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This should highlight the item that you indicated in "find what" every place it appears in the report. You must continue to click on FIND NEXT till you reach the end of the report to see all of the locations of the item indicated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 48 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Death date of Sarah "Sally" Ly ["Ruby Dusek" ] #2 Re: Death date of Sarah "Sally" Ly [Nelda Stebbins ] #8 Children of David Lyons and Rebecc [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #9 Re: Elizabeth Francoise or Fanny L ["CR_AUSTIN" ] #14 Children of David Lyons & Rebecca [Sharon ] #15 David Lyons & Rebecca Merriman [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 08:00:43 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002101bdb24c$26937ae0$b51b90d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: Death date of Sarah "Sally" Lyons, married to Richard West Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never actually found a death date for Sally Lyons, just mention of it in people's records. I do know the second date, 1865 is definitely incorrect [or was it a typo in your message?] because her succession is dated 20 April 1847. Richard West was appointed natural tutor of the children. ruby dusek -----Original Message----- From: VALERIE L CUNDY To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 9:22 PM Subject: Death date of Sarah "Sally" Lyons, married to Richard West >Does anyone have the documentation on her death date? I have two.....they >are: > >26 Jun 1845, Calcasieu Parish AND >22 Feb 1865 > > >Looking for date and location, need sources!!!! Any help would be >greatly appreciated. > > >Valerie Lyons Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:14:28 -0500 From: Nelda Stebbins To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B0ADC4.4EA6@centuryinter.net> Subject: Re: Death date of Sarah "Sally" Lyons, married to Richard West Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VALERIE L CUNDY wrote: > > Does anyone have the documentation on her death date? I have two.....they > are: > > 26 Jun 1845, Calcasieu Parish AND > 22 Feb 1865 > > Looking for date and location, need sources!!!! Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > Valerie Lyons Cundy > vcundy@juno.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Yes I have the date of 26, June 1845 in Calcasieu Parish, La. If you have any other information on her please let me know. I have her children's names. Some of their wives names and their children. I am gonna try to get everything together that I have on this today. I also have many Lyons in our family. I will post you a list in a little while. Many of them married Vincent's. We have a genealogy book in Calcasieu Parish Library on the Vincent's and it shows which one's married the Lyons. Nelda ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:31:23 -0500 From: Nelda Stebbins To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B0B1BB.5D92@centuryinter.net> Subject: Re: Death date of Elizabeth Lyons, married to Edward Merriman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VALERIE L CUNDY wrote: > > Does anyone have the documentation on her death date? > > I have three choices: > > 4 Jun 1822 (Opel. Ct. Hse # 26) AND > 7 Apr 1832 (Michael Lyons Bible Record) AND > Succ. dated 16 Jun 1834 (Laf. Ct. Hse: Succ #273)- this one is in > Father Hebert's > > Which one would you consider to be most valid? Please give me your > thougths on this. > > Valerie Lyons Cundy > vcundy@juno.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Valerie, I have an Elizabeth Lyons that married Isaac Vincent which was his first wife- Born 1825-28 died 27 Nov 1862, daughter of William Lyons and Hetty Hayes. they had 4 children. If this is new information for you I can give you the children names and dates, but you may already have this. Please let me know. I also have a list of the Lyons buried in Farquhar Cemetery in Sulphur. I have dates on a Elenor Lavinia Moss who married David H. Lyons(Sheriff 1880) Nelda ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 09:59:51 -0500 From: Nelda Stebbins To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B0B867.1C9D@centuryinter.net> Subject: Lyon's in my family Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They start with: Michael Lyons & Mary Polly Hayes Sarah(Sally) Lyons married Richard West William Lyons married Mary LeDoux(she was Ezimely West's daughter) Uranne Vincent married Anselm Ravia (1st wife) They had grandchildren that married Lyon's--Rosa Clark married Ellison Lyons James Clark married Ethel Lyons Ella Clark married Sylester Lyons Secillia Clark married Luthur Lyons I have:A. Elenor Lavinia Moss married David H. Lyons (Sheriff 1880) B. Issac Vincent married Elizabeth Lyons 1st wife 1. Their son Dosite Vincent married Margaret Lyons daughter of David Lyons & Louisa Perkins C. Adrian Vincent (Adron) married Dora Lyons (bros. Billy & Jefff) We have many more Lyons in the family. My sister has the Vincent Book at her house. Nelda Stebbins ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:13:26 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6264-35B0BB96-241@mailtod-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Francoise or Fanny Lyons, married to William Prather Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Val Question? All this is very interesting but is not in direct line? You do intend to put it in book form? I can't seem to follow who belongs to whom Would it be possible to list each of the childrens direct line in the same way you gave me our names? Hard to catch up when you start late JOY ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:19:00 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000b01bdb25f$64970ce0$289186d0@default> Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBER Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rosemary, God Luck. I won't be in Houston ( Wallisville)until Aug.4. So you may have all the information by then. Let me know what is there and what you got . I know you won't get this until after your trip but maybe I can save some reading time if I don't check the same books that you have already checked. Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 11:24:51 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980718112451.00896eb0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Francoise or Fanny Lyons, married to William Prather Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HA HA! Joy, honey, We ALL have a hard time "keeping up". Why do you think we started this list??? I had FITS trying to figure out the Lyons in Big Woods! and am still working on some of them. I think if you go to the website you will be able to tell a little bit about what goes on in the first three generations. You can print that out if you like. Also I'll be glad to send you (privately) an attached report from my files. Can't send attachments thru the list! If I don't have any info on one of them and you can give me some info, PLEASE do. This cemetery is online in the Calcasieu lagenweb archives. There are MANY of the other families that we all know and love so dearly in there too, so if you haven't visited the website, you need to do so. You are welcome to print out the cemetery to use for your own personal research and you are also welcome to print it out and take it to your local library for their files. It is my work and I do sell a few of these books to folks who are not online but really am not in it for that. Jan Here are the Lyons, A...... in Big Woods. LYONS, A. Lucius 20 Aug 1907- 26 May 1948 . . .LA S2C USNR WWII. LYONS, Abel No date - 30 Aug 1868 .. .Age 62 years, 20 days. .. ."Tombstone was broken, so his descendants had a new stone erected sometime in the .. .late 1930's and used the old tombstone for a foot sotne. Over the years, the two stones .. .Had been moved side by side, the old one correctly spelling his first name (Abel) and the .. .other with the incorrect spelling." VHS. NOTES: Abel (Gabriel) LYONS, b. 5 Aug 1806 . . .s/o Michael LYONS and Mary Polly HAYES, m. 1st 13 Feb 1827 to Mary Ann Druzilla . .b 1809 d. 15 Oct 1827. No children by this marriage. 2nd.m. 9 Jly 1829 to Mary Ann . . .BRYAN. Children: Gabriel Jr., 1831-1916; Abel B. 1832-1916 m. Emily WELSH; . . .Michael L. b. 1834-1912 m. 1867 Clara Jane CLARK; Luke John b. 1835-6; Rebecca . . .b.1837-8 m. _?_ SAUNDERS; Emilie (Emily) 1840 - 1928 m. _?_ MABRY; .. .Washington b. 1843;Amanda b 1845; Mary J. b. 1842;Dallas (Kindalas) b. 1848. Martha . . .b.1851; and Isaac b 1853 m. Thodolin E. _?_.Notes by Valerie LYONS CUNDY. .. .Other sources: Cal. Pr. Census records and family records of JC. LYONS, Ada 15 Jan 1870-04 Apr 1944 . . .W/o Henry W JOHNSON. NOTES: She was his second wife. See his notes. This is . . .probably the d/o Mansel LYONS and Cordellia "Pet" LYONS. In the 1880 census of . . .Cal. Pr., they have a daughter, "Ader" 10 yrs old. See notes for Mansel for possible . . .siblings. JC. LYONS, Adella 26 Mar 1814 - 28 Nov 1889. . .See STANTON w/o Samuel LYONS. LYONS, Alma Burnice BUSH 05 Dec 1903 - 03 Jan 1990. . . W/o Elton H. LYONS. LYONS, Amanda 04 Nov 1845 - 31 Dec 1909 . . .W/o J. J. HEWITT. LYONS, Amanda 24 Aug 1831 - 23 Mar 1864 . . .Wife of Benjamin LYONS no marker found (1) D/o John LYONS and Amanda . . .F. STANTON. For children, see notes for Benjamin LYONS. LYONS, Amelia 30 Jan 1906 - 09 Dec 1984 . . .W/o M. M. Mack LYONS. LYONS, Annie A. 05 Mar 1897 - 09 Dec 1970 . . .Headstone w/ Bennett W. LYONS. Matching markers. NOTES: This is Annie . . .ALDREDGE, w/o Bennett W. LYONS. See notes for Bennett W. for children.VLC. LYONS, Asa Foreman 28 Apr 1864 - 15 Jly 1942 . . .H/o Sudie E. FANCHER. NOTES: S/o Malachi M. LYONS and Cynthia A. ROBERTS. . . .Known Children: Fancher, b/d 17 Nov 1887; Ira C. 1890-1931 m. Sarah Elizabeth . . .LANGFORD; Pearl Edna 1893-1985, never married; Elton Hampton "Chee" 1894-1952 .m . . .Alma Burnice BUSH; Theodore Amar "Ted" 1900-1986, never married; Fancher,. . . Feb 1893- Apr 1893. JC. At 10:13 AM 7/18/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Val >Question? All this is very interesting >but is not in direct line? You do intend >to put it in book form? I can't seem to >follow who belongs to whom Would it >be possible to list each of the childrens >direct line in the same way you gave >me our names? >Hard to catch up when you start late > >JOY > > > <>< <>< <>< <>< Submit ASCII TXT files to <>< <>< Watch the LaGenWeb Archives grow at <>< NEW ARCHIVES SEARCH ENGINE Louisiana USGenWeb <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 12:37:03 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980718.123704.3246.10.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Children of David Lyons and Rebecca Merriman Does anyone have these children? I have a source cited that David Lyons died Bef. April 1825 in St Landry, (St.Landry #393) & (Lafayette #164) And that Rebecca re-married in 5 Jan 1829 to John Shaw (Lafayette #42, H2) What are the birth dates for the children of this couple? Anyone Know? Elizabeth Lyons David Merriman Lyons Appreciate your help. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 10:22:15 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807181714.NAA86552@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Francoise or Fanny Lyons, married to WilliamPrather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a note on the Isaac Lyons b. 1853 who married Theodolin (?)--. She was Theodosia Ernestine Hasha, dau. of Marcellus Hasha and Emaline Prater. Emaline was the daughter of William Prater and Fanny Lyons, of whom the marriage has been discussed this morning. I'm looking for information on their children, grandchildren, if anybody has anything. Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:25:33 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980718.162534.3246.13.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Message from Listowner: VALERIE CUNDY, Re: Richard West/Sally Lyons, page1 The message attached to the subject above was not sent to the list, due to the reason below: Hi -- The message you submitted to this list (included above) wasn't sent to the list subscribers. RootsWeb accepts only plain text mail. That means that HTML mail, attachments, ``enriched text'', and a few other formats can't be sent to RootsWeb mailing lists. This message was bounced back to me along with the text that was sent, (by the way---It is some really great stuff ) As soon as I find out who tried to post it to the list, we'll see if we can't get it re-posted for the rest of you. I really don't understand all this technical mumbo jumbo.....but I can gather out of the rootsweb message above, our list won't accept a certain kind of text. maybe our friend David Lawrence can fill us in. Thanks Valerie _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 13:41:15 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807182033.QAA40558@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Message from Listowner: VALERIE CUNDY, Re: Richard West/Sally Lyons, page1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems to me I read somewhere that Rootsweb doesn't accept html and other such in an effort to reduce the spam. Does that make sense? Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:37:17 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980718.163718.3246.14.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Richard West and Sally Lyons, PAGE 1 I thought this was such good information that I wanted to try and send it to the list myself. Let's see if it works! Valerie * * * Richard West and Sally Lyons > 1798 - About this date Thomas West, son of Charles West and Maria = > MacKenna, married Susanna "Nancy" Faulk, daughter of Luke Faulk and = > Sarah Celeste Ripley [sp?], place not yet found. > The following three births are from Early Baptism Records, St Paul the = > Apostle Catholic Church, Mansura, Louisiana, 1796-1824, Translated and = > Edited by Mrs Alberta Rousseau Ducote, G.R.S., 1980. > 1798 -September 26, Juan [John] is born Avoyelles Parish, according to = > the book. Parents are listed as Thomas [West] and Susanna Fork. Baptism = > date is 4 November 1798. Baptism was 4 November 1798. Godparents are = > Juan Brady and Susanna Canty (Cunty) Church reference: #129, page 82. = > Could this name be Cundy? > 1801 -31 July, Ricardo [Richard] is born, s/o Thomas West, n/o Virginia, = > and Anna Fork, n/o Pensacola. Baptism 14 May 1802. Grandparents: Carlos = > [Charles] West and Maria MacKenna, n/o England; and Lucas Fork and Sarah = > Fork, n/o the same place. Church Reference: #407, page 228. > 1806 -at age 9 months, Thomas, s/o Thomas West, Sr and Anna Fork, was = > baptised 5 September 1806 by Father Buhot. Godparents were Paulin = > Mayeaux and Celeste Mayeaux. Church Reference: #616, page 272. > Subsequent volumes of birth records from this church do not show the = > birth of a fourth child, Caroline, who married 7 April 1818 to George = > Laughlin (St Landry Parish, Marriage book 5, also Father Hebert = > Southwest Louisiana Records, Volume 2-A [and Volume 2 of the old set.] = > Father Hebert states she is the child of Thomas and Nancy. I have a copy = > of the marriage and the bond from the courthouse in Opelousas. William = > Perry, second husband of Nancy Faulk West, stepfather of Caroline signs=20 > Nancy Faulk West's sister Marie Faulk, who married Gideon Walker on 6 = > May 1789 in St Martinsville, was also living in Avoyelles Parish in = > November of 1789 and is found in the church records then as a Godparent = > and later as a parent of 3 children, born in 1790, 1795, 1797. She was = > widowed, because in May of 1800 a marriage contract is found in Colonial = > Louisiana Marriage Contracts, Volume IV, Avoyelles by Winston DeVille. = > She, the Widow "Hoiquer" or "Woiquier" is to marry "Patis" Macgalan. He = > declares he owns nothing, she has her part of the succession of her = > deceased husband. A year later she is bringing suit against Patric = > Magglaamm for failing to execute the marriage cagreement. He stated he = > no longer wished to marry and "consequently their marriage contract was = > of no value and that he nullified it from this moment." Thomas West was = > one of the witnesses. > 1807 -8 June, Thomas West and Anna Fork were Godparents in Avoyelles = > Parish.=20 > 1808 -27 June, Thomas West dies. His succession was found in the = > Avoyeles Parish Courthouse many years ago. I copied it but later = > realized that there was no reference to what book in which it was = > located. Also, there was no mention of his wife and children in the = > succession, no family meetings and appointments of guardians, just two = > creditors who were each trying to be administrator of his estate. Could = > Nancy and the children have gone back to St Martin Parish with her = > family? In 1995 in another visit to the courthouse in Marksville found = > that the old records had been moved across the street. The Parish Clerk = > was nice as could be, letting us into the other building which = > unfortunately was not air conditioned and it was summertime! He left us = > there to "browse" and told us to just close the door when we were = > finished. We were in there about two hours, looking through all sorts of = > ledgers and little drawers, but to no avail.=20 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 17:12:00 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000301bdb299$2a569660$6de390d1@rdusek> Subject: One more time, p 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard West and Sally Lyons 1798 - About this date Thomas West, son of Charles West and Maria MacKenna, married Susanna "Nancy" Faulk, daughter of Luke Faulk and Sarah Celeste Ripley [sp?], place not yet found. The following three births are from Early Baptism Records, St Paul the Apostle Catholic Church, Mansura, Louisiana, 1796-1824, Translated and Edited by Mrs Alberta Rousseau Ducote, G.R.S., 1980. 1798 - September 26, Juan [John] is born Avoyelles Parish, according to the book. Parents are listed as Thomas [West] and Susanna Fork. Baptism date is 4 November 1798. Baptism was 4 November 1798. Godparents are Juan Brady and Susanna Canty (Cunty) Church reference: #129, page 82. Could this name be Cundy? 1801 - 31 July, Ricardo [Richard] is born, s/o Thomas West, n/o Virginia, and Anna Fork, n/o Pensacola. Baptism 14 May 1802. Grandparents: Carlos [Charles] West and Maria MacKenna, n/o England; and Lucas Fork and Sarah Fork, n/o the same place. Church Reference: #407, page 228. 1806 - at age 9 months, Thomas, s/o Thomas West, Sr and Anna Fork, was baptized 5 September 1806 by Father Buhot. Godparents were Paulin Mayeaux and Celeste Mayeaux. Church Reference: #616, page 272. Subsequent volumes of birth records from this church do not show the birth of a fourth child, Caroline, who married 7 April 1818 to George Laughlin (St Landry Parish, Marriage book 5, also Father Hebert Southwest Louisiana Records, Volume 2-A [and Volume 2 of the old set.] Father Hebert states she is the child of Thomas and Nancy. I have a copy of the marriage and the bond from the courthouse in Opelousas. William Perry, second husband of Nancy Faulk West, stepfather of Caroline signs Nancy Faulk West's sister Marie Faulk, who married Gideon Walker on 6 May 1789 in St Martinsville, was also living in Avoyelles Parish in November of 1789 and is found in the church records then as a Godparent and later as a parent of 3 children, born in 1790, 1795, 1797. She was widowed, because in May of 1800 a marriage contract is found in Colonial Louisiana Marriage Contracts, Volume IV, Avoyelles by Winston DeVille. She, the Widow "Hoiquer" or "Woiquier" is to marry "Patis" Macgalan. He declares he owns nothing, she has her part of the succession of her deceased husband. A year later she is bringing suit against Patric Magglaamm for failing to execute the marriage agreement. He stated he no longer wished to marry and "consequently their marriage contract was of no value and that he nullified it from this moment." Thomas West was one of the witnesses. 1807 - 8 June, Thomas West and Anna Fork were Godparents in Avoyelles Parish. 1808 - 27 June, Thomas West dies. His succession was found in the Avoyeles Parish Courthouse many years ago. I copied it but later realized that there was no reference to what book in which it was located. Also, there was no mention of his wife and children in the succession, just two creditors who were each trying to be administrator of his estate. In 1995 in another visit to the courthouse in Marksville found that the old records had been moved across the street. The Parish Clerk was nice as could be, letting us into the other building which unfortunately was not air conditioned and it was summertime! He left us there to "browse" and told us to just close the door when we were finished. We were in there about two hours, looking through all sorts of ledgers and little drawers, but to no avail. ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:12:59 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B12BFB.6894@pacbell.net> Subject: Children of David Lyons & Rebecca Merriman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My records show that Elizabeth Lyons was born c. 1825, according to the 1850 Census, Vermilion Parish, LA, and David Merriman Lyons was born 1828, that from family notes, no documentation. The other info. is correct, according to my records. Also, David Merriman Lyons married Euphemie Petry, dau. of Geo. Petry and Salina Wafford, and Elizabeth Lyons married William Wade Shaw, son of John C. Shaw and Margaret Camilla Newman. Hope this helps! Sharon Shaw ______________________________X-Message: #15 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 22:47:55 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980718.224757.3246.0.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: David Lyons & Rebecca Merriman We both have the same information on the birth dates of Elizabeth and David Merriman, I have other researchers that show David Merrimans birth date also as 1828 or 1827. What we really need is the source for David Merrimans birth date. I feel it is really Abt 1823....There is only one I've seen that states this date . All the others are 1827/1828. We need some good proof of this, the more files of others I look at the more I see confusion between these vital dates. First- David Lyons, s/o John Sr & Nancy....what is his death date with sources? Second-- David Merriman Lyons, s/o David Sr......what is his birth date with sources? * * * The1850 census record for Elizabeth Lyons, d/o of David Sr. b. 1825 is good enough for me on her, she still was born before her father died. So if David Sr. marries Rebecca Merriman July 14, 1822....they have Elizabeth in 1825, they have David Merriman between 1823-1825, because David Sr. dies Before April 1825. Now that would work, just help me out with some sources so I can put this one to bed! Rebecca, widow, remarries to John Shaw in Jan 1829, So we know he dies before 1829. * * * FATHER HEBERT 1811-1830, pg. 612 Lyons, David m. Becky Merriman Succ. dated April 1826 (Opel Ct Hse Succ. #393) Lyons, David m. Rebecca Merriman Succ. dated 28 Aug 1829 (Laf Ct Hse.: Succ #164) * * * (History of Vermilion Parish) David Lyons, youngest son of John and Ana Ahart Lyons, was born about 1799 and married Rebecca Merriman August 23, 1829. * * * This is what our John Lyons Web page shows: 8. David2 Lyons (John1); born circa Dec 1798 at at the Lyons home on Bayou Que de Tortue in what is now, Vermilion Par., LA;110 married Margaret Rebecca Merriman, daughter of John I. Merriman and Mary Angelica Berwick, 14 Jul 1822 at Louisiana;111 died before Apr 1825 at St. Landry Par., LA. He was Farmer. Margaret Rebecca Merriman married John C. Shaw on 5 Jan 1829 at Lafayette Par., LA.112 She was born on 12 Jan 1804.113 She died on 10 Oct 1859 at New Iberia, Iberia Par., LA, at age 55. Known children of David2 Lyons and Margaret Rebecca Merriman were as follows: i. Elizabeth3; born circa 1825 at St. Landry Par., Louisiana; married William N. Shaw, son of John C. Shaw and Camilla Newman, 1842.115 ii. David Merriman; born 1828 at St. Landry Par., LA;116 married Euphemie Petre, daughter of George Petre and Eleanor Celina Woffard, 1849;117 died after 1880 at Abbeville, Vermilion Par., LA.118 He was sugar chemist, farmer, plantation owner. Bottom Line....David Sr. shouldn't have died before he fathered his only son, David Merriman. Unless there's an old trick I'm unaware of Soooooo PLEASE help me out on this one. I know there are some direct lines of this bunch on here. What do ya'll say about this????? Enough for tonight.... Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:12:59 -0700 Sharon writes: >My records show that Elizabeth Lyons was born c. 1825, according to >the >1850 Census, Vermilion Parish, LA, and David Merriman Lyons was born >1828, that from family notes, no documentation. The other info. is >correct, according to my records. Also, David Merriman Lyons married >Euphemie Petry, dau. of Geo. Petry and Salina Wafford, and Elizabeth >Lyons married William Wade Shaw, son of John C. Shaw and Margaret >Camilla Newman. > >Hope this helps! > >Sharon Shaw > > ******************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 49 Today's Topics: #1 Rejected listserver messages [David Lawrence ] #2 Richard West and Sally Lyons [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #3 Re: Rejected listserver messages [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #4 birth-David M vs. death-David [David Lawrence ] #5 HERITAGE LIBRARY, WALLISVILLE, TX [Sharon ] #6 Re: birth-David M vs. death-David [Sharon ] #7 More on David M. Lyons [David Lawrence ] #8 Re: Richard West and Sally Lyons ["Ruby Dusek" ] #9 DAVID MERRIMAN LYONS MISC. INFO. [Sharon ] #10 Re: David Lyons & Rebecca Merriman [Jan Craven ] #11 Re: David Lyons & Rebecca Merriman [Sharon ] #12 David Merriman Lyons ["Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980718203847.006dfa6c@mail> Subject: Rejected listserver messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Everyone: This may be more than you every wanted to know about the topic but I thought that I'd give a full explanation. This listserver and most others are set to reject certain messages. Among them are those with attachments. Also rejected are messages that contain special formatting. Many of the newer e-mail packages, particularly the newer Netscape, Internet Explorer 4, MS Outlook, and Eudora e-mail packages send e-mail with special formatting as the default. You must turn off the formatting for your messages to be accepted. If you are having trouble sending messages because their software is sending something other than plain text you can write to me and tell me what software you use. Please find out the version of your e-mail software by looking under the help menu and read what it says under Help, About (your program name). I'll get back with you about how to turn off the formatting for messages sent to this list or to turn off formatting for every message you send to everyone. There are reasons that listservers don't accept these formatted messages. When these formatted messages are concatenated into a digest, the intermingling of formatting code with plain text makes a hash of the entire digest. Another issue is safety. Until the last couple of months it was impossible to have your machine infected by a virus from e-mail. There were several hoaxes about e-mail that could trash your machine. Most of us have heard of the "Good Times" e-mail virus hoax. Well, the day of the e-mail virus is now with us for those who use the newest e-mail packages. E-mail with formatting can contain Java, Active-X, Direct-X, and other auto-executable programs. In the hands of normal folks, these auto-executable programs do nifty things such as play little animations, greet you by name, etc. In the hands of thugs they can be dangerous. This seems so outlandish, if today's date was around the first of April I'd think that this was a hoax. Please see the warning in the current issue of: InfoWorld July 13, 1998 (Vol. 20, Issue 28) Fast-spreading virus pops up in Windows 98 Bug moves through the Net, e-mail By Bob Trott Shortly after Windows 98's debut last month, reports began circulating about new strains of a Windows 9x virus, first discovered "in the wild" in Taiwan, that wipes out hard drives. The virus, PE_CIH Version 1.2, has spread through China, Russia, Australia, the Americas, and Europe. It attacks executable files after getting onto computers via Internet downloads and e-mail attachments. The virus can overwrite system start-up programs, making all of the data on hard disks inaccessible, and destroy the Flash BIOS, rendering a computer unbootable. Two other variants -- versions 1.3 and 1.4, which is set to strike on the 26th of each month -- were discovered in late June. There is more to the article at: http://www.infoworld.com/printlinks/ Follow the links to: *This week in Print (or if you don't get the July 13, 1998 issue select "Last Week"). *News *Fast Spreading Virus Pops Up in Windows 98 For those who don't know, InfoWorld is a weekly newspaper for Computer Information Systems professionals. David At 04:25 PM 7/18/98 -0400, someone wrote: > >The message you submitted to this list (included above) wasn't >sent to the list subscribers. RootsWeb accepts only plain text >mail. That means that HTML mail, attachments, ``enriched text'', >and a few other formats can't be sent to RootsWeb mailing lists. -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:26:21 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980719.002623.3246.3.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Richard West and Sally Lyons Thanks Ruby for that article on Richard West and Sally Lyons......what is the source on that? Where did it come from? There is also an article that one of our members, Wayne Linebarger sent my way before we started this list, it is the : Descendants of Richard West and Sally Lyons published in the South Texas Genealogical Society, Inc. Fall 1993, Vol. 5 No. 3 pgs. 79-83 This article is just full of information, I think there is nearly 200 descendants listed in that thing...If your looking for Info on Richard West, you don't want to miss this one. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 00:31:14 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980719.003224.3246.4.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Rejected listserver messages Thanks David...........I knew I could count on you!!!!!! Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:44:52 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980718214451.00683bec@mail> Subject: birth-David M vs. death-David Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've been troubled by this ever since I began my interest in genealogy. I'm a descendant of David M. and I sometimes have wondered if I'm really a Lyons. I've seen several birth dates for David none of which I like. I've not seen the 1823 date until now. Everywhere we turn there is another date for David's birth. I have three or four in my records. (I picked one for the WWW page that agreed with that sent me by a couple of other list participants.) All are too late to properly follow David Lyons' death date. Someone sent the following to the listserver a couple of weeks ago: --begin quote Abbeville Meridional, October 17, 1891 - "D. M. Lyons, an old and respected citizen of this parish, died at his residence in Abbeville, on Thursday, October 15 at 12:30 p.m., aged 65 years, 4 months and 23 days. His funeral which took place on Friday, was numerously attended." --end quote Back calculating I arrived at the following birth date for David M. c. 23 May 1826. This is, unfortunately still too late to work properly with the death date we have for David Lyons. At 10:47 PM 7/18/98 -0400, Valerie Cundy wrote: >We both have the same information on the birth dates of Elizabeth and >David Merriman, I have other researchers that show David Merrimans birth >date also as 1828 or 1827. What we really need is the source for David >Merrimans birth date. I feel it is really Abt 1823....There is only one >I've seen that states this date . All the others are 1827/1828. We need >some good proof of this, the more files of others I look at the more I >see confusion between these vital dates. > >First- David Lyons, s/o John Sr & Nancy....what is his death date with >sources? > >Second-- David Merriman Lyons, s/o David Sr......what is his birth date >with sources? > >* * * > >The1850 census record for Elizabeth Lyons, d/o of David Sr. b. 1825 is >good enough for me on her, she still was born before her father died. > >So if David Sr. marries Rebecca Merriman July 14, 1822....they have >Elizabeth in 1825, they have David Merriman between 1823-1825, because >David Sr. dies Before April 1825. Now that would work, just help me out >with some sources so I can put this one to bed! Rebecca, widow, >remarries to John Shaw in Jan 1829, So we know he dies before 1829. > >* * * >FATHER HEBERT >1811-1830, pg. 612 >Lyons, David m. Becky Merriman Succ. dated April 1826 (Opel Ct Hse Succ. >#393) > >Lyons, David m. Rebecca Merriman Succ. dated 28 Aug 1829 (Laf Ct Hse.: >Succ #164) > >* * * > >(History of Vermilion Parish) >David Lyons, youngest son of John and Ana Ahart Lyons, was born about >1799 and married Rebecca Merriman August 23, 1829. > >* * * > >This is what our John Lyons Web page shows: > >8. David2 Lyons (John1); born circa Dec 1798 at at the Lyons home on >Bayou Que de Tortue in what is now, Vermilion Par., LA;110 married >Margaret Rebecca Merriman, daughter of John I. Merriman and Mary Angelica >Berwick, 14 Jul 1822 at Louisiana;111 died before Apr 1825 at St. Landry >Par., LA. He was Farmer. Margaret Rebecca Merriman married John C. Shaw >on 5 Jan 1829 at Lafayette Par., LA.112 She was born on 12 Jan 1804.113 >She died on 10 Oct 1859 at New Iberia, Iberia Par., LA, at age 55. >Known children of David2 Lyons and Margaret Rebecca Merriman were as >follows: > >i. Elizabeth3; born circa 1825 at St. Landry Par., Louisiana; married >William N. Shaw, son of John C. Shaw and Camilla Newman, 1842.115 > >ii. David Merriman; born 1828 at St. Landry Par., LA;116 married Euphemie >Petre, daughter of George Petre and Eleanor Celina Woffard, 1849;117 died >after 1880 at Abbeville, Vermilion Par., LA.118 > >He was sugar chemist, farmer, plantation owner. > >Bottom Line....David Sr. shouldn't have died before he fathered his only >son, David Merriman. Unless there's an old trick I'm unaware of > >Soooooo PLEASE help me out on this one. I know there are some direct >lines of this bunch on here. What do ya'll say about this????? -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:03:37 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B1D289.7ED2@pacbell.net> Subject: HERITAGE LIBRARY, WALLISVILLE, TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There a few people who offered to do a reconnaissance mission for us at the Heritage Library, Wallisville, TX, to see what, if anything, there might be on the Lyonses. Rosemary was first to go, but others may want to make the trek. Here's what she writes: Sharon Shaw David Swanson wrote: > > I spent several hours in this very nice library. I was amazed at all the > books there. It's definitely worth stopping for. > > There also were 3+ five-drawer file cabinets from Virginia O'Bryan - > nicely sorted in named folders. Yes, there's a folder each on Lyons, > Merriman and Berwick and many more. Most was handwritten notes with > sources noted, but there were some page copies from various sources. > > There is a "Microfilm Operators Report" from Salt Lake with Call Numbers > and Descriptions. Yes, the Mormons did come there and microfilm the > documents. > > Also, the Executive Director of this wonderful, tiny library, Kevin Ladd, > said Will Clayton Library in Houston made Virginia O'Bryan mad, so she > donated all her work to this library. The little park (post office, > library, old buildings, and historical markers) was financed by a wealthy > oil baron who pays his salary and upkeep bills. Area donations also help. > The place has been there since 1983. > > Anyway, Kevin gave me his card with the e-mail address and said he will > take requests for info. (but don't overload him) > Wallisvilleheritagepark@juno.com > > Hope this helps. > > Rosemary Lyons Carraway > swanson@flash.net > > ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:17:40 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B1D5D4.388D@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: birth-David M vs. death-David Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No one has mentioned census records for David Merriman Lyons to see what he gives for his ages in 1850-1880(?) censuses. I thought I had his 1850 and 1860 records here, but I can't find them - of course! I am going to the library on Monday and would be happy to get whatever census records I can for David Merriman Lyons, if no one else has them. I'll also look around here tomorrow for the 1850 & 1860 censuses. If you have the census records, please let me know, and I'll not bother with that on Monday. Thanks Sharon Shaw David Lawrence wrote: > > I've been troubled by this ever since I began my interest in genealogy. > I'm a descendant of David M. and I sometimes have wondered if I'm really a > Lyons. I've seen several birth dates for David none of which I like. I've > not seen the 1823 date until now. Everywhere we turn there is another date > for David's birth. I have three or four in my records. (I picked one for > the WWW page that agreed with that sent me by a couple of other list > participants.) All are too late to properly follow David Lyons' death date. > > Someone sent the following to the listserver a couple of weeks ago: > > --begin quote > Abbeville Meridional, October 17, 1891 - "D. M. Lyons, an old and respected > citizen of this parish, died at his residence in Abbeville, on Thursday, > October 15 at 12:30 p.m., aged 65 years, 4 months and 23 days. His funeral > which took > place on Friday, was numerously attended." > --end quote > > Back calculating I arrived at the following birth date for David M. c. 23 > May 1826. This is, unfortunately still too late to work properly with the > death date we have for David Lyons. > > At 10:47 PM 7/18/98 -0400, Valerie Cundy wrote: > >We both have the same information on the birth dates of Elizabeth and > >David Merriman, I have other researchers that show David Merrimans birth > >date also as 1828 or 1827. What we really need is the source for David > >Merrimans birth date. I feel it is really Abt 1823....There is only one > >I've seen that states this date . All the others are 1827/1828. We need > >some good proof of this, the more files of others I look at the more I > >see confusion between these vital dates. > > > >First- David Lyons, s/o John Sr & Nancy....what is his death date with > >sources? > > > >Second-- David Merriman Lyons, s/o David Sr......what is his birth date > >with sources? > > > >* * * > > > >The1850 census record for Elizabeth Lyons, d/o of David Sr. b. 1825 is > >good enough for me on her, she still was born before her father died. > > > >So if David Sr. marries Rebecca Merriman July 14, 1822....they have > >Elizabeth in 1825, they have David Merriman between 1823-1825, because > >David Sr. dies Before April 1825. Now that would work, just help me out > >with some sources so I can put this one to bed! Rebecca, widow, > >remarries to John Shaw in Jan 1829, So we know he dies before 1829. > > > >* * * > >FATHER HEBERT > >1811-1830, pg. 612 > >Lyons, David m. Becky Merriman Succ. dated April 1826 (Opel Ct Hse Succ. > >#393) > > > >Lyons, David m. Rebecca Merriman Succ. dated 28 Aug 1829 (Laf Ct Hse.: > >Succ #164) > > > >* * * > > > >(History of Vermilion Parish) > >David Lyons, youngest son of John and Ana Ahart Lyons, was born about > >1799 and married Rebecca Merriman August 23, 1829. > > > >* * * > > > >This is what our John Lyons Web page shows: > > > >8. David2 Lyons (John1); born circa Dec 1798 at at the Lyons home on > >Bayou Que de Tortue in what is now, Vermilion Par., LA;110 married > >Margaret Rebecca Merriman, daughter of John I. Merriman and Mary Angelica > >Berwick, 14 Jul 1822 at Louisiana;111 died before Apr 1825 at St. Landry > >Par., LA. He was Farmer. Margaret Rebecca Merriman married John C. Shaw > >on 5 Jan 1829 at Lafayette Par., LA.112 She was born on 12 Jan 1804.113 > >She died on 10 Oct 1859 at New Iberia, Iberia Par., LA, at age 55. > >Known children of David2 Lyons and Margaret Rebecca Merriman were as > >follows: > > > >i. Elizabeth3; born circa 1825 at St. Landry Par., Louisiana; married > >William N. Shaw, son of John C. Shaw and Camilla Newman, 1842.115 > > > >ii. David Merriman; born 1828 at St. Landry Par., LA;116 married Euphemie > >Petre, daughter of George Petre and Eleanor Celina Woffard, 1849;117 died > >after 1880 at Abbeville, Vermilion Par., LA.118 > > > >He was sugar chemist, farmer, plantation owner. > > > >Bottom Line....David Sr. shouldn't have died before he fathered his only > >son, David Merriman. Unless there's an old trick I'm unaware of > > > >Soooooo PLEASE help me out on this one. I know there are some direct > >lines of this bunch on here. What do ya'll say about this????? > > -- > David Lawrence > dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: > Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com > San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 04:14:38 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980719041437.0071f224@mail> Subject: More on David M. Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To continue the David M. Lyons discussion concerning his date of birth I have copied the US Census transcriptions for Vermilion Parish from the US GenWeb Archive for Louisiana. (You have easy access to this archive from the Lyons WWW site at http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ) I have indicated the calculated birth year based upon his age at the time of the census. The 1870 census estimate works but not the others. What does anyone know about David being listed as a barkeeper? His occupation described in History of Vermilion Parish is "sugar chemist". Hmmm? Vermilion Parish Census 1850 (David's DOB c 1828) Transcribed by L. Harvey Adams David Lyons, 22; Farm, $500 Eupheme Petry, 22 1860 (David's DOB c 1827) Transcribed by L. Harvey Adams Prepared for the Archives by Margaret Moore LYON, David 33 Euphemie 21 Elizabeth 10 George 8 Rebecca 6 Rosebud 2 1870 (David's DOB c 1825 -- Barkeeper???) Transcribed By Harvey Adams Typed by Bonnie Rives David Lyons 45, Barkeeper George 18 Lizzie 20 Euphemia 34 Rebecca 13 Rosa 11 William 8 Lula 4 1880 (David's DOB c 1828) With Annotations by L. Harvey Adams David Lyons 52 Euphemie 48 -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:16:37 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001201bdb30f$153c5a00$3918dfd1@rdusek> Subject: Re: Richard West and Sally Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is not an article from anywhere - just me writing from information in my files. I will continue as time permits. Glad I could finally make it come through. ruby -----Original Message----- From: VALERIE L CUNDY To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 11:25 PM Subject: Richard West and Sally Lyons >Thanks Ruby for that article on Richard West and Sally Lyons......what is >the source on that? Where did it come from? > >There is also an article that one of our members, Wayne Linebarger sent >my way before we started this list, it is the : > >Descendants of Richard West and Sally Lyons published in the South Texas >Genealogical Society, Inc. Fall 1993, Vol. 5 No. 3 pgs. 79-83 > >This article is just full of information, I think there is nearly 200 >descendants listed in that thing...If your looking for Info on Richard >West, you don't want to miss this one. > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 06:30:09 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B1F4E1.712E@pacbell.net> Subject: DAVID MERRIMAN LYONS MISC. INFO. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, I did not find an exact birth or death death for D. M. Lyons. But I did find a Vermilion Parish court document, which I thought I would share. As you may recall, the courhouse in Abbeville burned, this part of a lawsuit between Andrien Nunez and the Heirs of James Stokes Shaw survived that fire, dated March 30, 1887. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Adrien Nunez vs. The Heirs of James S. Shaw et al District Court, No. 161, Vermilion Parish Note of evidence David M. Lyons being duly sworn says, The Little Prairie or John Merriman tract of land mentioned in the petition in this case was acquired by James S. Shaw from Stokely Vinson and Celina H. Shaw, wife of Robert Vinson, deceased, and now wife of Newton R. Campbell. And they bought it at the succession sale of Rebecca Merriman about December 1859. The heirs and representatives of James S. Shaw, deceased, were as follows: Syrena [sic] Lyons surviving widow, James Shaw, Camilla Shaw wife of Thomas Johnson [actually that's Andrew Jay Johnson], Felix Shaw, Otho Shaw, Hugh Shaw, Daniel L. Shaw. The heirs of Rebecca Merriman were Elizabeth Lyons, wife of Wade Shaw [William Wade Shaw], Josephine Shaw wife of Hugh Ochiltree. And the heirs of John Shaw whose names I do not know except Alnsida Shaw. Salina Shaw wife of Newton R. Campbell, Granville B. Shaw and myself, and the heirs of Stokely Vinson whose [names] I do not know. D. M. Lyons ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:09:20 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980719080920.008a0e80@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: David Lyons & Rebecca Merriman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Valerie and all. One thing you need to know about how to interpret Fr. H's books. In the entries below there are two successions. In order to see WHO the succession was for you have to have a copy of that succession. The only thing FrH is stating is that FROM this succession you can get proof of the MAR of David and Becky! I suspect that one if these is David's and the other is Becky's, but you have to see them to know which was which! Also remember that it was sometimes several years after the death that the succession took place. But I think that happens everywhere...not just in La. Hope this helps. Jan * * * FATHER HEBERT 1811-1830, pg. 612 Lyons, David m. Becky Merriman Succ. dated April 1826 (Opel Ct Hse Succ. #393) Lyons, David m. Rebecca Merriman Succ. dated 28 Aug 1829 (Laf Ct Hse.: Succ #164) * * * ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 07:16:18 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B1FFB2.17D2@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: David Lyons & Rebecca Merriman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jan, With all due respect to the good Father and all the hard work he put into those volumes, there are mistakes. I know when I wrote to Vermilion Parish for the succession record of James Stokes Shaw, as cited in Father Hebert's book, I was told: "Once again Rev. Hebert's books have been misleading, we do not have any record of the succession you requested." So, his books are great guides (Where would we be without them, right!?), but, you are right, Jan, you need to get the records. Sharon Shaw Jan Craven wrote: > > Valerie and all. > One thing you need to know about how to interpret Fr. H's books. > In the entries below there are two successions. In order to see WHO the > succession was for you have to have a copy of that succession. > The only thing FrH is stating is that FROM this succession you can get proof > of the MAR of David and Becky! > I suspect that one if these is David's and the other is Becky's, but you > have to > see them to know which was which! > Also remember that it was sometimes several years after the death that the > succession took place. But I think that happens everywhere...not just in > La. > Hope this helps. > Jan > * * * > FATHER HEBERT > 1811-1830, pg. 612 > Lyons, David m. Becky Merriman Succ. dated April 1826 (Opel Ct Hse Succ. > #393) > > Lyons, David m. Rebecca Merriman Succ. dated 28 Aug 1829 (Laf Ct Hse.: > Succ #164) > > * * * ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:22:57 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <005b01bdb320$bc266480$dce690d1@default> Subject: David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm the one who sent in the obit from the Abbeville Meridional on David Lyons which stated that he died October 15, 1891 at age 65 years, 4 months and 23 days. Like David, I've had trouble with his birthdate. But now that we have his exact age at death, other than counting backwards, isn't there a formula for figuring birthdate?? I've found other ancestors whose exact death date has been given and it's been difficult to determine birthdate. Have been wanting to respond for several days now, but have two granddaughters here for the past two days and have been "otherwise occupied" Lynn Bagley King ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:55:30 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980719.111417.3246.1.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: HERITAGE LIBRARY, WALLISVILLE, TX Thanks Sharon and Rosemary......appreciate the efforts on bringing us access to more sources. I'm thinking I'm going to be asking about a certain David Lyons!!!!!!! Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:14:16 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980719.111417.3246.2.