): Joseph Willis, Elder Drury Bunch William B. Welboan Elizabeth Gowen [born Perkins, wife of James Goins] Martha Perkins [born Morgan, wife of Rees Perkins] Jincey Perkins [born Goins, wife of Jordan Perkins] Harriet Neyland [born Perkins, wife of William Neyland] Nancy Hampsher [born White, wife of Jacob Hampshire] Sarah Ashworth [born Perkins, wife of Jesse Ashworth] Ann Berry [possibly wife of Presley Berry] Jesse Ashworth Phillys A. Blackmon Rees Perkins, Clerk Note that 2 unrelated Perkins families are represented on this list. Rees, wife Martha, and daughter Harriet Neyland belonged to one Perkins family (Jan's ancestors and the ones related by marriage to the Lyons); Elizabeth Goins and her sister Sarah Ashworth belonged to another Perkins family (my ancestors). The husband of Jincey Perkins was a brother of Elizabeth and Sarah. Drury Bunch is another of my ancestors, and Jesse Ashworth belonged to one of my ancestral families. Joseph Willis founded a number of churches in St Landry and Rapides Parishes, including the first protestant church west of the Mississippi at Bayou Chicot circa 1805. William Brown Welborn (Welboan on the plaque) was also a minister; I'm not sure if this is William Sr or Jr, but if Jr, he was married to another Nancy White and to Elizabeth Iles. Ann and Presley Berry were probably the ancestors of the Berrys who later married into the Lyons family. LV Hayes lvhayes@worldnet.att.net ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:39:10 From: LV Hayes To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980714043910.452fe994@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Merriman query Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:57:28 -0700 >From: Sharon > >The lady I have written to is Michael Ann Coker, mail address: >cokerma@worldnet.att.net. Thanks, Sharon! In the interim, Michael Ann somehow got a hold of my address and the address of some of the White contacts I had in mind and sent us a message. LV Hayes lvhayes@worldnet.att.net ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:03:24 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980713220324.00891d60@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Imperial Calcasieu Records- CHURCH LAND Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mary is right. BTW, the church that was on the cem. ground was burned last winter by three young kids (19 or 20) from Westlake. That was not the original church that our ancestors built, but was on the site and had been there since as far back as I can remember (late 40's). It just broke my heart! Jan At 09:54 PM 7/13/1998 EDT, you wrote: >Perhaps the land was given by John Bryan,but the plaque on the church should >tell.I know that Reese Perkins founded the church in the cemetery and the >lumber was milled at my Gr.Grandfather's mill at Crown Point and hauled over >to Big Woods-quite a feat in those days.Most of his lumber (logs) were floated >down the river to Westlake or Lake Charles but for the church, it had to be >taken overland. >Hardy Coward ,the Perkins ,and Lyons were all related by marriage. > > > ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:50:47 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980714055047.0071a78c@mail> Subject: Julia Lyons & RT Clark m 1874?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd like some help with clearing up the following: Jacob Lyons (Gabriel, John, Samuel) and Mary Cooper had a daughter Julia in c. 1856 in St. Landry Parish. Some researchers say that she married a Raymond T. Clark in 1874. I have records that show that a Raymond T. Clark (b 23 apr 1854 in Plaquemines Brulee, d 25 sep 1911 in Crowley, Acadia Par.) married Mary Laurendy Duson in St. Landry parish on 17 Dec 1874 (marriage license # 8006). They had RT, Jr. 20 Oct 1891 (RT, Jr. d 1930). Can anyone help differentiate between these two RTs? Does anyone know the parents of either of these? Are there two RT Clarks of that generation living nearby? I love it!! Thanks -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:14:25 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980714.104613.3270.3.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER As of Tuesday, July 14 th. The following have joined the list. 26 and growing!!!!! 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek 20. Joy Moore 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin 23. Sharon Shaw 24. Lesylee Gautreaux 25. Michael Bradford *26 NELDA STEBBINS WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Ti m Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane GABRIEL Sharon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence Michael Bradford _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:55:15 EDT From: Chickamaw@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8f29ada4.35ab7154@aol.com> Subject: Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #41 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Bill: Yes, it was Charles. All Gaiennies who spell the name this way are descended from the same ancestors. My husband has records of all of them. He was a distant cousin. Elizabeth Singleton Gaiennie. ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 18:23:50 EDT From: Chickamaw@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <466eaf1c.35abda78@aol.com> Subject: Re: JOHNLYONS-D Digest V98 #43 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit jan: y'all come! Betty ************************************************************************ JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 45 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Julia Lyons & RT Clark m 1874? [LV Hayes ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:58:22 From: LV Hayes To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19980715005822.2cffaa14@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Julia Lyons & RT Clark m 1874?