Messages from the John LYONS study group. Various Parishes, Louisiana Submitted: In file ************************************************ Submitted to the LAGenWeb Archives http:/www.usgwarchives.net/la/lafiles.htm ************************************************ Copyright. All rights reserved. http://www.usgwarchives.net/copyright.htm ************************************************ TIPS FOR SEARCHING RECORDS ON THE INTERNET Netscape & Ms Explorer users: If searching for a particular surname, locality or date while going through the records in the archives or anywhere....try these few steps: 1. Go to the top of the report you are searching. 2. Click on EDIT at the top of your screen. 3. Next click on FIND in the edit menu. 4. When the square pops up, enter what you are looking for in the FIND WHAT ___________blank. 5. Click on DIRECTION __DOWN. 6. And last click on FIND NEXT and continue to click on FIND NEXT until you reach the end of the report. This should highlight the item that you indicated in "find what" every place it appears in the report. You must continue to click on FIND NEXT till you reach the end of the report to see all of the locations of the item indicated. -------------------------------------------------------------- JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 45 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Marriages [VCundy@aol.com] #2 Re: Marriages [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #3 Re: Marriages [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] This list is archived. To view the archives or to find other sites with information about the Lyons family link to: http://www.aznet.net/~davidl/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:26:52 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <9d2623af.24f5491c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Marriages Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joy, I don't know who this John Lyons is that married Mary Ellen Oct 1, 1889....There is a John C Lyons , son of Erastus James & Tabitha Robinson, I don't have any dates or marriages for him, but the time frame would fit based on the ages of his brothers & sisters....maybe someone on the list that descends from John Lyons Jr. would have more information on this John that would help. Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:22:45 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5033-37C43475-1814@postoffice-222.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Marriages Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I asked that Lee Granger to have his Sweeney buddy to write me Maybe she will know It must be one of the cousins of B W Lyons Sr as the dates are about the same for both sisters JOY ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:23:08 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5040-37C4348C-956@postoffice-222.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Marriages Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I put it on the list but nothing so far JOY JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 46 Today's Topics: #1 WW I Registration cards [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #2 Digest # 43 & 44 [Jan Craven ] #3 Lyons?? [Mike Gil ] #4 Re: Lyons?? RIGMAIDEN CEMETERY-Jos [VCundy@aol.com] #5 Re: Lyons?? CORPORATION CEMETERY- [VCundy@aol.com] #6 Re: Lyons Emily Mcquire Lyons [DLyons1375@aol.com] #7 Re: Lyons?? [VCundy@aol.com] #8 Re: Lyons?? [Mike Gil ] #9 Re: Lyons?? ["Stuart MacKillican" Subject: WW I Registration cards Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=ISO-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by bl-11.rootsweb.com id BAA14465 This info was in Julie Case this morning I believe it clarifies the whole case of Registration Cards from 1817-1818 The following information is provided by the National Archives and Records Administration, Southeast Region, in response to recent postings on several list serves concerning World War One (WWI) Draft Registration cards maintained at our facility. Unfortunately, the original posting, and subsequent, altered postings provided incorrect information about these holdings and related reference procedures. To better serve the public and the research community, we provide the following information and guidance concerning the WWI Draft Registration cards: 1. The original cards, in excess of 24 million, were received at our facility a number of years ago. Upon their receipt, they were boxed and arranged by NARA employees. The original arrangement was by state, thereunder by county or draft board, and thereunder alphabetically by the registrant's last name. The cause for arrangement by draft board instead of county is due to the size of certain cities. For example, New York City had in excess of 180 boards, Chicago had over 80. As a result, we require a street address when searching for cards in most large cities. 2. The cards were later microfilmed by representatives of the Genealogical Society of Utah in the exact order they were originally arranged; each NARA regional facility has a copy of the microfilm for the states in the region that it serves. Any patron wishing to use microfilm will find the cards arranged exactly as they are in the box. The arrangement of the cards has never been changed. 