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: birth-David M vs. death- David Sr. If we accept the Obit below for the David M., s/o David Sr. making his birth date May 1826, his father, David Sr. could have died as early as August 1825.....Right? Then the succ. record in Father Hebert's book for the April 1826 would work along with everything else. I may be wanting this to work too badly to miss something...ya'll look at this closely and see what you think. * * * SOURCES: David Sr. died Bef. 5 Jan 1829, based on the marriage date of his "widowed" wife Rebecca Merriman to John Shaw on 5 Jan 1829. recorded in the Lafayette #47, H2 * * * -begin quote Abbeville Meridional, October 17, 1891 - "D. M. Lyons, an old and respected citizen of this parish, died at his residence in Abbeville, on Thursday, October 15 at 12:30 p.m., aged 65 years, 4 months and 23 days. His funeral which took place on Friday, was numerously attended." --end quote Back calculating I arrived at the following birth date for David M. c. 23 May 1826. This is, unfortunately still too late to work properly with the death date we have for David Lyons. * * * Vermilion Parish Census 1850 (David's DOB c 1828) Transcribed by L. Harvey Adams David Lyons, 22; Farm, $500 Eupheme Petry, 22 1860 (David's DOB c 1827) Transcribed by L. Harvey Adams Prepared for the Archives by Margaret Moore LYON, David 33 Euphemie 21 Elizabeth 10 George 8 Rebecca 6 Rosebud 2 My feeling is this: * * * FATHER HEBERT 1811-1830, pg. 612 Lyons, David m. Becky Merriman Succ. dated April 1826 (Opel Ct Hse Succ. #393) Lyons, David m. Rebecca Merriman Succ. dated 28 Aug 1829 (Laf Ct Hse.: Succ #164) Does anyone have access to these records above ? Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com ************************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 50 Today's Topics: #1 Re: David Merriman Lyons [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #2 Re: David Merriman Lyons [Sharon ] #3 Re: David Merriman Lyons [Sharon ] #4 GABRIEL LYONS & NANCY BURLEIGH [Sharon ] #5 MARY SERENA LYONS [Sharon ] #6 Re: David Merriman Lyons [David Lawrence ] #7 Re: David Merriman Lyons [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #8 Re: David Lyons & Rebecca Merriman [Jan Craven ] #9 Re: David Merriman Lyons [Jan Craven ] #10 Re: MARY SERENA LYONS [Jan Craven ] #11 Re: Richard West and Sally Lyons ["Ruby Dusek" ] #12 Re: Richard West and Sally Lyons ["Ruby Dusek" ] #13 Re: MARY SERENA LYONS [Sharon ] #14 Re: David Merriman Lyons ["Walter N. Langham, Jr." ] #19 Re: Keep up the good work! ["Lynn & Bill King" ] #21 MICHAEL LYONS m. SUSAN NOLAN AIKLE [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:28:34 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980719.112835.3246.3.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:22:57 -0500 "Lynn & Bill King" writes: >I'm the one who sent in the obit from the Abbeville Meridional on >David Lyons which stated that he died October 15, 1891 at age 65 years, 4 >months and 23 days. Like David, I've had trouble with his birthdate. But now that we have his exact age at death, other than counting backwards, isn't there a formula for figuring birthdate?? Yes Lynn, in the PAF progam I use to use, there is a calendar designed just for that.....by putting in the death date you have above.......David M, Lyons would have been born on Monday, May 22, 1826...so good job David L..........you did pretty good just backtracking!!!!!! _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:33:50 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B211DE.5AAD@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, according to my handy-dandy Tombstone Calculator, he was born on Tuesday, 23 May 1826. Sharon Shaw Lynn & Bill King wrote: > > I'm the one who sent in the obit from the Abbeville Meridional on David > Lyons which stated that he died October 15, 1891 at age 65 years, 4 months > and 23 days. > Like David, I've had trouble with his birthdate. But now that we have his > exact age at death, other than counting backwards, isn't there a formula for > figuring birthdate?? > > I've found other ancestors whose exact death date has been given and it's > been difficult to determine birthdate. > > Have been wanting to respond for several days now, but have two > granddaughters here for the past two days and have been "otherwise occupied" > > Lynn Bagley King ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:38:37 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B212FD.649D@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valerie, we came up with two different dates using our high tech. methods! No one told me when I joined this group that there was going to be math! Sharon Shaw VALERIE L CUNDY wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:22:57 -0500 "Lynn & Bill King" > writes: > >I'm the one who sent in the obit from the Abbeville Meridional on > >David Lyons which stated that he died October 15, 1891 at age 65 years, > 4 > >months and 23 days. Like David, I've had trouble with his birthdate. > But now that we have his exact age at death, other than counting > backwards, isn't there a formula for figuring birthdate?? > > Yes Lynn, in the PAF progam I use to use, there is a calendar designed > just for that.....by putting in the death date you have above.......David > M, Lyons would have been born on Monday, May 22, 1826...so good job David > L..........you did pretty good just backtracking!!!!!! > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 08:55:56 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B2170C.22D6@pacbell.net> Subject: GABRIEL LYONS & NANCY BURLEIGH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While routing around looking for David Merriman Lyons stuff, I found the following on Gabriel Lyons: Certificate of Marriage The Church of St. Charles, formerly Sacred Heart Church, Grand Coteau, Louisiana 70541 This is to Certify That Gabriel Lyons and Nancy Burleigh were lawfully Married on the 2 day of January 1821 According to the Rite of the Roman Catholic Church and in conformity with the laws of the State of Louisiana Rev. H. Brassac officiating, in the presence of Fleury Generelly H. Cuming and Pre Poterd Witnesses, as appears from the marriage Register of this Church. Dated 22 May 1979 Marriage V. 1, p. 6 Paul B. Patin, Pastor ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:05:54 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B21962.3FFE@pacbell.net> Subject: MARY SERENA LYONS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also found the following baptism record for Serena Lyons, but I know the date of birth is wrong! Certificate of Baptism Church of St. Charles Grand Coteau, LA 70541 This is to Certify That Marie Serrina Child of Gabriel Lyons and Nancy Burleigh born in Louisiana on the 8 day of January 1826 was Baptized on the 26 day of December 1828 According to the Rite of the Roman Catholic Church by the Rev. J. Rosti the Sponsors being Charles Loder (?) Savale Burleigh as appears from the Baptismal Register of this Church. Dated 22 May 1979 Baptisms V. 1, p. 70 Paul B. Patin, SJ, Pastor [On the back of this certificate, he wrote} Gabriel born in Pensacola, Fla. son of John Lyons and Nancy Eckart age about 35. widowed of Maly Hays residing in Plaquemine Brulee - Nancy Burleigh born New Orleans daughter of Robert Burleigh and Elizabeth Miller, age about 28. Widow of Richard Slaughter. Three publications of banns. ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 09:12:01 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980719091200.006e8824@mail> Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lynn King was the one who sent in the David Lyons Obit. Thank you, Lynn. >>I'm the one who sent in the obit from the Abbeville Meridional on >>David Lyons which stated that he died October 15, 1891 at age 65 years, >4 >>months and 23 days. Like David, I've had trouble with his birthdate. >But now that we have his exact age at death, other than counting >backwards, isn't there a formula for figuring birthdate?? > >Yes Lynn, in the PAF progam I use to use, there is a calendar designed >just for that.....by putting in the death date you have above.......David >M, Lyons would have been born on Monday, May 22, 1826...so good job David >L..........you did pretty good just backtracking!!!!!! Uh Oh. I didn't mean to suggest that I did the arithmetic in my head. I work as an epidemiologist (a statistician). I try to always use a machine to do my number crunching. I used a couple of utilities to do it. Sometimes they agree to the day. Sometimes there is a day or two difference. This time they agreed on May 23. But May 22, would be good too. For these calculated dates I list then as "circa (date)". Anyway, the exact age at death is only as good as the information known by the person reporting it. From the ages reported to the census-taker, even David M. himself seemed none too sure of his exact birth date. And what about his "barkeeper" occupation? David M. must have led an interesting life. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:26:16 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20587-35B21E28-239@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit all that Sugar cane they had to make RUM HAD TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT !! What better than sell it JOY ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:50:05 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980719135005.008b5bd0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: David Lyons & Rebecca Merriman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sharon, You are SO right!!! THAT is why my advice is to ALWAYS get a copy of the record itself! Another good rule is to ask yourself, "Was there another record BEFORE or AFTER this one that will give me more clues?" Jan At 07:16 AM 7/19/1998 -0700, Sharon wrote: >Jan, > >With all due respect to the good Father and all the hard work he put >into those volumes, there are mistakes. I know when I wrote to >Vermilion Parish for the succession record of James Stokes Shaw, as >cited in Father Hebert's book, I was told: "Once again Rev. Hebert's >books have been misleading, we do not have any record of the succession >you requested." > >So, his books are great guides (Where would we be without them, >right!?), but, you are right, Jan, you need to get the records. > >Sharon Shaw > > > > > > >Jan Craven wrote: >> >> Valerie and all. >> One thing you need to know about how to interpret Fr. H's books. >> In the entries below there are two successions. In order to see WHO the >> succession was for you have to have a copy of that succession. >> The only thing FrH is stating is that FROM this succession you can get proof >> of the MAR of David and Becky! >> I suspect that one if these is David's and the other is Becky's, but you >> have to >> see them to know which was which! >> Also remember that it was sometimes several years after the death that the >> succession took place. But I think that happens everywhere...not just in >> La. >> Hope this helps. >> Jan >> * * * >> FATHER HEBERT >> 1811-1830, pg. 612 >> Lyons, David m. Becky Merriman Succ. dated April 1826 (Opel Ct Hse Succ. >> #393) >> >> Lyons, David m. Rebecca Merriman Succ. dated 28 Aug 1829 (Laf Ct Hse.: >> Succ #164) >> >> * * * > > > ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:00:11 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980719140011.008b4a60@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, Valerie, if there is math, I am outa here! NOW which date do we go with? the 22 or 23????? Jan At 08:38 AM 7/19/1998 -0700, Sharon wrote: >Valerie, we came up with two different dates using our high tech. >methods! No one told me when I joined this group that there was going >to be math! > >Sharon Shaw ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:05:41 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980719140541.0089f590@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: MARY SERENA LYONS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" OK, for all of us Lyons/Burleigh cross breeds, what IS the right dob and what are you basing it on? Jan At 09:05 AM 7/19/1998 -0700, Sharon wrote: >I also found the following baptism record for Serena Lyons, but I know >the date of birth is wrong! > >Certificate of Baptism ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:53:14 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002f01bdb34e$ef9e6c80$cae690d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: Richard West and Sally Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After a previous message from you saying Wayne had sent this article to you, on Wednesday I found the quarterly at Clayton Library. I did not check out all the information in it yet, but the article lists the children of Richard West and Sally Lyons : "11. Elizabeth "Lizzie" West (b 1839) m 3 Feb 1876, Refugio Co to Theophilus S. Maley" THIS IS INCORRECT. Elizabeth West was my great-grandmother. She married Arthur Joseph Gibson on 26 January 1854 in Jefferson County, TX. They went back to Louisiana where they lived in St Mary and Iberia Parishes, and then by the 1880 Census were in Vermilion Parish where they continued to live until their deaths, only returning to Texas for visits. Elizabeth West Gibson died while visiting her daughter Louvinia Clore near Raywood in Liberty County on 6 March 1906. She was buried in Liberty according to my mother's oldest sister who went to the funeral. I have not been able to find the location of this grave through the church or cemetery records. I don't know who this "Lizzie" is, but she is not mine. I plan on writing to the persons who wrote the article in 1993 and asking for their source. ruby -----Original Message----- From: VALERIE L CUNDY To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 11:25 PM Subject: Richard West and Sally Lyons >Thanks Ruby for that article on Richard West and Sally Lyons......what is >the source on that? Where did it come from? > >There is also an article that one of our members, Wayne Linebarger sent >my way before we started this list, it is the : > >Descendants of Richard West and Sally Lyons published in the South Texas >Genealogical Society, Inc. Fall 1993, Vol. 5 No. 3 pgs. 79-83 > >This article is just full of information, I think there is nearly 200 >descendants listed in that thing...If your looking for Info on Richard >West, you don't want to miss this one. > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 14:37:34 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002e01bdb34e$eea42e00$cae690d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: Richard West and Sally Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valerie, After a previous message from you saying Wayne had sent this to you, last Wednesday I found the quarterly at Clayton Library. I did not check out all the information in it, but the article lists child number "11 as Elizabeth "Lizzie" West (b 1839) m. 3 Feb 1876, Refugio Co. to Theophilus S Maley." THIS IS INCORRECT. Elizabeth West was my great-grandmother. She married Arthur Joseph Gibson in Jefferson County and went back to Louisiana with him. They lived in Louisiana, St Mary and Iberia Parish, and by 1880 Census they are in Vermilion Parish. They visited in Texas but did not live there as a couple. Elizabeth died 10 March 1906 in Texas while visiting a daughter in Liberty County and is supposed to be buried in Liberty according to my mother's oldest sister who went to the funeral. I have not been able to find the location of her grave after having checked with the church and cemetery people. I don't know who this "Lizzie" was, but she is not mine. After finding it I planed on writing to the persons who wrote the article and asking for their source. ruby -----Original Message----- From: VALERIE L CUNDY To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, July 18, 1998 11:25 PM Subject: Richard West and Sally Lyons >Thanks Ruby for that article on Richard West and Sally Lyons......what is >the source on that? Where did it come from? > >There is also an article that one of our members, Wayne Linebarger sent >my way before we started this list, it is the : > >Descendants of Richard West and Sally Lyons published in the South Texas >Genealogical Society, Inc. Fall 1993, Vol. 5 No. 3 pgs. 79-83 > >This article is just full of information, I think there is nearly 200 >descendants listed in that thing...If your looking for Info on Richard >West, you don't want to miss this one. > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:40:43 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B259CB.3C99@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: MARY SERENA LYONS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jan, Her death cert., which I have in my hot little hand, says that her dates are: b. March 8, 1827; d. July 6, 1919. And, her census records, which I was just typing, state her ages as: 23 yrs. in Sept. 1850 (b. 1827); 35 yrs. in July 1860 (b. 1825) - oh! oh!; 43 (?)yrs. in 1870 (b. 1827); and 56 yrs. in 1880 (b. 1854) - oh! oh!, again. Personally, I think we are pretty save going with the 1827 date. What do you think? Sharon Shaw Jan Craven wrote: > > OK, for all of us Lyons/Burleigh cross breeds, what IS the > right dob and what are you basing it on? > Jan > At 09:05 AM 7/19/1998 -0700, Sharon wrote: > >I also found the following baptism record for Serena Lyons, but I know > >the date of birth is wrong! > > > >Certificate of Baptism ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:34:40 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <021101bdb376$2f72afc0$9e9286d0@default> Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David We have a lot of those sugar chemist in the woods of east Tx. Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #15 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:55:25 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000301bdb379$16d4c720$2d1890d1@default> Subject: David Merriman Lyons - Sugar Chemist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think he was one industrious guy !! In the 1880 Census his occupation was a "mail driver", so maybe after making rum from the sugar, he was really a rum runner who delivered mail on the side. Lynn Bagley King ______________________________X-Message: #16 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:25:02 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980719.212603.3614.2.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Keep up the good work! Thanks again to Sharon, Shirley and Ruby for contributing such great information to the list! And you too Jan for your great words of wisdom So what do you say the final result is for David Sr and David M. Lyons? David L--, do you want to post to us what you plan to revise on the web site? Then if no one has any more questions, we can put that one to rest. I will have to say I've enjoyed your discussions about David's occupation. I'll be real interested to see what David L does with those thoughts of yours on the web site Get ready for round 2!!!!!!!! I have a few more conflicts to sort out coming your way. Have a great week! Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #17 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:39:48 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <009101bdb37f$4a0b1260$2d1890d1@default> Subject: Re: Keep up the good work! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Before we leave David Merriman Lyons, here's the obit on Euphemie Petry Lyons from June 12, 1897 edition of the Abbeville Meridional, which was transcribed to me by Ken Dupuy, a writer for the Meridional, - "Mrs. D.M. Lyons, nee Petry, died Friday at the residence of son-in-law, Joseph T. Labit, aged 67. One of the oldest residents in town and leaves three sons: George E., William D., Ollie G., and three daughters: Mesdames J. T. Labit, J. C. Mouton and C. C. Roberts. Rev. McMillan performed burial rites at grave in Masonic Cemetery." Lynn Bagley King ______________________________X-Message: #18 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:09:47 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B2A6EB.45D0@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: Keep up the good work! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lynn, Thanks for posting this obit., I needed this info. About the Masonic Cemetery. Is David M. Lyons buried there, too, do you know? One would think, eh? Can you tell me where the cemetery is located? Thanks for your help! Sharon Shaw Lynn & Bill King wrote: > > Before we leave David Merriman Lyons, here's the obit on Euphemie Petry > Lyons from June 12, 1897 edition of the Abbeville Meridional, which was > transcribed to me by Ken Dupuy, a writer for the Meridional, - > > "Mrs. D.M. Lyons, nee Petry, died Friday at the residence of son-in-law, > Joseph T. Labit, aged 67. One of the oldest residents in town and leaves > three sons: George E., William D., Ollie G., and three daughters: Mesdames > J. T. Labit, J. C. Mouton and C. C. Roberts. Rev. McMillan performed burial > rites at grave in Masonic Cemetery." > > Lynn Bagley King ______________________________X-Message: #19 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:41:58 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <025001bdb387$f8a28800$2d1890d1@default> Subject: Re: Keep up the good work! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sharon - Not sure where David M. is buried -- I received a cemetery list from Ken Dupuy (Abbeville Meridional) that lists about 75 people, but his name is not on it. Other names have been hand written on the original. To quote Ken, ". . . the Masonic cemetery is on Main Street near the railroad tracks. It has been there since about 1870, although there is one grave there dating to 1868. The last burial was in 1954, but there were very few after the beginning of the 20th century. It has also been referred to as the Protestant cemetery and was apparently the only such cemetery until about 1906 - 1908, when Graceland was developed. The Catholics also stopped using, for the most part, the cemetery behind the church, around the same time, when a new one was developed across the river. . . ." The cemetery list includes Elizabeth A. Lyons, born 16 October, 1823, died 01 November 1882, "Elizabeth A./Wife of Abram Lyons/Died Nov. 1, 1882/Aged 59 years, 8 ms and 16 ds/ She died as she lived, trusting/in God." I'd be glad to check names for anyone on this list. Lynn ______________________________X-Message: #20 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:06:12 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B2B424.5166@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: Keep up the good work! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Lynn. I thought that since her obit. mentioned her burial in the Masonic Cem., that maybe David M. was there, too. Maybe needs more checking. Thanks, Sharon Lynn & Bill King wrote: > > Sharon - > Not sure where David M. is buried -- I received a cemetery list from Ken > Dupuy (Abbeville Meridional) that lists about 75 people, but his name is not > on it. Other names have been hand written on the original. > To quote Ken, ". . . the Masonic cemetery is on Main Street near the > railroad tracks. It has been there since about 1870, although there is one > grave there dating to 1868. The last burial was in 1954, but there were > very few after the beginning of the 20th century. It has also been referred > to as the Protestant cemetery and was apparently the only such cemetery > until about 1906 - 1908, when Graceland was developed. The Catholics also > stopped using, for the most part, the cemetery behind the church, around the > same time, when a new one was developed across the river. . . ." > > The cemetery list includes Elizabeth A. Lyons, born 16 October, 1823, died > 01 November 1882, "Elizabeth A./Wife of Abram Lyons/Died Nov. 1, 1882/Aged > 59 years, 8 ms and 16 ds/ She died as she lived, trusting/in God." > > I'd be glad to check names for anyone on this list. > > Lynn ______________________________X-Message: #21 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:49:05 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980719.233145.3246.5.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: MICHAEL LYONS m. SUSAN NOLAN AIKLEY The web site states Michael's third marriage to Susan Nolan Aikley to be , 1 April 1834, at Lafayette. Lafayette Parish Marriage records, Book 1, H. II 4, Laf. Ct. Hse.: Mar. #97, widow of John Reeves, states 1 April 1840. Father Hebert's Books, 1831-1840 pg. 434, cites Lyons, Michael m. 1 April 1834--Methodist Episcopal Church Susan Aikly, wid. of John Reeves (Laf. Ct. Hse. Mar #97) Does anyone else have these document? Which date is it? 1840 or 1834? Second---Does anyone know her maiden name? How many marriages did she have? Looking forward to your thoughts!!!!!! Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com ********************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 51 Today's Topics: #1 William Prather and Martha Berwick [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #2 Re: Keep up the good work! [Jan Craven ] #3 Masonic Cemetery [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #4 Re: MICHAEL LYONS m. SUSAN NOLAN A ["Ruby Dusek" ] #5 Re: MICHAEL LYONS m. SUSAN NOLAN A [Sharon ] #6 Birth date of Euphemie Petry [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #7 Re: MICHAEL LYONS m. SUSAN NOLAN A [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #8 Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery ["Lynn & Bill King" ] #10 Children of David Merriman Lyons a ["Lynn & Bill King" ] #12 Re: William Prather and Martha Ber ["CR_AUSTIN" ] #14 Just a reminder [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #15 Re: William Prather and Martha Ber [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #16 Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Ceme [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #17 Birth date of Euphemie Petry [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #18 Family Tree Maker 5.0 [VCundy@aol.com] #19 Re: Birth date of Euphemie Petry ["Harold L Lawrence" Subject: William Prather and Martha Berwick --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: Shirley Smith To: vcundy@juno.com Subject: Lyons again Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 18:42:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980719184242.007b2e70@mail.maas.net> My 'puter is acting up and doesn't want to print or send mail, so I think my last message to you got cut off. Ended with Amanda's obit. SO, I AM sure that Ernestine, married to Iven A. Perkins, is my direct Lyons line. Some good news: the man I told you about who was writing a book on Prather did indeed do that! Carnegie has it and it's very nice, spiral bound, don't know how much it will be. He states: "William Prather Married 10 June 1794 Marthea (Agnes) Berwick (?-?) Issue: 1. Charles (27 Jan 1797 - ?_ 2. William (6 Oct. 1798 - 5 May 1850) William was the son of Cheri Prather and Marie Williams. He was from Virginia. He entered Central Louisiana at least 10 years earlier than any other Prather. His marriage was recorded at St. Landry Catholic Church in Opelousas LA. He probably died between 1822 and 1829. His widow married John Lyons Sr. at Opelousas on November 30, 1829. Marthea was from Manchac, an area of Louisiana near Lake Ponchatrain. She was the daughter of Thomas Berwick of England and Eleanore Helena Bergitta Wales of Ireland. Some property in Berwick Bay was inherited from her father and sold in 1811. William was listed in the 1792 census of Rapides Post LA as a militiaman and resident of Bayou auf Boeufs. He sold land on the Bayou Teche in 1804. He bought a slave in 1813. He paid property taxes to St. Mary parish in 1813 and 1818 and to St. Landry Parish in 1817, all on the Bayou Teche. Charles Prather (27 Jan 1797 - ?) His birth was recorded at St. Martin of Tours Catholic Church, St. Martinville LA. I have not found any other mention of him. William Prat(h)er (6 Oct 1798 - 5 May 1850) Married 27 Aug 1822 Elizabeth Francois "Fanny" Lyons (28 Sept. 1804 - 23 Sept. 1877) Issue: 1. Edwin (4 July 1823 - 27 Mar 1905) 2. Doris (1825 - ?) 3. Lyons (1826 - ?) 4. Anderson (1827 - ?) 5. William Hampton (18 Dec 1829-2Sept 1903) 6. Charles (1831 - 11 Sept. 1897) 7. Mary (1833) 8. Ellen (28 June 1834 - 1 Feb 1922) 9. Hermogin (or possibly Imogen) (1835 - ?) 10. Virgil (1838 - ?) 11. Mary Emaline (28 Feb 1839 - 22 Nov 1908) 12. Sara (1840 - ?) 13. ??? 14 ??? 15. Jasper Newton (22 Oct.1845 - 4 May 1926) They married at Lafayette LA. Fanny was the daughter of Michael Lyons and Marie Hayes. They moved from near Opelousas LA to Big Woods LA about 1832. They died there and are buried in Big Woods Cemetery. According to Edwin's autobiography, William and Fanny had 15 children, but he did not list their names. William was a farmer. On 24 May 1841, he purchased 42 acres in Calcasieu Parish (then property description) During his lifetime the spelling of the surname changed from Prather on his birth, marriage, and land record to Prater on his succession record and tombstone. The children used the Prater spelling. William's mother married Fanny's grandfather, John Lyons, Sr. late in life. Fanny later married a Mr. LeDoux according to her obituary." I'll find out the cost of the book if you're interested and let you know, but it IS on the Prather family, but he does have a Chapter on each of the Prather/Lyons children and their descendants. I HOPE IT'S FOR SALE! I'll put Amanda's obit in the mail but with no cover letter. Let me know what else I can do. Shirley --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:45:56 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980719214556.008ba100@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Keep up the good work! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I know this is beating a dead horse, but since I have spent the entire weekend with these fine folks, would one of you send me the dates on Euphemie and complete and correct list of their children w/thier dates and spice (plural for spouse) so I can check it against what I have. You can send it to me privately if you wish OR post it to the list with the danger of spending the next month on THEM! LOL. I am having fun. Jan At 08:39 PM 7/19/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Before we leave David Merriman Lyons, here's the obit on Euphemie Petry >Lyons from June 12, 1897 edition of the Abbeville Meridional, which was >transcribed to me by Ken Dupuy, a writer for the Meridional, - > > "Mrs. D.M. Lyons, nee Petry, died Friday at the residence of son-in-law, >Joseph T. Labit, aged 67. One of the oldest residents in town and leaves >three sons: George E., William D., Ollie G., and three daughters: Mesdames >J. T. Labit, J. C. Mouton and C. C. Roberts. Rev. McMillan performed burial >rites at grave in Masonic Cemetery." > >Lynn Bagley King > > > ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 23:41:50 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980719.234239.3246.6.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Masonic Cemetery Lynn, who does this Elizabeth and Abram belong to? Where there any other Lyons buried there? Valerie > >The cemetery list includes Elizabeth A. Lyons, born 16 October, 1823, >died >01 November 1882, "Elizabeth A./Wife of Abram Lyons/Died Nov. 1, >1882/Aged >59 years, 8 ms and 16 ds/ She died as she lived, trusting/in God." > >I'd be glad to check names for anyone on this list. > >Lynn > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:47:24 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002401bdb391$1c1af340$1b1890d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: MICHAEL LYONS m. SUSAN NOLAN AIKLEY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the lawsuit after the death of Michael, it states that the Widow entered a marriage contract with him dated 1 April 1934 on the eve of their marriage. I'm a morning person and it is too late to look through all 50 pages of the lawsuit. I will look tomorrow for a note of her maiden name. ruby -----Original Message----- From: VALERIE L CUNDY To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 10:32 PM Subject: MICHAEL LYONS m. SUSAN NOLAN AIKLEY >The web site states Michael's third marriage to Susan Nolan Aikley to be >, 1 April 1834, at Lafayette. > >Lafayette Parish Marriage records, Book 1, H. II 4, Laf. Ct. Hse.: Mar. >#97, widow of John Reeves, states 1 April 1840. > >Father Hebert's Books, 1831-1840 pg. 434, cites Lyons, Michael m. 1 April >1834--Methodist Episcopal Church Susan Aikly, wid. of John Reeves (Laf. >Ct. Hse. Mar #97) > >Does anyone else have these document? Which date is it? 1840 or 1834? > >Second---Does anyone know her maiden name? How many marriages did she >have? > >Looking forward to your thoughts!!!!!! > > >Valerie Lyons Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:53:08 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B2BF24.4C3@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: MICHAEL LYONS m. SUSAN NOLAN AIKLEY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I show her maiden name as Susan Nolan. She mar. first John Reeves; second, (?) Aikley; and then Michael Lyons on 1 Apr. 1834. The last was recorded from that Michael Lyons/John Reeves Bible. No mar. in there for Susan and John. Hopefully, someone else will have better info. Sharon Shaw VALERIE L CUNDY wrote: > > The web site states Michael's third marriage to Susan Nolan Aikley to be > , 1 April 1834, at Lafayette. > > Lafayette Parish Marriage records, Book 1, H. II 4, Laf. Ct. Hse.: Mar. > #97, widow of John Reeves, states 1 April 1840. > > Father Hebert's Books, 1831-1840 pg. 434, cites Lyons, Michael m. 1 April > 1834--Methodist Episcopal Church Susan Aikly, wid. of John Reeves (Laf. > Ct. Hse. Mar #97) > > Does anyone else have these document? Which date is it? 1840 or 1834? > > Second---Does anyone know her maiden name? How many marriages did she > have? > > Looking forward to your thoughts!!!!!! > > > Valerie Lyons Cundy > vcundy@juno.com > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:09:31 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980720.000934.3246.7.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Birth date of Euphemie Petry On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 21:45:56 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >I know this is beating a dead horse, but since I have spent the entire >weekend with these fine folks, would one of you send me the dates on Euphemie >and complete and correct list of their children w/thier dates and spice >(plural for spouse) so I can check it against what I have. You can send it to me >privatel if you wish OR post it to the list with the danger of spending the next month on >THEM! LOL. I am having fun. Jan Send it too you privately?????? What is this???? Are you suggesting someone might question a date or something.....REALLY, Jan !!!!!! You must have this confused with some other genealogical list. LOL....I'm having a lot of fun too.....just hope the rest of you are and that I'm not driving you too crazy :) NOW--back to business....since someone wanted to talk about Euphemie...I just happened to realize that her ages on the census David L provided us with are quite interesting. Take a look--- Vermilion Parish Census 1850 David Lyons, 22; Farm, $500 Eupheme Petry, 22 (DOB c 1828) 1860 LYON, David 33 Euphemie 21(DOB c 1839) 1870 David Lyons 45, Barkeeper George 18 Lizzie 20 Euphemia 34 (DOB c 1836) 1880 David Lyons 52 Euphemie 48 (DOB c 1832) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:24:07 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980720.002409.3246.9.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: MICHAEL LYONS m. SUSAN NOLAN AIKLEY I'm starting to feel like that 1840 date was a typo...... and I bet some of ya'll thought I was gonna drag this on forever....huh Jan? Valerie _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:50:43 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000801bdb3dd$03b3c7e0$72e290d1@default> Subject: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Val - Don't know who this Elizabeth Lyons is unless she is the wife of Aborn Lyons and that the Abram is just a misspelling. Aborn Lyons was born in 1812, married Elizabeth Ann Reeves in 1841. The dates could fit. There are no other Lyons listed (except Euphemie Petry Lyons). Be glad to type the names from this cemetery list and if anyone wants details, I'll supply them. Lynn ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:24:41 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002101bdb3e1$c1b32ac0$bae390d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I grew up in Abbeville and never visited that cemetery, although I drive by it at least twice every time I go there. That's where I was last weekend. I think the cemetery listing is on microfilm at Clayton. It was done by Loraine Brinley if it is. ruby -----Original Message----- From: Lynn & Bill King To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 7:50 AM Subject: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery >Val - >Don't know who this Elizabeth Lyons is unless she is the wife of Aborn Lyons >and that the Abram is just a misspelling. >Aborn Lyons was born in 1812, married Elizabeth Ann Reeves in 1841. The >dates could fit. >There are no other Lyons listed (except Euphemie Petry Lyons). >Be glad to type the names from this cemetery list and if anyone wants >details, I'll supply them. > >Lynn > ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:40:49 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000e01bdb3e4$063e3f20$72e290d1@default> Subject: Children of David Merriman Lyons and Euphemie Petry Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jan - Here's what I have -- not complete -- most came from Fr. Hebert, census records, Harold Lawrence, History of Vermilion Parish, & David Lawrence's www pages: Elizabeth (Lizzie) Lyons, b. 1 July 1850, married Joseph Labit on 12 Oct 1870 in Abbeville (no death date) George Ernest Lyons, b. 1852, married Clarisse Marie Mouton on 16 Oct 1872 in Abbeville (no death date) Rebecca Lyons, b. 31 May 1855, married Cesaire Mouton on 29 Jan 1873 in Abbeville (no death date) Rosa Lyons, b 1858 (cannot find complete date) in Vermilion Parish, married Martin Bagley on 11 Feb 1878 in Abbeville, died 1 Jan 1891 (3 January is often used, but I have copied directly from the Abbeville Meridional the date of January 1 -- the newspaper is dated January 3, which is probably erroneously used) William David Lyons, b. 13 May 1861 Leila Lyons, b. 8 Jan 1866, married Charles C. Roberts 28 Dec 1889 in Abbeville Joseph Oliver Lyons, b. 3 Feb 1883 in Abbeville, died 13 Nov 1891 in Lydia. Would like to compare these dates, etc. with you -- mine are rather incomplete and not well documented. Notice that David Lawrence has listed Live Oak Plantation as the birthplace of these kids. David, I can't find anything on this plantation, but I know there was a Lyons Plantation - same one? Thanks, Lynn ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:58:18 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000601bdb3e6$7409ef20$cf1b90d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: Children of David Merriman Lyons and Euphemie Petry Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Live Oak Plantation is south of Abbeville on the Vermilion. It is owned by the Godchaux family. ruby -----Original Message----- From: Lynn & Bill King To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 8:40 AM Subject: Children of David Merriman Lyons and Euphemie Petry >Jan - Here's what I have -- not complete -- most came from Fr. Hebert, >census records, Harold Lawrence, History of Vermilion Parish, & David >Lawrence's www pages: > Elizabeth (Lizzie) Lyons, b. 1 July 1850, married Joseph Labit on 12 Oct >1870 in Abbeville (no death date) > > George Ernest Lyons, b. 1852, married Clarisse Marie Mouton on 16 Oct >1872 in Abbeville (no death date) > > Rebecca Lyons, b. 31 May 1855, married Cesaire Mouton on 29 Jan 1873 in >Abbeville (no death date) > > Rosa Lyons, b 1858 (cannot find complete date) in Vermilion Parish, >married Martin Bagley on 11 Feb 1878 in Abbeville, died 1 Jan 1891 (3 >January is often used, but I have copied directly from the Abbeville >Meridional the date of January 1 -- the newspaper is dated January 3, which >is probably erroneously used) > > William David Lyons, b. 13 May 1861 > > Leila Lyons, b. 8 Jan 1866, married Charles C. Roberts 28 Dec 1889 in >Abbeville > > Joseph Oliver Lyons, b. 3 Feb 1883 in Abbeville, died 13 Nov 1891 in >Lydia. > >Would like to compare these dates, etc. with you -- mine are rather >incomplete and not well documented. > >Notice that David Lawrence has listed Live Oak Plantation as the birthplace >of these kids. David, I can't find anything on this plantation, but I know >there was a Lyons Plantation - same one? > >Thanks, Lynn > ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:49:05 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807201641.MAA24728@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The book you mentioned about the William Prater family is probably the one I told you about, Valerie, by Lynn DeMary. I'm sure it's for sale unless he has sold them all. He has a chapter on each of the children, but some of them are just the names and dates and possibly a spouse. His address is Mr. Lynn DeMary, 430 East Elgie, Beaumont TX 77705-2543. Is there anybody else out there from this line? Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:01:30 -0500 From: "kellyt" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <004201bdb408$6c6f1840$ec30fcd0@kt-p2-300> Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons - Sugar Chemist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ha ha ha ha ha ha ! -----Original Message----- From: Lynn & Bill King To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 7:56 PM Subject: David Merriman Lyons - Sugar Chemist >I think he was one industrious guy !! In the 1880 Census his occupation was >a "mail driver", so maybe after making rum from the sugar, he was really a >rum runner who delivered mail on the side. > >Lynn Bagley King > > ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:10:04 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980720.151005.3246.1.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Just a reminder For those of you who haven't posted your connection, it's not too late. David Lawrence puts these connections up on the web site and we don't want to leave anyone out. * * * Also, when you reply to a post on the list try to remember and check the subject field, we want to keep those titles as clear and to the point of the message as much as possible, this helps in searching the archives and for those new members just joining. * * * David Lawrence has agreed to maintenance the John Lyons web site for this list, I just wanted to remind everyone again, that the information on the web site is the result of "our" work here on the list, so please visit the site, copy what's there and use it as a guide. We want anything on that site to be as accurate as it possibly can. About June 1st, then beginning of this list, David writes the following suggestions in regards to how things could work on the web site: Where there are differences (such as more than one date and place of birth), my plan is to list all of them with notes about the controversy. As I see it, at first, this will be a working document for all of us -- a way to get all of our ideas side by side in one place. As we agree (or agree to disagree) I'll revise the document.If you disagree with information there, let's talk about it, Just something I wanted you all to keep in mind as we "work" through these problems that come up. * * * Finally, I know things can get a little "hectic" on here from time to time.....If the mail volume is more than you care to deal with I can switch you to DIGEST mode, this reduces the amount of mail you receive at one time. Instead of getting every single post as a single message, you would get a digest of several post in one message, we have a couple of folks on that option now and I assume it works fairly well......SO if your interested in that option, let me know and I can switch you. Valerie _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #15 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:17:16 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980720.151718.3246.2.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Thanks Carol for the address, one of our members Shirley Smith actually wrote that message about the Prather book and I forwarded it to the list. Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:49:05 -0700 "CR_AUSTIN" writes: >The book you mentioned about the William Prater family is probably the >one >I told you about, Valerie, by Lynn DeMary. I'm sure it's for sale >unless he >has sold them all. He has a chapter on each of the children, but some >of >them are just the names and dates and possibly a spouse. His address >is Mr. >Lynn DeMary, 430 East Elgie, Beaumont TX 77705-2543. > >Is there anybody else out there from this line? >Carol Austin > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #16 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:22:04 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980720.153735.3246.3.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery Anyone else have a clue as to who this Elizabeth is?? Valerie Lyons Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:50:43 -0500 "Lynn & Bill King" writes: >Val - >Don't know who this Elizabeth Lyons is unless she is the wife of Aborn >Lyons >and that the Abram is just a misspelling. >Aborn Lyons was born in 1812, married Elizabeth Ann Reeves in 1841. >The >dates could fit. >There are no other Lyons listed (except Euphemie Petry Lyons). >Be glad to type the names from this cemetery list and if anyone wants >details, I'll supply them. > >Lynn > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #17 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:23:56 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980720.153735.3246.4.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Birth date of Euphemie Petry Did anyone have any thoughts on Euphemie's birthdate? What year are we going to settle with? Vermilion Parish Census 1850 David Lyons, 22; Farm, $500 Eupheme Petry, 22 (DOB c 1828) 1860 LYON, David 33 Euphemie 21(DOB c 1839) 1870 David Lyons 45, Barkeeper George 18 Lizzie 20 Euphemia 34 (DOB c 1836) 1880 David Lyons 52 Euphemie 48 (DOB c 1832) _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #18 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:45:13 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <43b30618.35b39e4a@aol.com> Subject: Family Tree Maker 5.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This was a post I copied from another list I'm on, I don't have version 5.0, I didn't even know it existed! But now I'm not so sure I would want it right away. Just sending this FYI for those of you who use FTM. Valerie ****************************************************************************** ****************** I just purchased Family Tree Maker 5.0 since it looked like that added some terrific features. I immediately installed it over my previous version of Family Tree Maker (ver. 4.4) and I have had nothing but problems ever since. I have been in contact with Banner Blue and trying to document the problems, three major ones so far. Very briefly the problems I have had so far: 1. The program changes label names (such as Fact 1, immigration). I will make a change to one individual and find those changes made in the label names of another indivual. Or all the label names for a person will be changed to one label, such as Fact 1, Fact 2, and Immigration all changed to Fact 3. 2. The program crashes when I am in a descentant tree and choose from the menu Format, "Box, line and Border Styles." They tell me I am not the only one having this problem and it could be I have an older version of windows 95. 