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 05:50:47 -0700 >From: David Lawrence >Subject: Julia Lyons & RT Clark m 1874?? > >Jacob Lyons (Gabriel, John, Samuel) and Mary Cooper had a daughter Julia >in c. 1856 in St. Landry Parish. Some researchers say that she married a >Raymond T. Clark in 1874. I have records that show that a Raymond T. >Clark (b 23 apr 1854 in Plaquemines Brulee, d 25 sep 1911 in Crowley, >Acadia Par.) married Mary Laurendy Duson in St. Landry parish on 17 Dec >1874 (marriage license # 8006). They had RT, Jr. 20 Oct 1891 (RT, Jr. d >1930). > >Can anyone help differentiate between these two RTs? Does anyone know the >parents of either of these? Are there two RT Clarks of that generation >living nearby? According to a Clark descendant, the Raymond T. Clark who married Julia Lyons circa 1874 was a son of Valentine C. and Frances "Fanny" (McClelland) Clark. The descendant didn't know who the parents of Julia were. This Clark family has other Lyons connections. Raymond's brother Isaac Erwin married Lydia A., daughter of Madison and Celestine (Sloan) Lyons, and his sister Clara Jane married Michael L., son of Gabriel "Abel" and Mary Ann (Bryan) Lyons. I have nothing on a second Raymond T. Clark, but Valentine belonged to a Clark family which came to St Landry Parish in the late 1700s and has a number of lines in the area. Valentine had 2 brothers, and given the naming customs of the 19th century, it's possible that one or both also had a son named Raymond. I'll query the Clark descendants I'm in contact with about a second Raymond whenever I can get around to it. LV Hayes lvhayes@worldnet.att.net ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 07:20:54 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980715072053.006f7244@mail> Subject: Re: Julia Lyons & RT Clark m 1874?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:58 AM 7/15/98, LV Hayes wrote: >I have nothing on a second Raymond T. Clark, but Valentine belonged to a >Clark family which came to St Landry Parish in the late 1700s and has a >number of lines in the area. Valentine had 2 brothers, and given the >naming customs of the 19th century, it's possible that one or both also had >a son named Raymond. I'll query the Clark descendants I'm in contact with >about a second Raymond whenever I can get around to it. That would be really helpful. The Laura Duson mentioned in my previous post is the sister of CC and WW Duson. I'll do some tracking on the RT Clark who was her husband and share that information soon. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl http://www.greyware.com/cccip ********************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 46 Today's Topics: #1 Roll Call [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:28:18 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980716.152853.3270.5.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Roll Call Things sure are quite around here these last couple of days....what gives?????? Ran out of things to talk about? You don't want to give our newest members a bad impression do you? For those of you just joining, don't forget to post your connections to John and Nancy.....were all anxiously awaiting to see if you descend from Elizabeth. AND if you want to know what we've been up to lately, check out the archives were all the posts to this list are stored, you can find it at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Then just type in : JOHNLYONS-L Have a great day!!! 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No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:19:03 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980717.112031.10766.6.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER As of Friday, July 17 th. The following have joined the list. 32 and growing!!!!! 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek 20. Joy Moore 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin 23. Sharon Shaw 24. Lesylee Gautreaux 25. Michael Bradford 26. Nelda Stebbins *27. SHIRLEY SMITH *28. MARY ANTEE *29. JIMMY LAWRENCE *30. RAND WAGNER *31. MIKE BAUMANN *32. RIECKE BAUMAN WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. If you don't find your name below, you have forgotten to post your connection or I just haven't gotten around to adding your name, in that case, let me know. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Ti m Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane GABRIEL Sharon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence Michael Bradford _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 13:20:13 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000b01bdb1af$8b483400$629086d0@default> Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have seen several references to a library at Wallisville. Is this Wallisville Tx? I will be in Houston the first week of Aug. It may be possible to drive over there. What is the name of the source that I should check? I will also have several days at the Clayton Library. Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:00:05 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002401bdb1bd$7ee1bb60$7118dfd1@rdusek> Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara, I haven't seen the original message with a reference to the Wallaceville Library, but there is such a library right on I-10 just east of the Trinity River. I'm drawing a blank on the librarian's name, but he is very helpful. He has also spoken to us at Houston Genealogical Forum. ruby dusek -----Original Message----- From: Walter N. Langham, Jr. To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 1:18 PM Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER >I have seen several references to a library at Wallisville. Is this >Wallisville Tx? I will be in Houston the first week of Aug. It may be >possible to drive over there. What is the name of the source that I should >check? I will also have several days at the Clayton Library. >Barbara > ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:04:49 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980717.160452.3270.2.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER As of Friday, July 17 th. The following have joined the list. 33 and growing!!!!! Were really cooking now! Let's see some posts ! 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek 20. Joy Moore 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin 23. Sharon Shaw 24. Lesylee Gautreaux 25. Michael Bradford 26. Nelda Stebbins *27. SHIRLEY SMITH *28. MARY ANTEE *29. JIMMY LAWRENCE *30. RAND WAGNER *31. MIKE BAUMANN *32. RIECKE BAUMANN *33. MARY D. NICKS WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. If you don't find your name below, you have forgotten to post your connection or I just haven't gotten around to adding your name, in that case, let me know. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Ti m Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane GABRIEL Sharon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence Michael Bradford Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:47:31 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980717154731.008cc980@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would like to welcome Mary Dee to the list. She and I are 2 cuzzies or something like that. Our grammas were sisters. We grew up playing together and I love her dearly, so ya'll have to be real nice to her! She grew up in Vinton and may be able to help us with some of our family that settled there. AND she is a great cook!.....but not as good as her Mama! Val, you can put her under William. ALSO, want to welcome Shirley Smith. She is a friend from here in Lake Charles, but you don't HAVE to be nice to her! Jan At 04:04 PM 7/17/1998 -0400, you wrote: >As of Friday, July 17 th. The following have joined the list. 33 and >growing!!!!! > >Were really cooking now! Let's see some posts ! > > >1. Valerie Cundy >2. Jan Craven >3. Barbara Langham >4. David Lawrence >5. Lynn Bagley King >6. Ben Carroll >7. Mary Hammond >8. LV Hayes >9. Rosemary Carraway >10.Mary Lane >11.Jeremy Fountain >12.Jennifer Anne Turner >13.Laura Wright >14.Wayne Linebarger >15.Robert Broussard >16 Betty Gaiennie >17 Tim Lyons >18 Jo-Anne Arnaud >19. Ruby Dusek >20. Joy Moore >21. Harold Lawrence >22. Carol Austin >23. Sharon Shaw >24. Lesylee Gautreaux >25. Michael Bradford >26. Nelda Stebbins >*27. SHIRLEY SMITH >*28. MARY ANTEE >*29. JIMMY LAWRENCE >*30. RAND WAGNER >*31. MIKE BAUMANN >*32. RIECKE BAUMANN >*33. MARY D. NICKS ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 14:07:23 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35AFBD0B.341B@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Walter, Well, I confess, I was the one who started the throwing around the Wallisville location. Yes, it is the Heritage Library, in Wallisville, TX. In a newspaper article, there was mention of Virginia O'Bryan's genealogy collection being donated to the Wallisville library some time ago. In the article, there was mention of the Merriman and Berwick families, but no mention of the Lyons family. However, I feel very sure that she did work on our line, too, because of letters she wrote to my grandfather years ago. The question is how much work? How far back did she get? What documents did she discover? Anything we're missing? Would it help others of us working on the Merrimans, Berwicks, O'Briens, and, of course, all important to only me - the Shaws, to look at this enormous collection? From what I understand, there are only two places to see the collection: 1) Wallisville, en toto and in the original; and, 2) Salt Lake City, on 17 rolls of microfilm, but who knows what has been left out. When I phoned Wallisville, after I first saw the article, I was told the 200 notebooks were still to be gone through and the collection was not ready for study. That was quite some time ago, though. My point, yes there is one!, is that this might be a valuable resource to many of us, if some kind person who lives near by, or is planning on visiting there, would evaluate the extend of the material for us. Nothing extensive, only to check out the work. If that is you, you are a good person and I thank you. I am sure others will, too. Sharon Shaw Walter N. Langham, Jr. wrote: > > I have seen several references to a library at Wallisville. Is this > Wallisville Tx? I will be in Houston the first week of Aug. It may be > possible to drive over there. What is the name of the source that I should > check? I will also have several days at the Clayton Library. > Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:30:53 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980717.203140.3270.5.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER As of Friday, July 17 th. The following have joined the list. 33 and growing!!!!! Were really cooking now! Let's see some posts ! 