3. NARA, Southeast Region, has provided a request form for these records for a number of years. The forms can be ordered via e-mail (archives@atlanta.gov), telephone (404-763-7383), or in writing (NARA, Southeast Region, 1557 St. Joseph Avenue, East Point, GA 30344). 4. At a minimum, the following information is required from the requestor for NARA staff to conduct a search for draft registration cards:       o Full name of registrant       o Complete home address at the time of registration     (to include county)       o Name of nearest relative 5. Additional information, if known, which can improve the thoroughness of a search includes:       o Birth date       o Birthplace       o Occupation of registrant 6. In July, 1997 NARA established an updated fee schedule for services provided to the public. The minimum mail-order fee for photocopies for each WWI Draft card was increased from $6.00 to $10.00, a fee which includes both sides of the card. Patrons need not request that both sides of the card be copied, and patrons need not submit a self-addressed stamped envelope (SASE) with their request. Walk-in customers can make self-service photocopies of the original records for $0.10 per side. Please contact individual regions for their policies regarding microfilm copies. These fees are copying fees only; there is no charge for searches when a record is not located. The staff of the NARA, Southeast Region, remains committed to assisting our patrons in anyway possible, including the timely and accurate dissemination of information concerning our holdings and services. The WWI Draft Registration cards represent only one of many significant collections of historical records maintained by the Region that are invaluable for genealogical research. For additional information regarding our holdings and services, visit our home page at . JAMES J. MCSWEENEY, Regional Administrator National Archives and Records Administration, Southeast Region JOY ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:37:23 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990826203723.00763be8@mail.usunwired.net> Subject: Digest # 43 & 44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi. If any of you have digests # 43 and 44 would you please send them to me? Thanks, Jan ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:17:09 -0500 From: Mike Gil To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <37C5F525.33A401E1@bellsouth.net> Subject: Lyons?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 I have went through all the cemeteries in the Calcasieu Parish area & related all Lyons except for a few. Can you guys help me place them? GRACELAND/ORANGE GROVE CEMETERY 1) Beatrice Magnolia Lyons (b) 9/12/1869 2) Curtis Lyons (m) Lois Heard 3) Amanda Lyons (b) abt 1813 (d) 1/28/1904 4) Esther Lyons (b) 1895 (d) 1970 5) J. Ad Lyons (b) 4/1/1867 (d) 11/21/1939 6) Mrs. J.J. Lyons (b) 7/14/1850 (d) 7/30/1918 7) J. Preston (b) 3/17/1873 (d) 10/16/1929 8) Jessie Beldon Lyons (b) 3/1/1873 (d) 6/14/1936 9) John L. Lyons (b) 7/4/1875 (d) 11/29/1953 10) Lillian Beldon (b) 6/3/1880 (d) 7/22/1938 (m) J.A. Lyons 11) Lizza A. Lyons (b) 1859 (d) 1933 12) Martha Ann Butler (b) 1830 (d) 1901 (m) Joseph Lyons 13) Rose Babin Lyons (b) 2/19/1888 (d) 3/14/1961 14) Ted Lyons Jr. (b) 3/21/1970 (d) 3/22/1970 RIGMAIDEN CEMETERY 1) Alan J. Lyons (b) 7/12/1858 (d) 2/1931 2) Dosita A. Lyons (b) 1/19/1884 (d) 8/16/1947 3) Josephine Rigmaiden (b) 7/13/1862 (d) 11/1932 4) Robert Lee Lyons (b) 5/17/1903 (d) 6/1951 BIG WOODS CEMETERY 1) Dewey Lyons (b) 10/13/1898 (d) 7/5/1964 2) Florence M. Lyons (b) 6/23/1922 (d) 11/21/1988 3) Gayle Eugene Lyons (b) 4/27/1937 (d) 3/24/1913 4) Hazel Irene Lyons (b) 3/12/1897 (d) 3/24/1984 5) John Lewis Lyons (b) 5/13/1925 (d) 8/31/1963 6) Lois Lyons (b) 4/16/1908 (d) 10/31/1953 (m) L.E. Huckabee 7) Mandana Lyons (b) 11/13/1857 (d) 6/15/1937 (m) Wilson E. Whatley 8) Martha Lyons (b) 7/1847 (d) 6/15/1909 (m) Henry Berry 9) Mary Virginia Talley (b) 11/10/1917 (d) 8/21/1957 (m) John E. Lyons 10) Morris S. Lyons (b) 1/19/1918 (d) 2/3/1982 (m) Bertha Goss 11) Ora A. Lyons (b) 1/6/1902 (d) 11/11/1911 12) Robert Benson Lyons (b) 11/13/1863 (d) 9/4/1867 13) Rollie Vernon Lyons (b) 11/19/1905 (d) 12/7/1974 (m) Corine Wilfer Lyons 14) Sherry Lee Lyons (b) 6/23/1946 (d) 7/16/1946 15) Wasey Lyons (b) 10/5/1900 (d) 9/2/1942 16) William M. Lyons (b) 2/3/1894 (d) 11/5/1947 17) Willie Bell Lyons (b) 8/22/1911 (d) 1/5/1967 (m) F.M. Strother BURLESON CEMETERY 1) Delanie Lyons (b) 10/20/???? (d) 12/21/1923 CATHOLIC CEMETERY 1) J. Jefferson Lyons (b) 11/4/1841 (d) 4/24/1906 CONSOLATA CEMETERY 1) Andrew D. Lyons Jr. (b) 9/15/1929 (d) 1/19/1992 2) Louise H. Lyons (b) 6/27/1903 (d) 5/20/1989 CORPORATION CEMETERY ~aka~ MAGNOLIA CEMETERY 1) Isabelle Menerva Lyons (b) 8/31/1879 (d) 8/4/1883 2) Mary Ann Lyons (b) 1805 (d) 6/3/1882 3) Pearl Quitman Lyons (b) 5/4/1884 (d) 6/29/1884 4) Talisma Lyons (b) 4/15/1848 (d) 5/16/1883 (m) S.H. Clement 5) Thomas J. Lyons (b) 11/10/1815 (d) 10/16/1884 FARQUHAR CEMETERY 1) D.N. Lyons (b) ? (d) ? 2) Dorothy Lyons (b) ? (d) ? 