3. The hourglass tree does not display descendants properly for half siblings, when the father of the half siblings is the person choosen for the tree. I am going back to version 4.4 until these problems are solved. ______________________________X-Message: #19 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:06:32 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <006801bdb419$e4db47c0$60438fd0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: Birth date of Euphemie Petry Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have 1836. Her birthdate seems to have crept forward as time passed. It's a phenomena that apparently still happens. If my date of 1836 is correct, then she would have been about 13 when she married if 1849 is the correct date. harold -----Original Message----- From: VALERIE L CUNDY To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 2:37 PM Subject: Birth date of Euphemie Petry >Did anyone have any thoughts on Euphemie's birthdate? What year are we >going to settle with? > ______________________________X-Message: #20 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:10:29 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002f01bdb41a$74162680$3a1990d1@default> Subject: Re: Birth date of Euphemie Petry Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I plan to go to Clayton library one day this week and will look at all of the censuses instead of a transcription of them. I'll check the Soundex, also, for dates. Perhaps someone transcribed them incorrectly - or couldn't read the handwriting. If I find any discrepancy, we may be able to eliminate at least one of these birthdates. However, in the 1850 census, her mother, Selina Wofford, was listed as age 42 when Mary Euphemie was 22, making Selena 20 when Euphemie was born. Also, in the 1860 census which shows her to be 21, she has a 10-year old daughter !! Anyone ??? Lynn ********************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 52 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Ceme ["Harold L Lawrence" ] #4 Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Ceme ["Ruby Dusek" ] #5 Elizabeth Lyons/Aborn (Abram) Lyon ["Lynn & Bill King" ] #10 Re: William Prather and Martha Ber ["CR_AUSTIN" ] #13 Lyons Lineage [Lesylee Gautreaux ] #16 Re: Lyons Lineage [ChezMary@aol.com] #17 Re: Just a reminder [Mhamm6102@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:34:40 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <007c01bdb41d$d2925aa0$60438fd0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could this be the Elizabeth A. Lyons you are looking for? Didn't get a copy of the newspapers -- Ken hand copied them. He also sent a copy of the cemetery listing -- only significant other one is Elizabeth A. Lyons, born 16 October 1823, died 01 Nov 1882, "Elizabeth A. / Wife of Abram Lyons / Died Nov. 1, 1882 / Aged 59 years, 8 ms. & 16 ds. / She died as she lived, trusting / in God" I have an: ?ascon Lyons b. June 1848 Abel " b. 5 Aug 1806 m. Ann Druzilla Aborn " b. 19 Oct 1812 m. Elizabeth Ann Reeves d. 15 May 1841 Albron " as an alternate spelling to Aborn and now Abram Who are Abram & Elizabeth A Lyons connected to? harold -----Original Message----- From: VALERIE L CUNDY To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery >Anyone else have a clue as to who this Elizabeth is?? > >Valerie Lyons Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > >On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:50:43 -0500 "Lynn & Bill King" > writes: >>Val - >>Don't know who this Elizabeth Lyons is unless she is the wife of Aborn >>Lyons >>and that the Abram is just a misspelling. >>Aborn Lyons was born in 1812, married Elizabeth Ann Reeves in 1841. >>The >>dates could fit. >>There are no other Lyons listed (except Euphemie Petry Lyons). >>Be glad to type the names from this cemetery list and if anyone wants >>details, I'll supply them. >> >>Lynn >> >> ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:59:06 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <009701bdb421$3cf12900$60438fd0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the following Berwicks: Agness Ellenor Female? Joseph Mary Angelica Thomas Are any of these connected to Wm. Prather and Martha Berwick? harold -----Original Message----- From: CR_AUSTIN To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 11:44 AM Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick >The book you mentioned about the William Prater family is probably the one >I told you about, Valerie, by Lynn DeMary. I'm sure it's for sale unless he >has sold them all. He has a chapter on each of the children, but some of >them are just the names and dates and possibly a spouse. His address is Mr. >Lynn DeMary, 430 East Elgie, Beaumont TX 77705-2543. > >Is there anybody else out there from this line? >Carol Austin > ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:10:07 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <013501bdb422$d876e440$b1e590d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: Keep up the good work! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most towns have the street named Main as the main street. Abbeville's main street is called State Street. If you go to Abbeville, do not cross the bayou at the by-pass, instead take the business route and cross the bayou by St Mary Magdalene Catholic Church. Main Street is the first street after crossing the bridge. The cemetery is about two long blocks to the right, just before getting to the railroad tracks. ruby -----Original Message----- From: Lynn & Bill King To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 9:41 PM Subject: Re: Keep up the good work! >Sharon - >Not sure where David M. is buried -- I received a cemetery list from Ken >Dupuy (Abbeville Meridional) that lists about 75 people, but his name is not >on it. Other names have been hand written on the original. >To quote Ken, ". . . the Masonic cemetery is on Main Street near the >railroad tracks. It has been there since about 1870, although there is one >grave there dating to 1868. The last burial was in 1954, but there were >very few after the beginning of the 20th century. It has also been referred >to as the Protestant cemetery and was apparently the only such cemetery >until about 1906 - 1908, when Graceland was developed. The Catholics also >stopped using, for the most part, the cemetery behind the church, around the >same time, when a new one was developed across the river. . . ." > >The cemetery list includes Elizabeth A. Lyons, born 16 October, 1823, died >01 November 1882, "Elizabeth A./Wife of Abram Lyons/Died Nov. 1, 1882/Aged >59 years, 8 ms and 16 ds/ She died as she lived, trusting/in God." > >I'd be glad to check names for anyone on this list. > >Lynn > ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:21:44 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <015b01bdb424$668ed160$b1e590d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harold, I will be in Abbeville from August 12-24. The library there has copies of the Abbeville Meridonal. If you or anyone wants a copy of anything, AND YOU KNOW THE DATE OF THE NEWSPAPER, I can probably copy it. ruby dusek -----Original Message----- From: Harold L Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery >Could this be the Elizabeth A. Lyons you are looking for? > >Didn't get a copy of the newspapers -- Ken hand copied them. He also sent a >copy of the cemetery listing -- only significant other one is Elizabeth A. >Lyons, born 16 October 1823, died 01 Nov 1882, "Elizabeth A. / Wife of Abram >Lyons / Died Nov. 1, 1882 / Aged 59 years, 8 ms. & 16 ds. / She died as she >lived, trusting / in God" > >I have an: ?ascon Lyons b. June 1848 > Abel " b. 5 Aug 1806 m. Ann Druzilla > Aborn " b. 19 Oct 1812 m. Elizabeth Ann Reeves >d. 15 May 1841 > Albron " as an alternate spelling to Aborn >and now Abram > >Who are Abram & Elizabeth A Lyons connected to? >harold > >-----Original Message----- >From: VALERIE L CUNDY >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 2:37 PM >Subject: Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery > > >>Anyone else have a clue as to who this Elizabeth is?? >> >>Valerie Lyons Cundy >>vcundy@juno.com >> >>On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 07:50:43 -0500 "Lynn & Bill King" >> writes: >>>Val - >>>Don't know who this Elizabeth Lyons is unless she is the wife of Aborn >>>Lyons >>>and that the Abram is just a misspelling. >>>Aborn Lyons was born in 1812, married Elizabeth Ann Reeves in 1841. >>>The >>>dates could fit. >>>There are no other Lyons listed (except Euphemie Petry Lyons). >>>Be glad to type the names from this cemetery list and if anyone wants >>>details, I'll supply them. >>> >>>Lynn >>> >>> > ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:50:41 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002301bdb430$d9951d20$c7e690d1@default> Subject: Elizabeth Lyons/Aborn (Abram) Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harold - I think this is really the wife of Aborn Lyons and not Abram. I've seen many different spellings of Aborn. He was born in 1812 and married Elizabeth Ann Reeves as you listed. Aborn is the child of Mary Hayes and Michael Lyons -- (Also, he sold land to Martin & Timothy Bagley on 7 Dec 1874.) Lynn Bagley King ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:21:04 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980720.192652.3246.8.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Elizabeth Lyons - Masonic Cemetery Harold, if you or anyone else on here figures this one out be sure to let the rest of us know :) Valerie On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:34:40 -0500 "Harold L Lawrence" writes: >Could this be the Elizabeth A. Lyons you are looking for? > >Didn't get a copy of the newspapers -- Ken hand copied them. He also >sent a >copy of the cemetery listing -- only significant other one is >Elizabeth A. >Lyons, born 16 October 1823, died 01 Nov 1882, "Elizabeth A. / Wife of >Abram >Lyons / Died Nov. 1, 1882 / Aged 59 years, 8 ms. & 16 ds. / She died >as she >lived, trusting / in God" > >I have an: ?ascon Lyons b. June 1848 > Abel " b. 5 Aug 1806 m. Ann Druzilla > Aborn " b. 19 Oct 1812 m. Elizabeth Ann >Reeves >d. 15 May 1841 > Albron " as an alternate spelling to >Aborn >and now Abram > >Who are Abram & Elizabeth A Lyons connected to? >harold > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:24:12 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980720.192652.3246.9.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Birth date of Euphemie Petry Thanks for looking into this Lynn. Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:10:29 -0500 "Lynn & Bill King" writes: >I plan to go to Clayton library one day this week and will look at all >of >the censuses instead of a transcription of them. I'll check the >Soundex, >also, for dates. Perhaps someone transcribed them incorrectly - or >couldn't >read the handwriting. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:53:26 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000701bdb439$98a493a0$c7e390d1@default> Subject: Last (?) Word on Sugar Chemist - David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a quote from January 27, 1883 Abbeville Meridional: "There was a surprise party at our old friend D.M. Lyons on Monday evening and a most agreeable one. There was a flow of wine and soul and sweet strains of music lent enchantment to the scene. Young and old mixed in the dance and it was only when night was paling in the east, that all went home, on their way rejoicing with many harbored dreams. Miss Leila was sparkling of mind and beauty and the _?_?_?_?_ old folks for their usual genial hospitality." Still not sure of his occupation, but he throws a nice party !! Lynn ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:37:58 -0500 From: Shirley Smith To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980720213758.007bad70@mail.maas.net> Subject: Lyons Lineage Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Valerie: This is my line: John Lyons, Sr. and Nancy Ahart John Lyons, Jr. and Marie Foreman John Lyons and Amanda Stanton Ernestine Lyons and Iven A. Perkins Viana Perkins and Jasper Newton Robertson Emmett L. Robertson and Gertrude Eliza Romero Shirley Genevieve Robertson and Arthur Chumley Shirley Ann Chumley Now, I have these dates for Viana: born June 9, 1866 Calcasieu Parish, LA. died Feb. 23, 1950 Lake Charles, LA. married ca. 1890 (courthouse burned) Jasper Newton Robertson born January 30, 1857 Calcasieu Parish, LA. died March 12, 1927 DeQuincy, LA. Buried Orange Grove - Graceland Cemetery, Lake Charles with markers Iven A. Perkins: born February 5, 1841 Calcasieu Parish, LA. died June 16, 1904 Lake Charles, LA. married July 9, 1861 Buried Orange Grove - Graceland w/marker next to Ernestine. Iven A. was a Mason. I have obituaries if anyone needs anything. Shirley Smith ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:39:57 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807210331.XAA83528@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have the following children for Thomas Berwick and Eleanor Helena Birgitta Wallace/Wales. Does anybody have more or different information? Joseph, m. Helen Comstock Agnes Martha m. 10 Jun 1794 William Prater, m. 2) John Lyons Marie, m. 10 Jun 1794 John Merriman Inez (?) b. 15 Feb 1778 Marguerite Rebecca b. 11 May 1786, m. 20 Aug 1798 William Newman, m. 2) Luke O'Brien Anne b. 22 Nov 1788, Opelousas, m. 18 Sep 1805 Christopher O'Brien Thomas married 2) Rachel Comstock. I have the following children for that marriage: Thomas b. 14 Jan 1797 William b. 6 Jan 1799 Delphine b. 22 Jul 1802 Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:26:16 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980721.070327.3246.13.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Luvicy Jane and Samuel Richard Lyons Does anyone have this couple in their files? Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:28:19 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001201bdb49a$aa567d00$da1b90d1@rdusek> Subject: La Voix des Prairies Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone been in contact with Sandre Vincent Trahan, Rt 10, box 1201-B, Orange, TX 77630? The Januaray 1995 issue of Evangeline Genealogical and Historical Society had an excellent article titled "The Two Families of John Lyons, Jr." It is well documented 12 pages. ruby ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 05:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Lesylee Gautreaux To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980721122454.4750.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> Subject: Lyons Lineage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello to everyone! My name is Lesylee Prejean Gautreaux. I am origally from Orange, Texas & presently live in a small community 3 miles west of Beaumont. My Lyons lineage is as follows: John Lyons & Nancy Ahart William Lyons & Hetty Hayes Tabitha Lyons & Simeon Vincent John A. Vincent & Artemise Reon Zelma Vincent & Henry J. Perkins Dempsey Perkins & Lovenia Gallien Peggy Perkins & Harold Prejean Lesylee Prejean m. Burke Gautreaux _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:12:38 EDT From: ChezMary@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2990237e.35b493c7@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lyons Lineage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi---- I'm a cousin, grew up in Vinton (sure you know where that is) moved away for 22 years and back in Houston, Travel I-10 to Vinton often!!! Glad you are on board with us! Mary Dee Richard Nicks ______________________________X-Message: #15 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 06:29:55 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980721062954.006fc5f4@mail> Subject: Re: Lyons Lineage & WWW site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm falling a little behind revising the Lyons WWW site. I'll get to it soon. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ______________________________X-Message: #16 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:31:37 EDT From: ChezMary@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8116a485.35b4983a@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lyons Lineage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I knew I should not have opened this puter without having coffee first!!!! That msg was supposed to be for the lady from near Beaumont that used to live in Orange! Hello Ms Gauthier!! sorry gang!!!!!!! mary dee ______________________________X-Message: #17 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:44:14 EDT From: Mhamm6102@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <78f9f8cd.35b4a93f@aol.com> Subject: Re: Just a reminder Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Valerie, could you switch me o digest mode? Grandchildren are here and using computer, so I can't get to it very often-maybe digest mode would work better for me.Thanks, Mary *************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 53 Today's Topics: #1 MARY SERENA LYONS & MY TWO CENTS [Sharon ] #2 Re: William Prather and Martha Ber ["Harold L Lawrence" ] #7 Re: Luvicy Jane and Samuel Richard [Jan Craven ] #8 (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #9 Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO [ChezMary@aol.com] #10 Re: digest mode ["Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B4B91D.7270@pacbell.net> Subject: MARY SERENA LYONS & MY TWO CENTS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, everybody! There is a question about Serena's birthdate! Her death cert. states 8 Mar. 1827. However, her baptismal rec. states she was b. 8 Mar. 1828. Census records have conflicting ages for her. So, we have another questionable date even though there are lots of docs. I know, keep digging! I want to thank Jan Craven for her eagle eye and excellent logic in catching the questionable stuff and helping me to better understand the data. I appreciate it, Jan! And, while I am at it, I would like to thank ALL OF YOU, too! You share your research, input docs. and info. and that WEB PAGE - fantastic!!!! I have gotten more done on my Lyons family since joining this group than at any other time, and it's all thanks to everyone of you. I really do appreciate it. Sharon Shaw ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:34:07 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001d01bdb4d6$267bf1e0$434b84d0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol, I have John I. Merriman m. Mary Angelica Berwick 10 Jun 1794, in St. Landry Parish, La. with the following children: Anna b. 9Jun 1796 Eleanora b. 17 Apr 1800 Joseph b. abt July 1802 Margaret Rebecca b. 12 Jan 1804 [my line] Jean [sex ?] b.29 Jan 1806 Anne Dufile b. 2 Jan 1810 And to further confuse the matter, from another source these children: John Merriman William Elleana Merriman b. 17 Jun 1798 Margaret Rebecca Merriman b. 12 Jan 1804 [my line] And I have Thomas Berwick's only spouse as Mary A. O'Brian. It looks as if you have some really good material! I will appreciate your comments. Thanks Carol harold -----Original Message----- From: CR_AUSTIN To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, July 20, 1998 10:33 PM Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick >I have the following children for Thomas Berwick and Eleanor Helena >Birgitta Wallace/Wales. Does anybody have more or different information? > >Joseph, m. Helen Comstock >Agnes Martha m. 10 Jun 1794 William Prater, m. 2) John Lyons >Marie, m. 10 Jun 1794 John Merriman >Inez (?) b. 15 Feb 1778 >Marguerite Rebecca b. 11 May 1786, m. 20 Aug 1798 William Newman, m. 2) >Luke O'Brien >Anne b. 22 Nov 1788, Opelousas, m. 18 Sep 1805 Christopher O'Brien > >Thomas married 2) Rachel Comstock. I have the following children for that >marriage: > Thomas b. 14 Jan 1797 > William b. 6 Jan 1799 > Delphine b. 22 Jul 1802 > >Carol Austin > ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 14:00:15 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <22405-35B4E53F-20@mailtod-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Just a reminder Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Val switch me too, have a wedding coming up & don't to miss anything JOY ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:39:53 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807211931.PAA14608@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harold: Which Thomas Berwick married Mary A. O'Brian? The father or the son b. 14 Jan 1797? Thanks for the additional information on the Berwick/Merrimans. My information all came from Fr. Hebert's SW LA, I think. Since I live in California, my opportunities to research in Louisiana are nil. All you Louisiana people are SO lucky. Great food and genealogy too. Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:28:16 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <005a01bdb4e6$18608b60$434b84d0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol, I have only one Thomas Berwick and no dates. His father: Joseph Berwick and no dates or other info. Thomas Berwick m. Mary A. O'Bryan issue: Mary Angelica Berwick female? Berwick And checking the file David Lawrence so kindly sent, he has: Thomas Berwick b. abt 1740 in Pennsylvania, d. 28 Mar. 1789 in Berwick, St. Mary Parish, La. m. Mary A. O'Bryon [sp. not a typo] Issue: Mary Angelica Berwick 2nd spouse: Eleanore Helena Birgitta Wallace b. 14 Aug 1748 in Ireland Issue: Elenor Eleanor Birgita [Birgitta?] Joseph Marthea Marguerite Rebecca b. 11 May 1786 Anne Dawsoil b. 22 Nov. 1788 And then: Spouseless relationship: Rice, male, no dates. b. in Berwick, St Mary Parish, La. -----Original Message----- From: CR_AUSTIN To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:32 PM Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick >Harold: > Which Thomas Berwick married Mary A. O'Brian? The father or the son b. 14 >Jan 1797? > Thanks for the additional information on the Berwick/Merrimans. My >information all came from Fr. Hebert's SW LA, I think. Since I live in >California, my opportunities to research in Louisiana are nil. All you >Louisiana people are SO lucky. Great food and genealogy too. >Carol Austin > ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:44:44 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980721084444.008aecd0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Last (?) Word on Sugar Chemist - David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" HA! So much for the Prim Propper Victorian Life! Could this be American Victorian life-Cajun Style???? "When the night was paling in the east". Hmmmm Sounds like they stayed out all night! *I* wasn't allowed to do that!!! NOW, I can't because of OTHER reasons! LOL Jan At 06:53 PM 7/20/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Here's a quote from January 27, 1883 Abbeville Meridional: > "There was a surprise party at our old friend D.M. Lyons on Monday >evening and a most agreeable one. There was a flow of wine and soul and >sweet strains of music lent enchantment to the scene. Young and old mixed >in the dance and it was only when night was paling in the east, that all >went home, on their way rejoicing with many harbored dreams. Miss Leila was >sparkling of mind and beauty and the _?_?_?_?_ old folks for their usual >genial hospitality." > >Still not sure of his occupation, but he throws a nice party !! > >Lynn > > > ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:06:45 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980721080645.008aecd0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Luvicy Jane and Samuel Richard Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi. I do. Much of my info comes from YOU, Val. But I personally knew his daughter Ona....she gave me my teddy bear when I was a little girl and "Teddy" sits in my kitchen window today overseeing the cooking I try NOT to do! I don't have this in my notes for some reason, but I think Ona married also John Ecker.....brother of Ike. I know she m. one of Ike's brothers either before or after and I have not been able to determine which one and when. Mary Dee, Do you know? Maybe Totie (MD's Ma) remembers! MD, if you talk to her today, ask her, pleeze! Another daughter, Jane married my gr. uncle Ben. The third daughter, Daisy m. a Puckett and I knew some of their children well. Here is a 2 generation report on the family. Descendants of Samuel R Lyons Generation No. 1 1. SAMUEL R6 LYONS (DAVID H5, SAMUEL4, JOHN MICHAEL3, JOHN2, SAMUEL1) was born 02 Apr 1852 in Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Civil War Veterans of Old Imperial Calcasieu Par. by SW Gen Soc. P 189), and died 26 Aug 1934 in Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Big Woods Cemetery Records). He married (1) TABITHA E. LYONS 29 Sep 1870 (Source: Valerie Lyons Cundy.), daughter of DAVID LYONS and LOUISIA PERKINS. He married (2) LEVICY JANE LYONS 14 Jul 1896 in Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Valerie Lyons Cundy.), daughter of DAVID LYONS and LOUISIA PERKINS. He married (3) EMMA GARRETT (Source: Obituary of Samuel R. Lyons..) 08 Jul 1910 in Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Valerie Lyons Cundy.). More About SAMUEL R LYONS: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Calcasieu Par. LA More About TABITHA E. LYONS: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Calcasieu Par. LA Notes for LEVICY JANE LYONS: Did Luvicy Jane Lyons also marry Thomas Newton Lyons, s/o Oscar and Tabitha Lyons??? She is buried next to him in Big Woods, and he died in 1891. She m. Samuel R. in 1896. More About LEVICY JANE LYONS: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Calcasieu Par. LA Children of SAMUEL LYONS and TABITHA LYONS are: i. ONA7 LYONS, b. 06 Oct 1873, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: 1880 Calcaseiu Parish Census); d. 29 May 1962, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Obit. LCAP 5/29/1962 p. 2); m. ISAAC S "IKE" ECKER (Source: Personal knowledge of JBC.). Notes for ONA LYONS: All my great aunts and my Grandmother, Kathryn called her "Cud'n Ona". She gave me Teddy when I was a baby. Teddy remained one of my favorite toys for years and he slept with me until I was in high school. He now has a place of honor in my kitchen window sitting in a little wicker chair that my father bought for me in New Orleans when he went for his Coast Guard discharge in 1945. More About ONA LYONS: Place burried: Graceland/Orange Grove Cemetery Lake Charles, LA More About ISAAC S "IKE" ECKER: Place burried: Graceland/Orange Grove Cemetery Lake Charles, LA 2. ii. TOBITHA JANE LYONS, b. 1875; d. 1957, Calcasieu Parish, LA. iii. DAVID C LYONS, b. 1876, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: 1880 Calcaseiu Parish Census); d. 1948, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Graceland/Orange Grove Cemetery Records.). More About DAVID C LYONS: Place burried: Graceland/Orange Grove Cemetery Lake Charles, LA iv. MALACHI LYONS, b. 1882, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Rose Mary Fritz.); d. 13 Jan 1883, Calcasieu Parish, LA. 3. v. DAISY LYONS, b. 06 Nov 1884, Calcasieu Parish, LA; d. 15 Jan 1932, Calcasieu Parish, LA. Generation No. 2 2. TOBITHA JANE7 LYONS (SAMUEL R6, DAVID H5, SAMUEL4, JOHN MICHAEL3, JOHN2, SAMUEL1) was born 1875 (Source: Cemetery record), and died 1957 in Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Cemetery record). She married BENJAMIN ALLEN HAMPTON, son of CHARLES HAMPTON and CATHERINE PERKINS. More About TOBITHA JANE LYONS: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Calcasieu Par. LA More About BENJAMIN ALLEN HAMPTON: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Calcasieu Par. LA Marriage Notes for TOBITHA LYONS and BENJAMIN HAMPTON: Source for the names of their children is from the Succ. of Margaret Andrus. copy in file. Children of TOBITHA LYONS and BENJAMIN HAMPTON are: i. LAVONIA8 HAMPTON, b. 14 Sep 1898, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Big Woods Cemetery Succession of Margaret Perkins, Nee AndrusCOB. 