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek 20. Joy Moore 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin 23. Sharon Shaw 24. Lesylee Gautreaux 25. Michael Bradford 26. Nelda Stebbins *27. SHIRLEY SMITH *28. MARY ANTEE *29. JIMMY LAWRENCE *30. RAND WAGNER *31. MIKE BAUMANN *32. RIECKE BAUMANN *33. MARY D. NICKS WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Ti m Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane Shirley Smith GABRIEL Sharon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright Mary D. Nicks DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence Michael Bradford Mary Antee Jimmy Lawrence Rand Wagner Mike Baumann Riecke Baumann _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:16:02 -0500 From: "David Swanson" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807180216.VAA28339@endeavor.flash.net> Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara, I am going to Wallisville Heritage Park tomorrow (Saturday, 7/18). It's on I-10 East, just past the Trinity River Bridge. I'll let you know what's there when I return. Rosemary Lyons Carraway swanson@flash.net ---------- > From: Walter N. Langham, Jr. > To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER > Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 1:20 PM > > I have seen several references to a library at Wallisville. Is this > Wallisville Tx? I will be in Houston the first week of Aug. It may be > possible to drive over there. What is the name of the source that I should > check? I will also have several days at the Clayton Library. > Barbara > ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:22:22 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980717.222225.3270.7.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Death date of Sarah "Sally" Lyons, married to Richard West Does anyone have the documentation on her death date? I have two.....they are: 26 Jun 1845, Calcasieu Parish AND 22 Feb 1865 Looking for date and location, need sources!!!! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:03:17 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980718.000142.3270.9.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Death date of Elizabeth Lyons, married to Edward Merriman Does anyone have the documentation on her death date? I have three choices: 4 Jun 1822 (Opel. Ct. Hse # 26) AND 7 Apr 1832 (Michael Lyons Bible Record) AND Succ. dated 16 Jun 1834 (Laf. Ct. Hse: Succ #273)- this one is in Father Hebert's Which one would you consider to be most valid? Please give me your thougths on this. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:02:54 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980718.000141.3270.8.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Elizabeth Francoise or Fanny Lyons, married to William Prather This is what appears in Father Hebert's 1811-1830 pg 612: Lyons, Elizabeth Francoise (Michel & Marie HEZE) m. 27 Aug . 1822 William PRATHER (Laf. Ch. : v. 1, p. loose) Lyons, Fanny (Michael) m. 13 Aug 1822 William PRATHER (Opel Ct. Hse. Mar. #43) * * * Now I realize that we can't totally on what we read in Father Hebert's books, and If I know my friend, she's going to suggest ordering the orginal doc. So, before I have to go through all that trouble I just have a couple of questions and a statement. Where do you suppose they got married? Opel. or Laf. ? Why would it be recorded both places? Is that common? My statement is; AND WE WONDER-----why we get so confused trying to piece this family together...just a reminder to those just starting out, without the "actual document" you can never be sure. Soooooo, does anyone happen to have this document? If not, which date would you choose, I know I'm being a little picky now, but humor me anyway :) Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:59:27 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807180451.AAA44396@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Francoise or Fanny Lyons, married to William Prather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My thoughts on Fanny Lyons' marriage to William Prater: two possibilities 1) They applied for a license (did you have to do that then?) at the court house and then got married in the church later, or 2) They had a civil ceremony in the court house and then a religious ceremony later. I don't know which it is, but in my records I begged the question and just put August 1822. My notes detail the conflict. Any other ideas? Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:17:44 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980718001744.008ac840@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Francoise or Fanny Lyons, married to William Prather Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been told that it was not at all uncommon to get married in both places sometimes a good period of time apart. USUALLY, the ct hse was first and then they got to the point that they wanted a kid bapt. and the priest wouldn't do it unless they were married in the church...SO. Now, I am not suggesting that this is what happened here, but it still was not uncommon and *I* think all those old "things" that happened in those days was so interesting. I know that in some places they had to apply and post a bond....sometimes $1000! Glad Bruce didn't have to do that to marry me! I'd be an unclaimed blessing for sure! Jan At 09:59 PM 7/17/1998 -0700, you wrote: >My thoughts on Fanny Lyons' marriage to William Prater: two possibilities > >1) They applied for a license (did you have to do that then?) at the court >house and then got married in the church later, > or >2) They had a civil ceremony in the court house and then a religious >ceremony later. >I don't know which it is, but in my records I begged the question and just >put August 1822. My notes detail the conflict. > Any other ideas? >Carol Austin > > > ***************************************************************************