3) Emily A. Lyons (b) 1/25/1878 (d) 2/17/1942 4) Fred Lyons (b) 8/8/1889 (d) 3/4/1971 5) Jimmie Lyons (b) 12/13/1889 (b) 8/18/1951 6) L.W. Lyons (b) 5/26/1856 (d) 1/30/1915 Thanks, Anne Galloway Gil Harvey, LA (Rose Lyons, Thomas Lyons Sr., George Jack Lyons, Johnny Lyons, William A. Lyons, William Lyons, John Lyons) ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:35:13 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <67c853b.24f75361@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lyons?? RIGMAIDEN CEMETERY-Josephine Rigmaiden Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Descendants of Josephine Rigmaiden Generation No. 1 1. JOSEPHINE1 RIGMAIDEN was born 13 July, 1862 in Calcasieu Parish, Louisiana, and died November 1932 in DeQuincy, Louisiana. She married ALLEN JEFFERSON LYONS (Source: 1870 Census Record, Calcasieu Parish.) 30 January, 1882, son of OSCAR LYONS and MINERVA PERKINS. Children of JOSEPHINE RIGMAIDEN and ALLEN LYONS are: i. EVANDER J2 LYONS, b. 01 January, 1883; d. 18 December, 1960; m. EMMA WHITE, 1908. ii. FLORENCE BERTHA LYONS, b. 12 October, 1884; d. 1894. iii. BENJAMIN JOSHUA LYONS, b. 20 August, 1886; d. 04 February, 1979; m. ALLICIARE LUSK, 25 December, 1913. iv. RONDEL EVERETT LYONS, b. 07 July, 1892; d. 04 November, 1979; m. MAY GRIFFEN, 11 July, 1917. v. ALBERT NATHAN LYONS, b. 15 July, 1894; d. 15 December, 1950; m. MARGARET MCFATTER. vi. LILLIE IRENE LYONS, b. 04 September, 1895; d. 30 September, 1978; m. JAMES BRITT WHITFIELD, 20 February, 1920. 2. vii. CLARA LYONS, b. 23 August, 1897, Calcasieu Parish, Louisiana; d. 21 June, 1985, DeQuincy, Louisiana. viii. MABEL LYONS, b. 18 June, 1901; d. 15 May, 1986; m. JACK SPILLER, 06 November, 1922. ix. ROBERT LEE LYONS, b. 17 May, 1903; d. June 1951; m. ETHA BROWN, 03 July, 1924. Generation No. 2 2. CLARA2 LYONS (JOSEPHINE1 RIGMAIDEN) was born 23 August, 1897 in Calcasieu Parish, Louisiana, and died 21 June, 1985 in DeQuincy, Louisiana. She married JOSEPH REGNALD CLARKE 23 November, 1921. Child of CLARA LYONS and JOSEPH CLARKE is: i. MARY KATHERINE3 CLARKE, b. 24 October, 1927, DeQuincy, Louisiana; m. GRANVILLE SEMMES HAMMOND, 04 June, 1950. ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:43:33 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2dc5ae3c.24f75555@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lyons?? CORPORATION CEMETERY- Thomas J Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Descendants of Thomas J Lyons Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS J4 LYONS (SAMUEL3, JOHN2, SAMUEL1 LYON(S)) was born 10 November, 1815 in St. Landry , La., and died 16 October, 1884 in Lake Charles, La. (Source: Echo.). He married MARGUERITE HARMON 11 November, 1834 in St. Landry, La. (Source: SL, #78.). ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:56:09 EDT From: DLyons1375@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lyons Emily Mcquire Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was Married To Alexander Lyons it is in William A. Lyons Decendants ,They had Ten Childern Emily Lyons Is buired next to husband Alexander David Lyons ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:06:35 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <9d36ecb3.24f75abb@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lyons?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Anne, I'm not having too much luck linking these people, you might be able to find some answers in the cemetery listing on the GENWEB. It has all these cemeteries plus more in the Calcasieu area listed with who's in them. Sometimes there is even clues as to who they are, daughter of, wife of, etc. The address to that link is: http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/calcasieu/calcemtc.htm In the meantime, I'll keep my eyes open for connections. Good Luck! Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:18:31 -0500 From: Mike Gil To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <37C60387.45F53837@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Lyons?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Valerie, but thats were most of these came from. No luck so far. Anne VCundy@aol.com wrote: > Hi Anne, > > I'm not having too much luck linking these people, you might be able to find > some answers in the cemetery listing on the GENWEB. It has all these > cemeteries plus more in the Calcasieu area listed with who's in them. > Sometimes there is even clues as to who they are, daughter of, wife of, etc. > The address to that link is: > > http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/calcasieu/calcemtc.htm > > In the meantime, I'll keep my eyes open for connections. > > Good Luck! > > Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:23:35 -0500 From: "Stuart MacKillican" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000d01bef043$f049dc40$4672c0d0@pnxcusto> Subject: Re: Lyons?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 3)Orange Grove -Amanda Stanton Lyons w/o John Lyons III s/o John Michael Lyons & Mary Forman. She was b.Feb. 18,1812 St. Landry Ph. d/o Malachi Stanton & Sarah McManus. Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Gil To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 1999 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Lyons?? > Thanks Valerie, but thats were most of these came from. No luck so far. > > Anne > > VCundy@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Anne, > > > > I'm not having too much luck linking these people, you might be able to find > > some answers in the cemetery listing on the GENWEB. It has all these > > cemeteries plus more in the Calcasieu area listed with who's in them. > > Sometimes there is even clues as to who they are, daughter of, wife of, etc. > > The address to that link is: > > > > http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/calcasieu/calcemtc.htm > > > > In the meantime, I'll keep my eyes open for connections. > > > > Good Luck! > > > > Valerie > JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 47 Today's Topics: #1 Re: corrections [ChezMary@aol.com] #2 Re: MEMBERS OF THE LIST UPDATE [john & nelda stebbins Subject: Re: corrections Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please see Ted Jr and Pearl--b & d dates are same.......... i know that is sometimes a possibility but the Ted and Miss Pearl that lived in Vinton both lived to be old timers!!! mary dee ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:44:44 +0000 From: john & nelda stebbins To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <37C714DC.41616E3@centuryinter.net> Subject: Re: MEMBERS OF THE LIST UPDATE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My name is Nelda Stebbins I am descended from Michael Lyons & Polly Hayes VCundy@aol.com wrote: > I would like to update the list for everyone. All I have is your actual email > address as a subscriber to the John Lyons list. For those of you I can't > recognize, your screen name is listed below. Please email me with your first > and last name, along with what child of John and Nancy you descend from. I > will then update the bottom portion of this email to reflect the current > standing of the list. Thanks for your help. Valerie > > algravois > aroarkne > hmillion > benlock > swanson > QFHA43A > FFWP26A > matuvi > cen34447 > KAntee2558 > beanska > Billyb600 > mag42 > sshaw > pheonix574 > rsirmon > AKDana > i675188 > SMacKillican > RCulbe6428 > tia97 > DLyons1375 > mikegil > > 1. Valerie Cundy > 2. Jan Craven > 3. Barbara Langham > 4. David Lawrence > 5. Lynn Bagley King > 6. Ben Carroll > 7. Mary Hammond > 8. LV Hayes > 9. Rosemary Carraway > 10.Mary Lane > 11.Jeremy Fountain > 12.Jennifer Anne Turner > 13.Laura Wright > 14.Wayne Linebarger > 15.Robert Broussard > 16 Betty Gaiennie > 17 Tim Lyons > 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud > 19. Ruby Dusek > 20. Joy Moore > 21. Harold Lawrence > 22. Carol Austin > 23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) > 24. Lesylee Gautreaux > 25. Michael Bradford > 26. Nelda Stebbins > 27. Shirely Smith > 28. Mary Antee > 29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) > 30. Rand Wagner > 31. Mike Baumann > 32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) > 33. Mary Dee Nicks > 34. Bryan Perkins > 35. Shannon Shaw > 36. Bill Hall > 37 SUSAN SHANLEY > 38 MICHAEL LYONS > > WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We > currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. > Please post how you descend from John Lyons to the list. So Far we have: > > MICHAEL > > Valerie Cundy > Jeremy Fountain > Wayne Linebarger > Ti m Lyons > Ruby Dusek > Joy Moore > Carol Austin > > JOHN JR. > > Ben Carroll > Mary Hammond > Rose Carraway > Barbara Langham > Laura Wright > Mary Lane > Shirley Smith > Bill Hall > > GABRIEL > > Sharon Shaw > Shannon Shaw > > ELIZABETH > > SAMUEL > > Jennifer Turner > Jo Anne Arnaud > Betty Gaiennie > Robert Broussard > Susan Shanley > > WILLIAM > > Jan Craven > Laura Wright > Mary Dee Nicks > Lesylee Gautreaux > > DAVID > > David Lawrence > Lynn King > Harold Lawrence > Michael Bradford > Mary Antee > Jimmy Lawrence > Rand Wagner > Mike Baumann > Riecke Baumann > > JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 48 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Lyons?? RIGMAIDEN CEMETERY-Jos ["David Swanson" ] #3 Members Location [VCundy@aol.com] #4 Re: Members Location [Jan Craven ] #5 Re: Lyons?? RIGMAIDEN CEMETERY-Jos [VCundy@aol.com] #6 Re: Members Location [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] #7 Re: Members Location [Maude Ann Gilmore ] #13 Update [Lesylee Gautreaux ] ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:30:38 -0500 From: "David Swanson" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199908290036.TAA19659@chupacabras.flash.net> Subject: Re: Lyons?? RIGMAIDEN CEMETERY-Josephine Rigmaiden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Valerie, Evander's son Elmo is alive in DeQuincy. His dob is 11/4/1916; born in Beuregard Parish. His phone # is 318/786-3123. He's hard of hearing, but Jan Craven has spoken to and visited with him. We need his wife's name and when & where he was married- better hurry. Ask Jan. ---------- > From: VCundy@aol.com > To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Lyons?? RIGMAIDEN CEMETERY-Josephine Rigmaiden > Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 9:35 PM > > > Descendants of Josephine Rigmaiden > > > Generation No. 1 > > 1. JOSEPHINE1 RIGMAIDEN was born 13 July, 1862 in Calcasieu Parish, > Louisiana, and died November 1932 in DeQuincy, Louisiana. She married ALLEN > JEFFERSON LYONS (Source: 1870 Census Record, Calcasieu Parish.) 