122 p. 330); d. 20 May 1991 (Source: Big Woods Cemetery); m. CLAYDE DEWS. More About LAVONIA HAMPTON: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Calcasieu Par. LA ii. RUTH HAMPTON (Source: Succession of Margaret Perkins, nee AndrusCOB. 122, p. 300), m. DWIGHT SHOEMAKER. iii. BESSIE HAMPTON (Source: Succession of Margaret Perkins, nee AndrusCOB. 122, p. 300), m. CLIFTON DELAFOSSE. More About BESSIE HAMPTON: Cause of Death: Died in Childbirth iv. CURTIS EDWIN HAMPTON, b. 26 Feb 1897, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Cemetery record); d. 31 Oct 1951, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Big Woods Cemetery Records); m. MAZIE HALL. More About CURTIS EDWIN HAMPTON: Military Service: Pfc. Med Dept. WWI Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Calcasieu Par. LA v. ORAN P HAMPTON (Source: Succession of Margaret Perkins, nee AndrusCOB. 122, p. 300), m. MATTIE MCCLAUSLAND. 3. DAISY7 LYONS (SAMUEL R6, DAVID H5, SAMUEL4, JOHN MICHAEL3, JOHN2, SAMUEL1) was born 06 Nov 1884 in Calcasieu Parish, LA, and died 15 Jan 1932 in Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Obituary of Samuel R. Lyons..). She married JACK C. PUCKETT (Source: Tombstone of Daisy reads "Wife of J.C. Puckett".). More About DAISY LYONS: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Cal.Par. LA More About JACK C. PUCKETT: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Cal.Par. LA Children of DAISY LYONS and JACK PUCKETT are: i. BERNICE8 PUCKETT, b. 25 Apr 1907, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Big Woods Cemetery.); d. 25 Jan 1985, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Big Woods Cemetery.); m. JAMES H. WELCH. More About BERNICE PUCKETT: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Cal.Par. LA More About JAMES H. WELCH: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Cal.Par. LA ii. SAM LYONS PUCKETT, b. 31 Jul 1905 (Source: Big Woods Cemetery.); d. 05 Mar 1993, Calcasieu Parish, LA (Source: Big Woods Cemetery.); m. JIMMIE LEE __?__ PUCKETT. More About SAM LYONS PUCKETT: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Cal.Par. LA More About JIMMIE LEE __?__ PUCKETT: Place burried: Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Cal.Par. LA At 09:26 PM 7/20/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone have this couple in their files? > > >Valerie L. Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:47:23 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980721.164758.3246.17.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBERS As of Tuesday, July 21 st. We are still at 33 and growing!!!!! Keep those posts coming!!!!!!!! 1. Valerie Cundy 2. Jan Craven 3. Barbara Langham 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond 8. LV Hayes 9. Rosemary Carraway 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek 20. Joy Moore 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin 23. Sharon Shaw 24. Lesylee Gautreaux 25. Michael Bradford 26. Nelda Stebbins 27.Shirley Smith 28. Mary Antee 29. Jimmy Lawrence 30. Rand Wagner 31. Mike Baumann 32. Riecke Baumann 33. Mary D. Nicks WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we have: MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Ti m Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin Nelda Stebbins JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane Shirley Smith GABRIEL Sharon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright Mary D. Nicks Lesylee Gautreaux DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence Michael Bradford Mary Antee Jimmy Lawrence Rand Wagner Mike Baumann Riecke Baumann _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:29:52 EDT From: ChezMary@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1722d2c9.35b50851@aol.com> Subject: Re: (VALERIE L CUNDY): WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST MEMBERS Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Val, I prefer to be known as Mary Dee (that's two E's) thanks!! Also want to know if Ben Carroll is researching some La or Ala CARROLL's You folks are soooo busy ---ain't it fun ? mary dee ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:13:43 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <014b01bdb4fd$363042e0$2f9286d0@default> Subject: Re: digest mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Val, Please switch me to the digest mode for now. I went to Jasper Co. Tx for one day to look up some info and came home to 70 emails. I don't want to miss any so I just file the digest and one click takes care of lots of stuff. Found some Lyons but haven't looked at them yet. Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:09:26 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980721.205708.3246.19.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: digest mode Barbara, your now in Digest mode, remember, that it takes several posts to the list before you receive your Digest....Thanks Mary Dee for the name correction, I won't let that happen again :) Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:13:43 -0500 "Walter N. Langham, Jr." writes: >Val, >Please switch me to the digest mode for now. I went to Jasper Co. Tx >for >one day to look up some info and came home to 70 emails. I don't want >to >miss any so I just file the digest and one click takes care of lots >of >stuff. Found some Lyons but haven't looked at them yet. >Barbara > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:05:29 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980721.205708.3246.18.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: How To "Subscribe and Unsubscribe " to the John Lyons list I don't mind putting anyone into Digest that is already subscribed to the regular mail mode. However, if you choose from this point on to go back into Regular mail from Digest OR prefer to unsubscribe altogether while you are away for any length of time, I ask that you follow the instructions below: FROM REGULAR MAIL MODE TO DIGEST- Send to: JOHNLYONS-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: do not put anything in this field Message: only the word unsubscribe NEXT- Send to: JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: do not put anything in this field Message: only the word subscribe These two functions will take you off the regular mail list and add you to the Digest list. FROM REGULAR MAIL MODE COMPLETELY- Send to: JOHNLYONS-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: do not put anything in this field Message: only the word unsubscribe TO REJOIN REGULAR MAIL MODE- Send to: JOHNLYONS-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: do not put anything in this field Message: only the word subscribe FROM DIGEST MODE COMPLETELY- Send to: JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: do not put anything in this field Message: only the word unsubscribe TO REJOIN DIGEST MODE- Send to: JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: do not put anything in this field Message: only the word subscribe Not to worry, if you have problems with any of this, I will be happy to take care of any request you have in regards to subscribing and unsubscribing. Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:54:06 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980721.205708.3246.22.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Luvicy Jane and Samuel Richard Lyons I just think you put my name in those source fields to embarrass me. Well, now everyone will know how bad my memory is. But the truth of the matter is , I get most of my information from YOU! Just wanted to set that straight I had not put the following in my files when I posted the who's who's on these folks. I ran across the story about the house and forgotten who they belong to. Thanks to you Jan, I found the obit in my piles of paper, so here's the full scoop on Luvicy Jane and Samuel RIchard. * * * Obit: Sam R Lyons, Vinton, La. Aug 26- Sam R. Lyons , 82, member of one of the oldest pioneer families of Calcasieu parish, died at his home here Saturday night after a six month illness. Both his father and grandfather were residents of Calcasiue parish. His father , the late David H. Lyons was sheriff of Imperial Calcasieu for 18 years. Services will be held at the home Monday afternoon at 2:30, with the Rev. L.W. Rogers of the Baptist church and the Rev. A.D. George pf the Methodist church officiating. Burial will be in the family cemetery at Big Woods, with Burke and Trotil(?) in charge. Pallbearers wil be Arthur Simmons, D. J. Moreau, John Welsh, Foster Ford, E. J. Fairchild, J.E. Johnson, Joe Romero, and J.H. Wetheril. Former Cattleman- Mr. Lyons was Born 2 April 1852 in Edgerly and had lived in Vinton the last 43 years. He owned an extensive amount of real estate in this parish and retired from the cattle business 15 years ago. He was a member of the W.O.W. and the Baptist church and was quite active in political life, but never ran for an office. He was one of the first school board members of this ward. On Sept 29, 1870, he married Miss Tabitha E. Lyons, who died January 30, 1896. There were four children, all living except one. They are Mrs. Ona Ecker, of Vinton. Mrs. Jane Hampton of Carthage, Texas, and Dave C. Lyons of Lake Charles, and Mrs. Daisy Puckett, deceased. On July 14, 1896 he married Miss Luvicy jane Lyons, (who died in 1909), sister of his first wife. There were no children. He then married on July 8, 1910, Emma Garret, who survives. He was a brother of the late Dr. Gus Lyons fo Lake Charles and has one living sister, Mrs. Ella M Carruthers, formerly fo Lake Charles, now of Beaumont. Besides his wife and three children he is survived by 15 grandchildren and 14 great-grandchildren. * * * Don't you wish ALL obit's were like this one????? Sorry about the newspaper source, this was one of those early findings, where I didn't get the source :( * * * " OLD LYONS HOUSE" Unique, Lake Charles, Echo Vinton- Known as the "Old Lyons House" the two-story Victorian home at 1335 Horridge street was built in 1900 by Luvicy Jane and Samuel Richard Lyons. The home was the first in Calcasieu Parish to be placed on the National Register of Historic Places, in April of 1982, through the efforts of Daniel Cooper and Brady Fontenot, who purchased the property in 1980. An outstanding example of Queen Anne Style architecture, the house is widely recognized for its extensive Eastlake outer ornamentation, usually referred to as "gingerbread". Other features are the Eastlake staircase and foyer, the purple and gold stained glass squares around the door and three windows, a lady's parlor, a gentleman's parlor, three original fireplaces and an ariel bay window. Floors and solid walls throughout were built of virgin longleaf yellow pine, white cypress was used in the doors, window trim and baseboards. This was one of the first homes in Vinton to have electricity, Sam Lyons and a nieghbor bought a generator and when it began working they let the electric bulbs in their homes burn continuously for over a day so that everyone in the community could see the new electric lights. Renovations of the property have been ongoing and in 1984, the homw was opened as a Bed and Breakfast stop for tourist who have come from throughout the nation. * * * Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:11:42 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <008c01bdb50d$b2095400$b31890d1@default> Subject: F. J. Hollier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, I notice one of your sources is F. J. Hollier. What can you tell me about him? I'm heading for the library tomorrow and if there's something by him, I'd like to look it up. Thanks, Lynn ______________________________X-Message: #15 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:20:07 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980721.212200.3246.24.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick I don't have anything on this couple, except that Thomas Berwick married Eleanor Bridget Wallace and they had a daughter Eleanor Berwick that married Michael Lyons, Sr. Ruby???? Do you have anything on them? Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:28:16 -0500 "Harold L Lawrence" writes: >Carol, > I have only one Thomas Berwick and no dates. His father: Joseph >Berwick >and no dates or other info. > Thomas Berwick m. Mary A. O'Bryan > issue: > Mary Angelica Berwick > female? Berwick > >And checking the file David Lawrence so kindly sent, he has: > Thomas Berwick b. abt 1740 in Pennsylvania, d. 28 Mar. 1789 >in >Berwick, St. Mary Parish, La. m. Mary A. O'Bryon [sp. not a typo] >Issue: >Mary Angelica Berwick >2nd spouse: Eleanore Helena Birgitta Wallace b. 14 Aug 1748 in >Ireland > Issue: > Elenor > Eleanor Birgita [Birgitta?] > Joseph > Marthea > Marguerite Rebecca b. 11 May 1786 > Anne Dawsoil b. 22 Nov. 1788 >And then: > Spouseless relationship: > Rice, male, no dates. b. in Berwick, St Mary >Parish, >La. >-----Original Message----- >From: CR_AUSTIN >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:32 PM >Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick > > >>Harold: >> Which Thomas Berwick married Mary A. O'Brian? The father or the son >b. 14 >>Jan 1797? >> Thanks for the additional information on the Berwick/Merrimans. My >>information all came from Fr. Hebert's SW LA, I think. Since I live >in >>California, my opportunities to research in Louisiana are nil. All >you >>Louisiana people are SO lucky. Great food and genealogy too. >>Carol Austin >> > > ______________________________X-Message: #16 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:41:34 -0500 From: "David Swanson" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807220152.UAA09882@endeavor.flash.net> Subject: Re: digest mode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara, you're listed under John Jr. - Where does your line go from there? Oscar S. by chance? Rosemary Lyons Carraway swanson@flash.net **************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 54 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Luvicy Jane and Samuel Richard [Jan Craven ] #2 Re: William Prather and Martha Ber [Jan Craven ] #3 Richard & Sally, page 2 ["Ruby Dusek" ] #4 ROBERT B. MABRY [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #5 Re: William Prather and Martha Ber [Sharon ] #6 Sally Lyons home and burial ["Ruby Dusek" ] #7 Re: ROBERT B. MABRY [Jan Craven ] #8 Parish maps ["Ruby Dusek" ] #9 Re: ROBERT B. MABRY [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #10 Re: ROBERT B. MABRY [ChezMary@aol.com] #11 LYONS / WEST LAND-Choupique, La (S [ChezMary@aol.com] #12 Re: ROBERT B. MABRY [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #13 Valerie [ChezMary@aol.com] #14 Re: William Prather and Martha Ber ["CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980721210324.008d4bf0@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Luvicy Jane and Samuel Richard Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Valerie, et al. I just cut and pasted that wonderful obit into the notes for Sam R. This is just great!!! Have you gone and looked at the LYONS obits? Margaret Moore has made one file for the Lyons obits that we are sending her for Calcasieu and Vermilion prs. (most of the obits just get put in one file and you have to search for them. Ain't we SPECIAL folks!! JC At 08:54 PM 7/21/1998 -0400, you wrote: >I just think you put my name in those source fields to embarrass me. >Well, now everyone will know how bad my memory is. But the truth of the >matter is , I get most of my information from YOU! Just wanted to set >that straight I had not put the following in my files when I >posted the who's who's on these folks. I ran across the story about the >house and forgotten who they belong to. Thanks to you Jan, I found the >obit in my piles of paper, so here's the full scoop on Luvicy Jane and >Samuel RIchard. > > > * * * >Obit: Sam R Lyons, Vinton, La. Aug 26- Sam R. Lyons , 82, member of one >of the oldest pioneer families of Calcasieu parish, died at his home here >Saturday night after a six month illness. Both his father and grandfather >were residents of Calcasiue parish. His father , the late David H. Lyons >was sheriff of Imperial Calcasieu for 18 years. Services will be held at >the home Monday afternoon at 2:30, with the Rev. L.W. Rogers of the >Baptist church and the Rev. A.D. George pf the Methodist church >officiating. Burial will be in the family cemetery at Big Woods, with >Burke and Trotil(?) in charge. Pallbearers wil be Arthur Simmons, D. J. >Moreau, John Welsh, Foster Ford, E. J. Fairchild, J.E. Johnson, Joe >Romero, and J.H. Wetheril. Former Cattleman- Mr. Lyons was Born 2 April >1852 in Edgerly and had lived in Vinton the last 43 years. He owned an >extensive amount of real estate in this parish and retired from the >cattle business 15 years ago. He was a member of the W.O.W. and the >Baptist church and was quite active in political life, but never ran for >an office. He was one of the first school board members of this ward. On >Sept 29, 1870, he married Miss Tabitha E. Lyons, who died January 30, >1896. There were four children, all living except one. They are Mrs. Ona >Ecker, of Vinton. Mrs. Jane Hampton of Carthage, Texas, and Dave C. >Lyons of Lake Charles, and Mrs. Daisy Puckett, deceased. On July 14, >1896 he married Miss Luvicy jane Lyons, (who died in 1909), sister of his >first wife. There were no children. He then married on July 8, 1910, >Emma Garret, who survives. He was a brother of the late Dr. Gus Lyons fo >Lake Charles and has one living sister, Mrs. Ella M Carruthers, formerly >fo Lake Charles, now of Beaumont. Besides his wife and three children he >is survived by 15 grandchildren and 14 great-grandchildren. > > * * * > >Don't you wish ALL obit's were like this one????? Sorry about the >newspaper source, this was one of those early findings, where I didn't >get the source :( > > * * * > >" OLD LYONS HOUSE" Unique, Lake Charles, Echo > >Vinton- Known as the "Old Lyons House" the two-story Victorian home at >1335 Horridge street was built in 1900 by Luvicy Jane and Samuel Richard >Lyons. The home was the first in Calcasieu Parish to be placed on the >National Register of Historic Places, in April of 1982, through the >efforts of Daniel Cooper and Brady Fontenot, who purchased the property >in 1980. An outstanding example of Queen Anne Style architecture, the >house is widely recognized for its extensive Eastlake outer >ornamentation, usually referred to as "gingerbread". Other features are >the Eastlake staircase and foyer, the purple and gold stained glass >squares around the door and three windows, a lady's parlor, a gentleman's >parlor, three original fireplaces and an ariel bay window. Floors and >solid walls throughout were built of virgin longleaf yellow pine, white >cypress was used in the doors, window trim and baseboards. This was one >of the first homes in Vinton to have electricity, Sam Lyons and a >nieghbor bought a generator and when it began working they let the >electric bulbs in their homes burn continuously for over a day so that >everyone in the community could see the new electric lights. Renovations >of the property have been ongoing and in 1984, the homw was opened as a >Bed and Breakfast stop for tourist who have come from throughout the >nation. > > * * * >Valerie L. Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:33:45 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980721213345.008d7810@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MAN!! I am fixin to hire a professional genealogist to keep up with and interpret all this stuff that I am getting on this list that Valerie and I , just a few short months ago wondered if there would be enough interest to be worth it to start. OK. David, you have TWO Eleanors in the list. What were they doing? Trying to keep up with the LYONS?? I also have a Thomas Berwick II in my files w/ no pa attached. He m. Rachel Comstock and had daughter, Marie Zelphia who m. Jacob Hayes. Mary was b. 1802 and IF Thomas II was Thomas son Mary would be his granddau. How do all these Berwicks tie to old Agnes who m. John Sr?????? Ya really do need a score card! How DID we do this before computers??? Going to bed! Jan At 09:20 PM 7/21/1998 -0400, you wrote: >I don't have anything on this couple, except that Thomas Berwick married >Eleanor Bridget Wallace and they had a daughter Eleanor Berwick that >married Michael Lyons, Sr. Ruby???? Do you have anything on them? > >Valerie L. Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > >On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:28:16 -0500 "Harold L Lawrence" > writes: >>Carol, >> I have only one Thomas Berwick and no dates. His father: Joseph >>Berwick >>and no dates or other info. >> Thomas Berwick m. Mary A. O'Bryan >> issue: >> Mary Angelica Berwick >> female? Berwick >> >>And checking the file David Lawrence so kindly sent, he has: >> Thomas Berwick b. abt 1740 in Pennsylvania, d. 28 Mar. 1789 >>in >>Berwick, St. Mary Parish, La. m. Mary A. O'Bryon [sp. not a typo] >>Issue: >>Mary Angelica Berwick >>2nd spouse: Eleanore Helena Birgitta Wallace b. 14 Aug 1748 in >>Ireland >> Issue: >> Elenor >> Eleanor Birgita [Birgitta?] >> Joseph >> Marthea >> Marguerite Rebecca b. 11 May 1786 >> Anne Dawsoil b. 22 Nov. 1788 >>And then: >> Spouseless relationship: >> Rice, male, no dates. b. in Berwick, St Mary >>Parish, >>La. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: CR_AUSTIN >>To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >>Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:32 PM >>Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick >> >> >>>Harold: >>> Which Thomas Berwick married Mary A. O'Brian? The father or the son >>b. 14 >>>Jan 1797? >>> Thanks for the additional information on the Berwick/Merrimans. My >>>information all came from Fr. Hebert's SW LA, I think. Since I live >>in >>>California, my opportunities to research in Louisiana are nil. All >>you >>>Louisiana people are SO lucky. Great food and genealogy too. >>>Carol Austin >>> >> >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:59:14 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002501bdb51c$b72af740$8b1b90d1@rdusek> Subject: Richard & Sally, page 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Val, I can't think of anything right now because I wanted to finish this. I will try to look tomorrow. I will be at Clayton and look around. ruby Richard West and Sally Lyons -page 2 1810-Census for Louisiana does not show where Nancy Faulk West is living. Her father, Luke, is not listed. Her sister Marie as far as I can tell is still a widow. Her two brothers George and John are in Attakapas "County". It is not known if she is with either of them with her 4 children, but it does not look like it. 1811- August 20, Edward Forman claims two tracts of land on the south side of Bayou Queue de Tortue in present day Vermilion Parish. 1813-November 23, Nancy Falk, the Widow West, marries William Perry, who was "of this parish, native of Manchac Parish." He also had been married and had a family. They were married in the church in St Martinsville, Volume 5, #316. This record in Southwest Louisiana Records - 1811-1818, Volume 2-A, states that she was a widow of her second marriage to Thomas West. This was the first and only time mention was made of her having been married previous to Thomas. 1819- March 27: Richard West lived with his mother and her new husband William Perry in the part of present day Acadia Parish known as Perry's Point. William Perry's land was across the Bayou Queue de Tortue from that of Edward Forman. On this date Richard married Anna Forman, daughter of Edward and Anna Perry Forman. [Anna born ca 1800, died ca 1824] Southwest Louisiana Records, Vol 2B, Opelousas Ct.Hse: Mar.#51. Anna Perry Forman was the sister of William Perry who married Nancy Faulk West. Edward Forman's parents were Edward and Rebecca Ravenoe[?] Anna's parents were John and Penelope Perry. 1820-St Landry Parish Census, page 117, shows the household of Richard West with 2 males age 16-26 (probably one of his brothers living with them), a female between 16 and 26 - Anna was under 21 in 1819 so she is somewhere between 16 and 21 now. There is also a girl child. This would be their daughter Ezemily. There is one person listed as a free colored person living with them. When Edward Forman married Anna Perry on Tuesday, May 8, 1798, they were both Presbyterians from Virginia. Southwest Louisiana Records, Vol 1-A, Opelousas Church, Volume 1-B, Protestant Marriages: 1787-1830, p.2. Next door is William and Nancy Perry, five Forman families and then John Lyons, Sr, Gabriel Lyons and then John Lyons Jr. 1824- June 22 is the day Richard West married Sally Lyons. Their license was taken out in the Parish of Lafayette. Since Sally was only 16, her father Michael Lyons signed "X". Witnesses were Sally's brother-in-law William Prater, her brother Abel Lyons, and most interesting is Isaac Forman, brother of Anna, Richard's first wife. There is no record of Anna's death, but she must be dead now or Isaac would not have been there. The next entry is the Inventory of goods after the death of Anna, but it was done long after the marriage of Richard and Sally. 1825- October 8 is the date the Inventory was taken of the goods brought to the marriage by Anna Forman. Usually the inventory was done very quickly after death even though the rest of the succession could be later as this one was. 1826- April 22 is the date of the final sale of the goods Anna Forman brought to the marriage with Richard West. Richard, who was known in later life as a cattleman, bought from the estate of Anna 17 head of gentle cattle and 9 head of stock cattle. The estate needed to be settled because Anna had inherited from both her mother and father and had a child of her own. Also, Richard was getting married. ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 23:10:32 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980721.231033.3246.27.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: ROBERT B. MABRY I am looking for any information on the man who married my gggggrandmother EMILY A LYONS, daughter of ABEL LYONS and MARY A BRYAN. The name is ROBERT B. MABRY, he is listed as age 56, making him born Abt. 1824, he was known to have married EMILY A LYONS (based on succession records of Abel Lyons) and her maiden name at death is MABRY, other than that, I have nothing! She is a widow in 1920 census, he is shown in the 1880 Calcasieu Parish Census, pg. 152, 143-148 with the family of Malachi M. Lyons . If anyone is going to a library soon, I would appreciate a quick look for him. Thanks a million. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:47:49 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B57D05.672D@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am a bit under the weather, but saw your communiques and thought I would give you some data from the book "Seven Pines" by Camilla Davis Trammell, 1986, SMU Press, SMU Box 415, Dallas, TX 75275. Wonderful book! The Berwick/O'Brien Family Chart, pgs. 18-19: Thomas Berwick (1740-1789) - Eleanor Wallace (1748-1815) Children: 1) Thomas m. Rachel Comstock, Thomas & Rachel had: a) Nathaniel m. (?); Nathaniel & (?) had: a) Florine m. R. C. White; 2) Rebecca M. m. Luke O'Brien, Rebecca & Luke had: a) John m. (?); Children: 1. Pryor; 2. Mary Jane m. B.F. Sterling; b) Bryan m. (?); c) Luke m. Sarah Whitlock; d) Joseph; e) Pryor (1810-1873) m. Angelica Merriman; Children: 1. Laura; 2. Margaret; 3. Joseph; 4. Kindallis "Dal"; f) Christopher III (1815-1860) m. Elizabeth Whitlock g) Kindallas "King" m. Amanda Wynn h) Tom [Note: Luke, Pryor and King fought at San Jacinto with Sam Houston, State of TX marked their graves in Liberty, TX. Mary Jane & B.F. Sterling had Ross Shaw Sterling, Gov. of Texas, also through this line a female marries a Vanderbilt and J.P. Morgan.] 3) Joseph m. Nancy O'Brien; 4) Ann Dawson m. Christopher "Christy" O'Brien; Ann & Christy had: a) Catherine m. 1st Henry Wise Farley; Children: 1. Henry; 2. Brien; 3. Swazey; 4. Benj. Franklin "Frank" [None of whom mar.; all died young]; m. 2nd H. Bagarley [no children]; b) Andrew m. 1st Martha Collins; Children: 1. Cambria; 2. Delia; 3. Farley; m. 2nd Jane Percy; Children: 4. Borue; 5. Percy; 5) Cynthia m. B. F. Hardin; Cynthia & Frank had: a) Kaleta [she didn't mar.]; b) Camilla; c) W.F. "Bee"; d) Christy; e) Cynthia; f) Helen; 6) Charles m. Felide Salles; Charles & Felide had: a) Hortense; b) Rowena; c) Florilla 7) America m. Alfred Stevens; 8) Serena (twin) m. ___________ Johnson; 9) Elvira (twin) m. ___________ McMahan; 10) Virginia m. Wm. Collins; Virginia & William had: a) Owen; b) Nellie; c) Virginius; d) Kalita; 11) Gertrude (1830-1840) [did not mar.] 12) Camilla (1827-1842) [did not mar.] The book is filled with family letters from Ann D. Berwick, her children and others; family photos of paintings of Christy & Ann Dawson Berwick, and other family members; some family history. I have a lot of O'Brien stuff, which I will post to the TX Archives as I can. Of course, I am happy to share what I have with you. I hope this helps some. Sharon Shaw Christopher O'Brien (1745-1811) m. Katherine Kimberland, bur. in Lexington, KY Children: 1) Harold L Lawrence wrote: > > Carol, > I have only one Thomas Berwick and no dates. His father: Joseph Berwick > and no dates or other info. > Thomas Berwick m. Mary A. O'Bryan > issue: > Mary Angelica Berwick > female? Berwick > > And checking the file David Lawrence so kindly sent, he has: > Thomas Berwick b. abt 1740 in Pennsylvania, d. 28 Mar. 1789 in > Berwick, St. Mary Parish, La. m. Mary A. O'Bryon [sp. not a typo] Issue: > Mary Angelica Berwick > 2nd spouse: Eleanore Helena Birgitta Wallace b. 14 Aug 1748 in Ireland > Issue: > Elenor > Eleanor Birgita [Birgitta?] > Joseph > Marthea > Marguerite Rebecca b. 11 May 1786 > Anne Dawsoil b. 22 Nov. 1788 > And then: > Spouseless relationship: > Rice, male, no dates. b. in Berwick, St Mary Parish, > La. > -----Original Message----- > From: CR_AUSTIN > To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick > > >Harold: > > Which Thomas Berwick married Mary A. O'Brian? The father or the son b. 14 > >Jan 1797? > > Thanks for the additional information on the Berwick/Merrimans. My > >information all came from Fr. Hebert's SW LA, I think. Since I live in > >California, my opportunities to research in Louisiana are nil. All you > >Louisiana people are SO lucky. Great food and genealogy too. > >Carol Austin > > ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 06:46:41 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001a01bdb566$65612980$d91890d1@rdusek> Subject: Sally Lyons home and burial Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jan or anyone who may know: I have always wondered where Richard West and Sally Lyons were living when she died. I feel it was probably near Big Woods Cemetery from several sources-but maybe not: 1. In an article in History of Hardin County by AJ Guidry [he is connected to Richard West's last wife Mary Guidry] he stated "Sarah 'Sally' [Lyons] West died at their home approximately sixteen miles west of Lake Charles, Louisiana, 26 June 1845." In a letter he stated he did not know where she was buried. 2. In the obit of Richard Lyons West in Refugio it stated "R.L. West, the sixth son and one of 13 children of Richard and Sarah West first saw the light of day on October 26, 1832, in Cheupique Parish, Louisiana." WOW--While I was trying to find the above obit I found the next item that I had looked for all yesterday: 3. In Yellowed Pages, not Kinfolks as I had thought, Volume VII, #1, February, 1977, there was a 2-page exerpt from a short autobiography of Edwin Prater, I think the son of William Prater, stated that when he was about 9 "my father moved off about a hundred miles in the same Parish of St Landry on the Shupique bayou, which is not Parish of Calcasieu, where he remained till his death." Later in the article he said, "I ..taught a four months school on Pine Island in Jefferson County, Texas in the year 1849." Pine Island is where Richard West moved when he left Louisiana. This will bear a little more looking into to connect with William. It is an assumption I made and you know what assumptions do. I will look at Clayton today. Looking at a Parish map Bayou Choupique is approximately 16 miles west of Lake Charles. It is found running north and south from about halfway between Edgerly and Sulphur, and on its southern end it runs into Calcasieu Ship Channel [which probably was Calcasieu River] just north of Calcasieu Lake. There is a settlement known as Choupique. Since the courthouse burned I have not found any land records and don't know if you or anyone has any information on the location of the home of Sally Lyons at the time of her death. ruby ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:13:09 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980722071309.008bf100@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: ROBERT B. MABRY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Val, have you looked in the obit file here at the Calc. pr lib? I have to make a quick run up there and if you haven't checked it, I will. Jan At 11:10 PM 7/21/1998 -0400, you wrote: >I am looking for any information on the man who married my >gggggrandmother EMILY A LYONS, daughter of ABEL LYONS and MARY A BRYAN. > >The name is ROBERT B. MABRY, he is listed as age 56, making him born Abt. >1824, he was known to have married EMILY A LYONS (based on succession >records of Abel Lyons) and her maiden name at death is MABRY, other than >that, I have nothing! She is a widow in 1920 census, he is shown in the >1880 Calcasieu Parish Census, pg. 152, 143-148 with the family of >Malachi M. Lyons . > >If anyone is going to a library soon, I would appreciate a quick look for >him. Thanks a million. > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:26:46 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001e01bdb56c$14b8e940$d91890d1@rdusek> Subject: Parish maps Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I keep this up, we will probably have several more people wanting to change from List mode to Digest Mode. This may be preaching to the choir: I don't know how many of you are using parish and county maps. These are fabulous for the information they have. In the Acadia Parish history there is a map of John Lyons and Michael Lyons land, showing their land was Sections 36 and 36. On the parish maps of Vermilion will be found Section 36 and on the Acadia parish map will be found Section 37. Modern deed records refer to Irregular section xx and you can find this on the map. It is just full of numbers. When Louisiana became a state it allowed all those who had received French and Spanish land grants to register them with the government so it would be known what was not taken. A claimant had to prove his ownership. These claims are found in American State Papers, Public Lands. Once all these claims were made, then the rest of the land could be sold. All of these claim numbers are found on the current parish map. I e-mailed LA DOT this week to find out if the price had changed from many years ago but it is still $1.04 per parish. I was called back twice to give me the information - and they say the state has money problems! Parish maps may be purchased from Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development General Files Unit P.O. Box 94245 Baton Rouge, LA 70804-9245 The $1.04 includes postage. It is an 18x24 size map. If the parish is large, as is Vermilion there are two sheets, but still only $1.04. Good Value! I use these from all over the country and they are fabulous. If a town is no longer there, it usually shows "xxx community." [That's how I found Griffin land in Sumter County Alabama that was sold in 1855!] All the small road not on the state map are shown, and it also shows all known cemeteries and churches in the area. I have a small book by Desmond Walls Allen "Where to write for County Maps" if anyone is interested in other places. Of course for Houstonites, all Texas all counties can be bought here in Houston on Old Katy Road. Might as well make this a little longer while I am writing. There is a great book by Glen Conrad at Center for Louisiana Studies at USL in Lafayette, called Land Records of the Attakapas District. Actually it is a 3-volume set but Volume I: The Attakapas Domesday Book has all these little numbers found on the parish maps for the sections in the Attakapas Area. One of the sources of information is from American State Papers. Unfortunately, the Lyons land was in the Opelousas Post, not Attakapas. I have all three volumes and will be happy to look others up. William Prather is listed as well as Thomas Berwick to name a couple from some recent postings to the List. ruby ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 09:43:53 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980722.095151.3246.29.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: ROBERT B. MABRY I didn't have this information when I was there a couple of years ago, so it's worth a look now. THANKS! Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 07:13:09 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >Val, have you looked in the obit file here at the Calc. pr lib? >I have to make a quick run up there and if you haven't checked it, I >will. >Jan _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:03:26 EDT From: ChezMary@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: ROBERT B. MABRY Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Valerie and Jan too, Isn't Malachi, Elton's Grandfather ? Perhaps he can shed some light here! ??!!! He is living and breathing in Vinton. mary dee ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:38:50 EDT From: ChezMary@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: LYONS / WEST LAND-Choupique, La (Sulphur or Carlyss) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I remember my father telling me that the LYONS owned MUCH of that Choupique area land (still own some) even across the Intracoastal Canal!!!! Some was snapped up by the Gray Estate and also by R. Moore. Both still own what they acquired. Some of that West property is most like included in those tracts. It goes to the deep blue sea!! Well, it ain't blue on our coast but....... In your searches those other names may help you 'find' what you are looking for--good luck!! ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:51:34 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980722.105136.3246.35.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: ROBERT B. MABRY Yes Mary Dee, this is Elton's great grandfather. Ooooooo, do you mind asking him?????? It's worth a try? Anything he might know about Emily or Mabry or EVEN a man by the name of James Gray? Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:03:26 EDT ChezMary@aol.com writes: >Valerie and Jan too, > >Isn't Malachi, Elton's Grandfather ? Perhaps he can shed some light >here! >??!!! He is living and breathing in Vinton. > >mary dee > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 10:58:59 EDT From: ChezMary@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <859273c7.35b5fe35@aol.com> Subject: Valerie Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit gonna call right now--he works shift work so possibly is asleep. I will find out somehow!!! Ain't this fun ? ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:41:04 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199807222032.QAA31868@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. Now I'm really confused about the Berwick family. I had some errors in my original list, and I think I've gotten them straightened out; Thomas Berwick the eldest only had one wife, Eleanor; it was the son Thomas who married Rachel Comstock. The Thomas b. 1794 was their son. But the list from Seven Pines is very confusing. It looks like Thomas and Eleanor had 12 children the way I'm reading it, but surely Gertrude and Camilla couldn't be children of Thomas and Eleanor. Where am I going wrong? And I don't see my ancestor Agnes/Martha in the list. Carol Austin ***************************************************************************** JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 55 Today's Topics: #1 re: re: Richard & Sally, page 2 ["Ruby Dusek" ] #2 Re: William Prather and Martha Ber [Sharon ] #3 Re: David Merriman Lyons ["Harold L Lawrence" ] #5 Date Calculation ["Lyons, Tim" ] #7 Clayton Library and its Friends ["Ruby Dusek" ] #8 Date Calculations ["Lyons, Tim" ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:39:03 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <007701bdb5e3$1f735e20$3c1b90d1@rdusek> Subject: re: re: Richard & Sally, page 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valerie wrote: Ruby, in your notes below regarding the 22 Apr 1826 final sale of goods for Anna Forman, and mention how the estate needed to be settled because Richard is getting married, was there a marriage for him between Anna and Sarah/Sally? The marriage date of he and Sarah is 22 Jun 1824, abt 2yrs before the estate settlement of Anna. What are your thoughts on this? Valerie, my thoughts on this are I should remember I am a morning person and not send anything written at night. My son used to kid that after 10:30 in the morning for me it was downhill the rest of the day! Right now it is 9:35 and I will listen to my advice and send the correction in the morning. I was at Clayton all day and thought there would be all sorts of messages when I returned. What a surprise, there was only one! ruby ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:40:37 -0700 From: Sharon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35B6A2A5.3DA5@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Carol, You have every right to be confused, because I drove you to confusion! Let's try it again, only this time without the codine. Thomas Berwick and Eleanor Wallce have listed on this chart, four children: 1) Thomas m. Rachel Comstock 2) Rebecca M. m. Luke O'Brien 3) Joseph m. Nancy O'Brien 4) Ann Dawson m. Christie O'Brien Of Thomas and Eleanor's children, 1) Thomas, Jr. & Rachel had one son, Nathaniel, who had a dau., Florine m. R. C. White. 2) Rebecca M. & Luke O'Brien had 8 children: John, Bryan, Luke, Joseph, Pryor, Christopher III, Kindallis "King", Tom. 3) Joseph & Nancy O'Brien (no children were listed for them) 4) Ann Dawson Berwick & Christie O'Brien had 10 children: Catherine, Andrew, Cynthia, Charles, America, Serena, Elvira, Virginia, Gertrude, Camilla. Since the book's focus was on the letters and photos of the Berwicks/O'Briens/Hardins of LA and TX, it could be the author had no photos or letters, and therefore did not research, your dear ancestor. I know, incomplete info. is not as helpful. Okay, sorry for the confusion, I'm going back to bed. Sharon Shaw CR_AUSTIN wrote: > > Hi all. Now I'm really confused about the Berwick family. I had some errors > in my original list, and I think I've gotten them straightened out; Thomas > Berwick the eldest only had one wife, Eleanor; it was the son Thomas who > married Rachel Comstock. The Thomas b. 1794 was their son. > > But the list from Seven Pines is very confusing. It looks like Thomas and > Eleanor had 12 children the way I'm reading it, but surely Gertrude and > Camilla couldn't be children of Thomas and Eleanor. Where am I going wrong? > And I don't see my ancestor Agnes/Martha in the list. > Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:04:04 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00a701bdb5e6$8db81940$674b84d0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any math majors out there who want to compute the birthdate???? Seems so easy, huh??? A challenge!!! harold -----Original Message----- From: Lynn & Bill King To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 9:36 AM Subject: David Merriman Lyons >I'm the one who sent in the obit from the Abbeville Meridional on David >Lyons which stated that he died October 15, 1891 at age 65 years, 4 months >and 23 days. >Like David, I've had trouble with his birthdate. But now that we have his >exact age at death, other than counting backwards, isn't there a formula for >figuring birthdate?? > >I've found other ancestors whose exact death date has been given and it's >been difficult to determine birthdate. > >Have been wanting to respond for several days now, but have two >granddaughters here for the past two days and have been "otherwise occupied" > >Lynn Bagley King > ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 06:22:37 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000601bdb62c$45bbe540$e1e690d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My calculation is 22 May 1826. Wasn't this done a few days ago? ruby -----Original Message----- From: Harold L Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 1998 10:23 PM Subject: Re: David Merriman Lyons >Are there any math majors out there who want to compute the birthdate???? >Seems so easy, huh??? >A challenge!!! >harold > >-----Original Message----- >From: Lynn & Bill King >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Sunday, July 19, 1998 9:36 AM >Subject: David Merriman Lyons > > >>I'm the one who sent in the obit from the Abbeville Meridional on David >>Lyons which stated that he died October 15, 1891 at age 65 years, 4 months >>and 23 days. >>Like David, I've had trouble with his birthdate. But now that we have his >>exact age at death, other than counting backwards, isn't there a formula >for >>figuring birthdate?? >> >>I've found other ancestors whose exact death date has been given and it's >>been difficult to determine birthdate. >> >>Have been wanting to respond for several days now, but have two >>granddaughters here for the past two days and have been "otherwise >occupied" >> >>Lynn Bagley King >> > ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:19:31 -0500 From: "Lyons, Tim" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7A8090CE5980D011BE3E0000F84A162D01EC9306@MSFCMSG3.MSFC.NASA.GOV> Subject: Date Calculation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There are some simple formulas to calculate days between dates but these will only get you close. With a little time and effort a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet can be setup to calculate dates accurately. This cannot be done directly with Excel because the program serializes dates and will not go back before 1900 or 1904 depending on which version of Excel you have. A spreadsheet would have to be setup to calculate dates as pure numbers. I have done this before but it was years ago and I do not have that file any more. I'm sure there are members out there that are better at Excel programming than me and if they want to make an attempt at this I will be glad to help them. If nobody steps forward I will make another attempt at this in my spare time. Tim Lyons ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 08:54:26 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000e01bdb641$7abbcf20$e1e690d1@rdusek> Subject: Correction, p 2 Richard and Sally Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Delete other file, Richard and Sally, p 2. This is as complete as I can make it. 1820: Note correction in Census for 1820. It makes more sense. The copy I had of the microfilm was very bad. Corrections were made from the printed copy. 1824: When doing data entry the record of the Family Meeting after the death of Anna West and before the marriage of Richard and Sally was on the bottom of the pile and was forgotten. Corrections start with 1824 and on. Nothing else has been change. Sorry for the goof. ruby Richard West and Sally Lyons 1810-Census for Louisiana does not show where Nancy Faulk West is living. Her father, Luke, is not listed. Her sister Marie as far as I can tell is still a widow. Her two brothers George and John are in Attakapas "County". It is not known if she is with either of them with her 4 children, but it does not look like it. 1811- August 20, Edward Forman claims two tracts of land on the south side of Bayou Queue de Tortue in present day Vermilion Parish. 1813-23 November, Nancy Falk, the Widow West, marries William Perry, who was "of this parish, native of Manchac Parish." He also had been married and had a family. They were married in the church in St Martinsville, Volume 5, #316. This record in Southwest Louisiana Records - 1811-1818, Volume 2-A, states that she was a widow of her second marriage to Thomas West. This was the first and only time mention was made of her having been married previous to Thomas. 1819 March 27: Richard West lived with his mother and her new husband William Perry in the part of present day Acadia Parish known as Perry's Point. William Perry's land was across the Bayou Queue de Tortue from that of Edward Forman. On this date Richard married Anna Forman, daughter of Edward and Anna Perry Forman. [Anna born ca 1800, died ca 1824] Southwest Louisiana Records, Vol 2B, Opelousas Ct.Hse: Mar.#51. Anna Perry Forman was the sister of William Perry who married Nancy Faulk West. Edward Forman's parents were Edward and Rebecca Ravenoe[?] Anna's parents were John and Penelope Perry. 1820-St Landry Parish Census, page 117, shows the household of Richard West with 2 males age 16-26 (probably one of his brothers -Thomas? - living with them), a female between 16 and 26 - Anna was under 21 in 1819 so she is somewhere between 16 and 21 now. Two are engaged in Agriculture. There is also a girl child. This would be their daughter Ezemily. There is one woman slave living with them. When Edward Forman married Anna Perry on Tuesday, May 8, 1798, they were both Presbyterians from Virginia. Southwest Louisiana Records, Vol 1-A, Opelousas Church, Volume 1-B, Protestant Marriages: 1787-1830, p.2. Next door is William and Nancy Perry, five Forman families and then John Lyons, Sr, Gabriel Lyons and then John Lyons Jr. 1824 - June 14 is the day that a family meeting was convened in the Parish of Lafayette. Anna Forman West is now dead, date unknown, and a meeting was called to determine what was in the best interests of "Zembla" West, daughter of Richard and Anna Perry West. Anna's parents were both dead by now. At the meeting were Nathan and Isaac Forman, Thomas "Hoofbour" and Benjamin Faulk [Anna's sisters husbands], Thomas West and Francois "Hoofbour", the last a friend as there were not enough relatives present. It was determined the property could not be kept unsold without great "risque" and almost certain loss to the minor. Due to the hardness of the times and the scarcity of money, a sale upon short credits would lead to a serious sacrifice of the interests of the minor. The property was to be sold at public auction payable with one third being paid at one year, two years and three years from day of purchase providing security had been given. [The copy does not have a reference number on it and a visit to Lafayette is in order.] As her father, Richard is Natural Tutor of Ezemily, and Asa Forman is Under Tutor-his job was to see that the Tutor (guardian) did his job. Children were well protected in their inheritance-and still are. 1824- June 22 is the day Richard West married Sally Lyons. This was only a week after the family meeting to secure the inheritance of Ezemily West from her mother. Sally lived down Bayou Queue de Tortue from where Richard lived. Their license was taken out in the Parish of Lafayette. Since Sally was only 16, her father Michael Lyons signed "X". Richard is now 23, a widower with a young child. Witnesses were Sally's brother-in-law William Prater, her brother Abel Lyons, and Isaac Forman, brother of Anna, Richard's first wife. 1825- May 9, Richard and Sally Lyons West's first child Abel is born. 1825- October 8 is the date the Inventory was taken of the goods brought to the marriage by Anna Forman showed a value of $1,687. Usually the inventory was done very quickly after death even though the rest of the succession could be later as this one was. This is Probate # 395, St Landry Parish. 1826- April 22 is the date of the final sale of the goods Anna Forman brought to the marriage with Richard West. Richard, who was known in later life as a stockman, bought from the estate of Anna 17 head of gentle cattle and 9 head of stock cattle. Anything not paid according to the schedule set out in the family meeting in 1824 was subject to 10% interest. The sale brought in $1,324.62 1/2. ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:44:08 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000301bdb648$5a47d700$88e390d1@rdusek> Subject: Clayton Library and its Friends Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yesterday I met Bill and Lynn King at Clayton. As a person having been doing genealogy for only a couple of years, Lynn was surprised to find corrections and additions in SW La Records. [Surprise!] I told her about an article in the CLF Newsletter that was written 90% by Rosemary Fritz with only a little help from me on the revised volumes 1 and 2 which were just coming out. Rosemary did her usual thorough job and even though I had used these books for more than 20 years, I learned so much. Lynn wanted the Web Page for the friends and I thought I would send it to the general group since there might be much of interest to some even if they are not near Houston. The Clayton Library Friends Web Page can be accessed at: http://sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us/hpl/clf.html Click on this and go to CLF Newsletters and then to "Southwest Louisiana Records." The Houston Public Library Catalog, of which Clayton is a research branch, can be accessed at: http://hpl.lib.tx.us Under "Search Items" type 'genealogy' Under "search type" click on Keyword arrow and highlight either "subject headings" or whatever strikes your fancy. I usually get into the Library Catalog directly from my desk top so I hope this works. I think that is what I did to access it. ruby ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:20:08 -0500 From: "Lyons, Tim" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7A8090CE5980D011BE3E0000F84A162D01EC9307@MSFCMSG3.MSFC.NASA.GOV> Subject: Date Calculations Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have created a new "date calculator" using Microsoft Excel (from Office 95). I will be glad to share it with anyone that wants it. It is a 33K file that will have to be emailed as an attachment. It should account for Leap years as well. It does need to be checked over for errors by someone with some smarts. Also you will need Microsoft Excel to use it. Tim Lyons ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:08:03 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980723150803.008f1b20@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Amanda Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi folks, There is an Amanda Lyons in Big Woods Cem. b. 4 Nov 1845 d. 31 Dec 1909 w/o J J Hewitt. Is this the same Amanda who was the d/o Abel and Mary Ann Bryan? Does anyone have kids for her? I am trying to id ALL of the LYONS in the Big Woods. So get ready for more questions! ;o]. Jan ************************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 56 Today's Topics: #1 M M "Mack Lyons [Jan Craven ] #2 Re: M M "Mack Lyons [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #3 Re: Amanda Lyons [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #4 Re: Amanda Lyons [Jan Craven ] #5 Re: F. J. Hollier [David Lawrence ] #6 Re: F. J. Hollier ["Ruby Dusek" ] #7 Re: William Prather and Martha Ber [David Lawrence ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:14:48 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980723171448.0085c770@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: M M "Mack Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Me again! M M "Mack Lyons b. 12 Oct 1903 d. 1 Aug 1982 h/o Amelia Lyons. Amelia is also bur. there (Big Woods) too b. 30 Jan 1906 d. 9 Dec 1984. Need information on both of these fine folks. Jan ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:35:34 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980723.204055.3246.44.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: M M "Mack Lyons Can't help you there. Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:14:48 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >Me again! >M M "Mack Lyons b. 12 Oct 1903 d. 1 Aug 1982 h/o Amelia Lyons. >Amelia is also bur. there (Big Woods) too b. 30 Jan 1906 d. 9 Dec >1984. >Need information on both of these fine folks. >Jan > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:31:27 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980723.204055.3246.43.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Amanda Lyons That's what I have, no kids attached to her though......Is Jonathan J. Hewitt. b. 4- Dec 1852 d. 18 Apr 1920 her husband that is buried right next to her? Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:08:03 -0600 Jan Craven writes: >Hi folks, >There is an Amanda Lyons in Big Woods Cem. b. 4 Nov 1845 d. 31 Dec >1909 >w/o J J Hewitt. I this the same Amanda who was the d/o Abel and >Mary Ann Bryan? Does anyone have kids for her? > >I am trying to id ALL of the LYONS in the Big Woods. So get ready for >more questions! ;o]. Jan > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:12:25 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980723201225.007b0970@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: Amanda Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, she is bur next to Jonathon J. Hewitt. John J. is on the other side of Jonathon At 08:31 PM 7/23/1998 -0400, you wrote: >That's what I have, no kids attached to her though......Is Jonathan J. and A. J. is on the other side of her. John was b. 1878 and A J was b. 1872. I would assume that they were sons. Guess I'll have to go look up the obits. Prob isnt one for A J, he d. 1878, but John should have one. He d. 1938. JC >Hewitt. b. 4- Dec 1852 d. 18 Apr 1920 her husband that is buried right >next to her? > > >Valerie L. Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > >On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:08:03 -0600 Jan Craven >writes: >>Hi folks, >>There is an Amanda Lyons in Big Woods Cem. b. 4 Nov 1845 d. 31 Dec >>1909 >>w/o J J Hewitt. I this the same Amanda who was the d/o Abel and >>Mary Ann Bryan? Does anyone have kids for her? >> >>I am trying to id ALL of the LYONS in the Big Woods. So get ready for >>more questions! ;o]. Jan >> >> > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:01:39 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980723190136.00754014@mail> Subject: Re: F. J. Hollier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:11 PM 7/21/98 -0500, you wrote: >David, I notice one of your sources is F. J. Hollier. What can you tell me >about him? I'm heading for the library tomorrow and if there's something by >him, I'd like to look it up. Sorry to take so long getting back with you. I met Mr. Hollier when I was in my early teens (about 35 years ago). He shared several family group sheets with me. He was from Texas. That is all i recall. I tried to reach him of someone from his family a couple of years ago but had no success. I'll look for the group sheets as I continue to unpack. Remember the Joseph M. Jordan Yellowed Pages source for Samuel's wife and family? I haven't forgotten. I'm continuing to follow up on my lead but so far no one seems to know who Mr. Jordan is. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:34:38 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000601bdb6b3$fdae4620$30e290d1@rdusek> Subject: Re: F. J. Hollier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, This is an old address - 1991- for A.J. Guidry 4245 Steelton Beaumont, TX 77703 He was very active with Yellowed Pages. He might know Joseph M Jordan. ruby dusek -----Original Message----- From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, July 23, 1998 9:08 PM Subject: Re: F. J. Hollier >At 08:11 PM 7/21/98 -0500, you wrote: >>David, I notice one of your sources is F. J. Hollier. What can you tell me >>about him? I'm heading for the library tomorrow and if there's something by >>him, I'd like to look it up. > >Sorry to take so long getting back with you. > >I met Mr. Hollier when I was in my early teens (about 35 years ago). He >shared several family group sheets with me. He was from Texas. That is all >i recall. I tried to reach him of someone from his family a couple of >years ago but had no success. I'll look for the group sheets as I >continue to unpack. > >Remember the Joseph M. Jordan Yellowed Pages source for Samuel's wife and >family? I haven't forgotten. I'm continuing to follow up on my lead but >so far no one seems to know who Mr. Jordan is. > >David >-- >David Lawrence >dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: >Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com >San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl > ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:58:33 -0700 From: David Lawrence To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980723205831.00709dc4@mail> Subject: Re: William Prather and Martha Berwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:33 PM 7/21/98 -0600, you wrote: >MAN!! I am fixin to hire a professional genealogist to keep up >OK. David, you have TWO Eleanors in the list. >What were they doing? Trying to keep up with the LYONS?? Actually, I have only one Eleanor. The second Eleanor was an artifact of a bad gedcom transfer. (Mostly it was my fault because of the way I was storing alternate names and the way I exported tags. I think that I've fixed the problem.) It was simply an alternate spelling. David -- David Lawrence dlawrenc@mail.sdsu.edu | Genealogy Research: Center for Childhood Injury Prevention | DavidL2@home.com San Diego, California USA | http://www.aznet.net/~davidl ************************************************************************* JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 57 Today's Topics: #1 1880 Census-Mary A. Lyons [vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY)] #2 Re: No email ["Walter N. Langham, Jr." ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from JOHNLYONS-D, send a message to JOHNLYONS-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:34:23 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980724.123430.3246.50.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: 1880 Census-Mary A. Lyons This census is listed as follows: Lyons, Mary A. W F 67 Wd Stock Raiser Emily W F 39 daughter, KH Bennett W. W M 17 grandson Joseph H W M 05 grandson Monroe W M 01 grandson Samuel W M 35 Laborer, son-in-law I know that Emily is the mother of Bennett, and Emily is the daughter of Abel and Mary A., but I need to confirm a connection for Samuel, Joseph and Monroe. Emily was only known to have had one child, and the father is unknown, Emily later in life married a man by the name of Mabry. One of Abel and Mary A.'s daughters was Mary J., her obituary is as follows: ECHO, 14 Feb 1880, P. XI #49: LYONS- Feb 4, 1880, at Big Woods, in this parish, Mary J. Lyons, wife fo Samuel W. Lyons, 32, years, 7 months, 22 days. She leaves a husband, four children, and a large circle of friends and relatives to mourn her death. It is possible that this daughter, Mary J. died and her husband moved in with her mother ( Mary A.) with two of the children. The only question is what happened to or where are the other two children listed in the obit? Who is this Samuel? I don't have him connected with any parents? I would appreciate any feedback any of you might have.....any ideas on where I would begin searching for clues, etc. Thanks Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 21:21:19 -0500 From: "Walter N. Langham, Jr." To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000701bdb772$e9c50580$ad9286d0@default> Subject: Re: No email Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't received any Lyons mail for three days. Think I'm having withdrawal. I tried to change to digest mode and now I just don't get anything. I saw a post on the archived messages asking about my line. My family is from John Lyons and Rebecca Gilchrist.> Alfred Lyons and Sarah Cooper>. Rebecca Lyons and Stephen Gilchrist.> George Allen Gilchrist and Maud Simmons. Stephen Gilchrist was Rebecca Gilchrists grandnephew and Rebecca Lyons was her grandaughter. My FTM program loves that. It doubles all the ancestors in that line and prints everyone twice. Do I need to subscribe again to begin getting the list. I willl happily go back to the regular list. I always feel like I may be missing some good stuff. Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 22:08:44 -0500 From: Shirley Smith To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980724220844.007a2700@mail.maas.net> Subject: Re: No email Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Barbara, thank goodness you SAID it! I was having withdrawal too but tho't that since I had been in and out so much the past week I was booted from the list! I don't think I've been posted yet, I'll tend to that first thing Monday! I can feel this "addiction" getting stronger! Shirley At 09:21 PM 7/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >I haven't received any Lyons mail for three days. Think I'm having >withdrawal. I tried to change to digest mode and now I just don't get >anything. I saw a post on the archived messages asking about my line. My >family is from John Lyons and Rebecca Gilchrist.> Alfred Lyons and Sarah >Cooper>. Rebecca Lyons and Stephen Gilchrist.> George Allen Gilchrist and >Maud Simmons. >Stephen Gilchrist was Rebecca Gilchrists grandnephew and Rebecca Lyons was >her grandaughter. My FTM program loves that. It doubles all the ancestors in >that line and prints everyone twice. > >Do I need to subscribe again to begin getting the list. I will happily go >back to the regular list. I always feel like I may be missing some good >stuff. >Barbara > > > **************************************************************************** OHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 58 Today's Topics: #1 Re: No email [Jan Craven ] #2 Re: 1880 Census-Mary A. Lyons ["Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980725073051.008bb100@mailhost.iamerica.net> Subject: Re: No email Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Barb. I am not getting much LYONS mail either. I think everyone is just hot and busy fanning themselves! LOL We have some folks out on vacation and more that have grandkids visiting. Jan At 09:21 PM 7/24/1998 -0500, you wrote: >I haven't received any Lyons mail for three days. ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:13:02 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <021d01bdb7d6$56d49a60$59438fd0@Plawrence> Subject: Re: 1880 Census-Mary A. Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valerie, I have Abel Lyons b.5 Aug 1806 m. Ann Druzilla 13 Feb 1827, b. abt 1809 d.17 October 1827. Is Mary A. another spouse of Abel? Thanks, harold -----Original Message----- From: VALERIE L CUNDY To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 11:33 AM Subject: 1880 Census-Mary A. Lyons >This census is listed as follows: > >Lyons, Mary A. W F 67 Wd Stock Raiser >Emily W F 39 daughter, KH >Bennett W. W M 17 grandson >Joseph H W M 05 grandson >Monroe W M 01 grandson >Samuel W M 35 Laborer, son-in-law > >I know that Emily is the mother of Bennett, and Emily is the daughter of >Abel and Mary A., but I need to confirm a connection for Samuel, Joseph >and Monroe. Emily was only known to have had one child, and the father is >unknown, Emily later in life married a man by the name of Mabry. > >One of Abel and Mary A.'s daughters was Mary J., her obituary is as >follows: > >ECHO, 14 Feb 1880, P. XI #49: >LYONS- Feb 4, 1880, at Big Woods, in this parish, Mary J. Lyons, wife fo >Samuel W. Lyons, 32, years, 7 months, 22 days. She leaves a husband, >four children, and a large circle of friends and relatives to mourn her >death. > >It is possible that this daughter, Mary J. died and her husband moved in >with her mother ( Mary A.) with two of the children. The only question >is what happened to or where are the other two children listed in the >obit? Who is this Samuel? I don't have him connected with any parents? > >I would appreciate any feedback any of you might have.....any ideas on >where I would begin searching for clues, etc. > >Thanks > > >Valerie L. Cundy >vcundy@juno.com > >_____________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:43:39 -0500 From: "Harold L Lawrence" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <022201bdb7da$9d8f2700$59438fd0@Plawrence> Subject: Isaac Lyons, Martha Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an Isaac Lyons b. 29 April 1817 unconnected to the family. Also Martha Lyons b. 10 June 1824. Can anyone help? harold ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:10:07 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980725.112415.3246.3.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: 1880 Census-Mary A. Lyons Is Mary A. another spouse of Abel? Yes. He married Mary Ann Bryan second, after the death of his first wife. (Michael Lyons Bible Record) pg. 1 Abel Lyons and Ann Druzilla Merriman was married on the 13th day of February (torn) the year 182 (This might be 1827 but the last figure is so indistinct as to be illegible) (Michael Lyons Bible Records) pg. 4 Ann Druzilla, wife of Abel Lyons died on the 15th day of October in the year 1827, aged 18 years * * * 1. MARY ANN2 BRYAN (LUKE1) was born Abt. 1819 (Source: 1870 Census Record, Calcasieu Parish, pg. 78 head of household, with children.), and died 03 June 1882 (Source: (1) Obituary., (2) Probate Record - Abel Lyons and Wife Mary A. Lyons, #451.). She married ABEL LYONS 09 July 1829 in Lafayette, La, Michael Lyons, Home (Source: (1) Lafayette Parish Marriage Records, H. II 692, Mar. #49., (2) Father Hebert SW LA Records, 1811-1830, pg 612.), son of MICHAEL LYONS and MARY HAYES. More About MARY ANN BRYAN: Obituary Info: 17 June 1882, ECHO Newspaper Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:13:02 -0500 "Harold L Lawrence" writes: >Valerie, > I have Abel Lyons b.5 Aug 1806 m. Ann Druzilla 13 Feb >1827, b. >abt 1809 d.17 October 1827. Is Mary A. another spouse of Abel? >Thanks, harold > >-----Original Message----- >From: VALERIE L CUNDY >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Friday, July 24, 1998 11:33 AM >Subject: 1880 Census-Mary A. Lyons > > >>This census is listed as follows: >> >>Lyons, Mary A. W F 67 Wd Stock Raiser >>Emily W F 39 daughter, KH >>Bennett W. W M 17 grandson >>Joseph H W M 05 grandson >>Monroe W M 01 grandson >>Samuel W M 35 Laborer, son-in-law >> >>I know that Emily is the mother of Bennett, and Emily is the daughter >of >>Abel and Mary A., but I need to confirm a connection for Samuel, >Joseph >>and Monroe. Emily was only known to have had one child, and the >father is >>unknown, Emily later in life married a man by the name of Mabry. >> >>One of Abel and Mary A.'s daughters was Mary J., her obituary is as >>follows: >> >>ECHO, 14 Feb 1880, P. XI #49: >>LYONS- Feb 4, 1880, at Big Woods, in this parish, Mary J. Lyons, wife >fo >>Samuel W. Lyons, 32, years, 7 months, 22 days. She leaves a husband, >>four children, and a large circle of friends and relatives to mourn >her >>death. >> >>It is possible that this daughter, Mary J. died and her husband moved >in >>with her mother ( Mary A.) with two of the children. The only >question >>is what happened to or where are the other two children listed in the >>obit? Who is this Samuel? I don't have him connected with any >parents? >> >>I would appreciate any feedback any of you might have.....any ideas >on >>where I would begin searching for clues, etc. >> >>Thanks >> >> >>Valerie L. Cundy >>vcundy@juno.com >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com >>Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:30:40 -0400 From: vcundy@juno.com (VALERIE L CUNDY) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19980725.113146.3246.5.VCUNDY@juno.com> Subject: Re: Isaac Lyons, Martha Lyons Harold, Martha and Isaac were brother and sister, they belong to Michael Sr. MARTHA LYONS (MICHAEL, JOHN, SAMUEL LYON(S)) was born 10 June 1824 in Near Gueydan, Louisiana (Source: Bible Record of Michael Lyons.), and died 14 March 1853 (Source: Ted Lyons Files.). She married JOHNSON MOSS 16 February 1841 in Calcasiue Parish, Lousiana (Source: Lafayette Parish Marriage Records, H. IV 364, Mar. #164.), son of HENRY MOSS and ANNA RYAN. ISAAC LYONS (MICHAEL, JOHN, SAMUEL LYON(S)) was born 29 April 1817 in Near Gueydan, Louisiana (Source: (1) Bible Record of Michael Lyons., (2) Ted Lyons Files.), and died Bef. 1870. He married MARY Bef. 1860. Valerie L. Cundy vcundy@juno.com On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:43:39 -0500 "Harold L Lawrence" writes: > I have an Isaac Lyons b. 29 April 1817 unconnected to the family. >Also >Martha Lyons b. 10 June 1824. Can anyone help? > >harold > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:06:00 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000f01bdb7e6$20174940$7f1990d1@default> Subject: Birthdate of Euphemie Petry Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found the following from the Censuses of: 1850 - Euphemie - age 22 (i.e., born ca. 1828) 1860 - Euphemie - age 24 (i.e., born ca. 1836) This is the only one that appears to be different from "age 21" as was transcribed. I copied the census and it looks more like 24 than 21 - hard to read, though. 1870 - Euphemie - age 34 (i.e., born ca. 1836) 1880 - Euphemie - age 48 (i.e., born ca. 1832) The Meridional states death on June 11, 1897 at age 67 (i.e., born ca. 1830) Now, folks, I need advice - where do I look next? BTW, the best part of my trip to Clayton Library was meeting Ruby Dusek !! She's so knowledgeable and will probably regret our meeting when I start bombarding her with endless questions. Lynn ***************************************************************************