30 January, > 1882, son of OSCAR LYONS and MINERVA PERKINS. > > Children of JOSEPHINE RIGMAIDEN and ALLEN LYONS are: > i. EVANDER J2 LYONS, b. 01 January, 1883; d. 18 December, 1960; m. EMMA > WHITE, 1908. > ii. FLORENCE BERTHA LYONS, b. 12 October, 1884; d. 1894. > iii. BENJAMIN JOSHUA LYONS, b. 20 August, 1886; d. 04 February, 1979; > m. ALLICIARE LUSK, 25 December, 1913. > iv. RONDEL EVERETT LYONS, b. 07 July, 1892; d. 04 November, 1979; m. MAY > GRIFFEN, 11 July, 1917. > v. ALBERT NATHAN LYONS, b. 15 July, 1894; d. 15 December, 1950; m. > MARGARET MCFATTER. > vi. LILLIE IRENE LYONS, b. 04 September, 1895; d. 30 September, 1978; m. > JAMES BRITT WHITFIELD, 20 February, 1920. > 2. vii. CLARA LYONS, b. 23 August, 1897, Calcasieu Parish, Louisiana; d. > 21 June, 1985, DeQuincy, Louisiana. > viii. MABEL LYONS, b. 18 June, 1901; d. 15 May, 1986; m. JACK SPILLER, > 06 November, 1922. > ix. ROBERT LEE LYONS, b. 17 May, 1903; d. June 1951; m. ETHA BROWN, 03 > July, 1924. > > > Generation No. 2 > > 2. CLARA2 LYONS (JOSEPHINE1 RIGMAIDEN) was born 23 August, 1897 in Calcasieu > Parish, Louisiana, and died 21 June, 1985 in DeQuincy, Louisiana. She > married JOSEPH REGNALD CLARKE 23 November, 1921. > > Child of CLARA LYONS and JOSEPH CLARKE is: > i. MARY KATHERINE3 CLARKE, b. 24 October, 1927, DeQuincy, Louisiana; m. > GRANVILLE SEMMES HAMMOND, 04 June, 1950. > ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:06:18 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990828200618.006efc68@mail.usunwired.net> Subject: Re: Lyons?? RIGMAIDEN CEMETERY-Josephine Rigmaiden Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am snowed under right now training new folks for the archives, but I'll try to remember to call him tomorrow.....I should remember his wife's name! They are really nice folks. IF we ever can get Val to come down here, we can invite them to the reunion. Hint Hint. OH, LV, you'd better batten down the hatches! Looks like that storm is headed your way! Jan At 07:30 PM 8/28/1999 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Valerie, >Evander's son Elmo is alive in DeQuincy. His dob is 11/4/1916; born in >Beuregard Parish. His phone # is 318/786-3123. He's hard of hearing, but >Jan Craven has spoken to and visited with him. We need his wife's name and >when & where he was married- better hurry. Ask Jan. > >---------- >> From: VCundy@aol.com >> To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: Lyons?? RIGMAIDEN CEMETERY-Josephine Rigmaiden >> Date: Thursday, August 26, 1999 9:35 PM >> >> >> Descendants of Josephine Rigmaiden >> >> >> Generation No. 1 >> >> 1. JOSEPHINE1 RIGMAIDEN was born 13 July, 1862 in Calcasieu Parish, >> Louisiana, and died November 1932 in DeQuincy, Louisiana. She married >ALLEN >> JEFFERSON LYONS (Source: 1870 Census Record, Calcasieu Parish.) 30 >January, >> 1882, son of OSCAR LYONS and MINERVA PERKINS. >> >> Children of JOSEPHINE RIGMAIDEN and ALLEN LYONS are: >> i. EVANDER J2 LYONS, b. 01 January, 1883; d. 18 December, 1960; m. >EMMA >> WHITE, 1908. >> ii. FLORENCE BERTHA LYONS, b. 12 October, 1884; d. 1894. >> iii. BENJAMIN JOSHUA LYONS, b. 20 August, 1886; d. 04 February, >1979; >> m. ALLICIARE LUSK, 25 December, 1913. >> iv. RONDEL EVERETT LYONS, b. 07 July, 1892; d. 04 November, 1979; m. >MAY >> GRIFFEN, 11 July, 1917. >> v. ALBERT NATHAN LYONS, b. 15 July, 1894; d. 15 December, 1950; m. >> MARGARET MCFATTER. >> vi. LILLIE IRENE LYONS, b. 04 September, 1895; d. 30 September, 1978; >m. >> JAMES BRITT WHITFIELD, 20 February, 1920. >> 2. vii. CLARA LYONS, b. 23 August, 1897, Calcasieu Parish, Louisiana; >d. >> 21 June, 1985, DeQuincy, Louisiana. >> viii. MABEL LYONS, b. 18 June, 1901; d. 15 May, 1986; m. JACK >SPILLER, >> 06 November, 1922. >> ix. ROBERT LEE LYONS, b. 17 May, 1903; d. June 1951; m. ETHA BROWN, >03 >> July, 1924. >> >> >> Generation No. 2 >> >> 2. CLARA2 LYONS (JOSEPHINE1 RIGMAIDEN) was born 23 August, 1897 in >Calcasieu >> Parish, Louisiana, and died 21 June, 1985 in DeQuincy, Louisiana. She >> married JOSEPH REGNALD CLARKE 23 November, 1921. >> >> Child of CLARA LYONS and JOSEPH CLARKE is: >> i. MARY KATHERINE3 CLARKE, b. 24 October, 1927, DeQuincy, Louisiana; >m. >> GRANVILLE SEMMES HAMMOND, 04 June, 1950. >> > > > ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:10:32 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where are you located LV?, Anyone else in the storm's path? We still have a few people that I would like to hear from on the earlier post regarding the members list. It would be nice to know where everyone is, if you don't mind.......reply to this post with your name and location. We had hoped to have another reunion this year but it just didn't work out, Dry Creek Baptist Camp is really the best place we've come up with and scheduling is somewhat of a problem due to their youth camps, with any luck maybe in 2000. Anyone have connections with this camp? Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:20:50 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990828202050.006fce64@mail.usunwired.net> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jan Craven.....Lake Charles, LA. At 09:10 PM 8/28/1999 EDT, you wrote: >Where are you located LV?, Anyone else in the storm's path? We still have a >few people that I would like to hear from on the earlier post regarding the >members list. It would be nice to know where everyone is, if you don't >mind.......reply to this post with your name and location. We had hoped to >have another reunion this year but it just didn't work out, Dry Creek Baptist >Camp is really the best place we've come up with and scheduling is somewhat >of a problem due to their youth camps, with any luck maybe in 2000. Anyone >have connections with this camp? > >Valerie > > > ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:32:18 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <39050e8c.24f9e7a2@aol.com> Subject: Re: Lyons?? RIGMAIDEN CEMETERY-Josephine Rigmaiden Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Rosemary, I went ahead and called Elmo, he's a real nice man.....said that he spoke to you earlier tonight. Anyway, his wife's name is RUBY TREME, b.12-21-1918, they were married 8-5-1942 in DeQuincy,they have one son, Warren Allen Lyons. Elmo's cousin is one of our group here.......Mary Hammond......I know she can help out with this line, she's done a good bit of work. Hope that helps. Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:35:29 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5035-37C88E61-18522@postoffice-222.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Joy Moore -- Karnack TX Half way between Marshall Tx and Shreveport La JOY ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:42:42 -0500 From: Maude Ann Gilmore To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990828204148.0095c290@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Maude Ann Gilmore--Plano, TX Sorry, no connection to the camp! At 09:10 PM 8/28/99, you wrote: >Where are you located LV?, Anyone else in the storm's path? We still have a >few people that I would like to hear from on the earlier post regarding the >members list. It would be nice to know where everyone is, if you don't >mind.......reply to this post with your name and location. We had hoped to >have another reunion this year but it just didn't work out, Dry Creek Baptist >Camp is really the best place we've come up with and scheduling is somewhat >of a problem due to their youth camps, with any luck maybe in 2000. Anyone >have connections with this camp? > >Valerie ________________ Maude Ann Gilmore mailto:mag42@airmail.net ________________ ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:22:38 +0000 From: john & nelda stebbins To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <37C8612D.D3CCE329@centuryinter.net> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nelda Stebbins - Ragley, La. Maude Ann Gilmore wrote: > Maude Ann Gilmore--Plano, TX Sorry, no connection to the camp! > > At 09:10 PM 8/28/99, you wrote: > >Where are you located LV?, Anyone else in the storm's path? We still have a > >few people that I would like to hear from on the earlier post regarding the > >members list. It would be nice to know where everyone is, if you don't > >mind.......reply to this post with your name and location. We had hoped to > >have another reunion this year but it just didn't work out, Dry Creek Baptist > >Camp is really the best place we've come up with and scheduling is somewhat > >of a problem due to their youth camps, with any luck maybe in 2000. Anyone > >have connections with this camp? > > > >Valerie > > ________________ > Maude Ann Gilmore > mailto:mag42@airmail.net > ________________ ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:06:58 -0500 From: "Stuart MacKillican" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001101bef1d3$f0e3b180$8271c0d0@pnxcusto> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stuart MacKillican-Orange,Tx. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 8:10 PM Subject: Members Location > Where are you located LV?, Anyone else in the storm's path? We still have a > few people that I would like to hear from on the earlier post regarding the > members list. It would be nice to know where everyone is, if you don't > mind.......reply to this post with your name and location. We had hoped to > have another reunion this year but it just didn't work out, Dry Creek Baptist > Camp is really the best place we've come up with and scheduling is somewhat > of a problem due to their youth camps, with any luck maybe in 2000. Anyone > have connections with this camp? > > Valerie > ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:39:20 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199908290643.CAA326038@pimout4-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol Austin -- Garden Grove, CA ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:01:28 EDT From: Billyb600@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <37063d14.24fa6d08@aol.com> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Hall - Beaumont, TX ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 07:36:56 -0500 From: Mike Gil To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <37C92968.F4380DDE@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anne Galloway Gil (Mike Gil) - Harvey, Louisiana ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 05:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Lesylee Gautreaux To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19990829125738.9578.rocketmail@attach1.rocketmail.com> Subject: Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lesylee Gautreaux - Orange, Tx. (William) ______________________________X-Message: #14 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:58:44 -0500 From: "Walter" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <006f01bef237$5f9cfec0$1c9286d0@tca.net> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara Langham Kilgore, Tx JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 49 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Members Location [LV Hayes To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990829204343.007d8c20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cumberland Co, NC (just outside Fayetteville). We're about 100 miles from the coast, and the hurricanes usually pass us by. We're hoping our good luck will continue. LV ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:51:26 EDT From: ChezMary@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6a030a6c.24fbf46e@aol.com> Subject: Re: Members Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in Phenix City, AL, home of the Little League USA CHAMPS!!! Better than being known as "Sin City" from the post war days! It was Gen Patton that threatened to blow the place off the map when he was at Ft. Benning! Actually, there is a movie out called THE PHENIX CITY STORY, made in the early 70's and now a NEW book out that REALLY tells the story and the truth about what went on here. It was awful. There is not a movie today that has any other story line worse than this! PC has their own Godfather! It's a pretty place, on the river, very hilly and green, lots of history and development that reflects yesteryear. I have to give our leaders credit for preserving the pre civil war sights and relics here. The Convention center is the sight of a munitions factory, the Hilton Hotel is the old Empire Mills, the Confederate Naval Museum is being reconstructed on a larger sight along the river banks, and the new $100 million TOTAL SYSTEMS CAMPUS contains a pre civil war home in it's midst! It was discovered during the demoliton of the old cotton mill and is now being restored!!! This is certainly not the asphalt jungle I left behind in Houston. The only things I miss about Houston are Clayton Library and the choice of eateries! (sorry Texans and Houstonians, I'm a country girl from the heart) Anyway, I'm sorry that LV is 'sort of' close to the storm but it has brought us relief in temperatures here. LV< >>this is a long way from Calcasieu Parish!!! If any of you travel the Montgomery - Atlanta I-85, detour and come see me!!! mary dee JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 50 Today's Topics: #1 Location ["Ruby Dusek" ] #2 Children of Michael Lyons [VCundy@aol.com] #3 Direction of the List [VCundy@aol.com] #4 Re: Direction of the List ["Walter" ] #5 Re: Direction of the List [joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore)] ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:20:47 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00ed01bef335$fc2741c0$b74158d8@rdusek> Subject: Location Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ruby Dusek just moved 4 overpasses west of Houston to Katy, TX. ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:07:33 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Children of Michael Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have the following information for the children of Michael Lyons and Mary Hayes? DEATH dates including sources for : Nancy Ann Lyons, b. 12 Oct 1810, died? Aborn , b. 19 Oct 1812, died? Solomon, b. 27 Feb 1819, died? SOURCE for death date: Benjamin, d. 26 Mar 1916 Marriage SOURCE for: Bozman, b. 20 Apr 1815 m. to Melanie Nunez Isaac, b. 29 Apr 1817, DEATH date? m. to Mary? ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:09:14 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4589cdfd.24fca15a@aol.com> Subject: Direction of the List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's good to see all the responses coming in and where everyone is located. Now that I know a good many of you are still out there, the next question is where are you on researching this family? Tell me what your looking for? Are you in need of information? Do you have information you would like to share? What would you like to see happen with this list? I need you feedback. I personally would like to have anything that anyone out there is willing to share of their family tree, and in return I'm happy to share anything I have that your interested in. I could post stuff all day, but I don't know what your after, but if I have it, your welcome to it. We did so much in the beginning I don't really know where would be a good place to pick back up at. Throw me some ideas, let's see if we can get things started again. By the way----if you would rather receive your messages from the list in a digest mode ( several posts at once) rather than each message individually, let me know and I can change that for you. Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:14:22 -0500 From: "Walter" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000c01bef35e$eca58b20$709086d0@tca.net> Subject: Re: Direction of the List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been looking for other descendants of John Lyons and Rebecca Gilchrist. This week I finally found a cousin ,another descendant of Alfred , first son of John and Rebecca. It was getting kind of lonely out here being the only member of the second family. Are there any others on the list now? Barbara L. ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 06:07:06 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7984-37CBB75A-35704@postoffice-221.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Direction of the List Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Barbara Where do you fit in on the Lyons side I really don't know too much on them except my personal family of Bennet Washington, the son of Emily Lyons Mabry , the daughter of Gabriel 1805 It does get to be a hassle Have you seen the Arledge material that we have on line? I wish you could have been at the reunion there were several McBrides there and one was the elder aunt of Mildren Morgan They are very nice We will do it again durig the first of June next year so try to plan for it Your name is on the address list Did you get an invitation ? Mildred gave me a copy of all the MbBride material Take care JOY JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 51 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Children of Michael Lyons [AKDana@aol.com] #2 Re: Children of Michael Lyons [Maude Ann Gilmore Subject: Re: Children of Michael Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aborn Lyons is listed in the Abbeville Meridional as Abram Lyons, who died October 7, 1898, at the residence of his daughter, Mrs. W.D. White. She died in 1918 and was listed as having been the daughter of Abram Lyons and Elizabeth Reeves, In the History of Vermilion Parish, it is stated that she, Lucinda Reeves Lyons, married Dr. W.D. White in 1862, and that she was the daughter of Aborn and Elizabeth Reeves Lyons. Abram Lyons , his obit stated, was 87 years old at the time of his death and had lived most of his life in Vermilion Parish. Ken Dupuy ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:20:04 -0500 From: Maude Ann Gilmore To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990831221802.0096bab0@mail.airmail.net> Subject: Re: Children of Michael Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Once again, Ken--thanks for the information! Maude Ann ________________ Maude Ann Gilmore mailto:mag42@airmail.net ________________ JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 52 Today's Topics: #1 My Lyons Connection ["Norman Holden" ] #7 Newest Member Update [VCundy@aol.com] #8 Re: My Lyons Connection ["Norman Holden" ] ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:48:27 -0500 From: "Norman Holden" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000701bef573$bfeee060$2197fea9@nrholden> Subject: My Lyons Connection Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello My name is Norman Ray Holden and this is how I connect to John Lyons. Samuel Lyons of Germany & agnes Judah John Lyons Sr. & Nancy Ahart John Lyons Jr. & Rebecca Gilcrest Alfred Lee Lyons & Sarah Jane Roberts-Moore Nancy Elizabeth Lyons & James Malden Holden John James Holden Sr. & Nona Elizabeth Jones ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:36:34 -0400 From: "Lyons, L. Neal x9016" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199909021942.MAA02870@bl-3.rootsweb.com> Subject: My JOHN_LYONS connection Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi, my name is L.Neal LYONS and this following is my connection to John LYONS and Nancy AHART. I am originally from Lake Charles, La, but have lived in Texas since 1965, and in Temple, TX since 1979. I'm including some key data as I have it for the Lyons males. I. John LYONS and Nancy AHART d. 1834 ( SL Succ. #676 ) II. Samuel LYONS and Tabitha HAYES Bt. 16JUN1804 @ age 10 years ( SM Church ) d. 1837 ( SL Succ. #815 ) @ Opelousas, LA m. 23DEC1811 ( SL Marriage #14 ) III. David A. LYONS and Louisa PERKINS b. 22JAN1817 @ Opelousas, LA ( Bible Record date ) d. 10APR1887 @ Edgerly, LA ( Bible Record date ) i. Bigwoods Cemetary, Edgerly, LA m. 20JAN1848 @ near Edgerly, LA ( Bible Record date ) 14 Children IV. Raymond C. LYONS and Dorease BROUSSARD b. 16APR1871 @ Edgerly, LA ( Bible Record date ) d. 19MAY1939 @ Sulphur, LA i. Bigwoods Cemetary, Edgerly, LA m1. 19JUN1892 V. Lucius L. LYONS and Helen Christina BARBEROUSSE b. 13DEC1895 @ Choupique, LA ( Bible Record date ) d. 19OCT1972 @ Lake Charles, LA i. Bigwoods Cemetary, Edgerly, LA m. 17JUL1930 @ Vinton, LA VI. Lucius Neal LYONS m. Kathryn Jane WHITE b. 14JUL1942 @ Lake Charles, LA I am tickled to join the group. I have limited time for working on family history, but really enjoy it. I hope to be able to contribute and well as benefit. What little searching I've done in the past on John LYONS and Nancy AHART has been mostly dead-ended, so it has been interesting to recently receive some info on John LYONS' father, Samuel LYONS ; ( received a copy which Jan Craven had given to my cousin Dalton Lyons in Lake Charles ) ; don't quite understand it yet, but I previously was beginning to think that John had hatched ! The majority of my LYONS efforts over a number of years has been in gathering descendents of David A. LYONS and Louisa PERKINS ; would like to share info with anyone interested in this particular line ; most of my efforts have been trips to the Courthouse when visiting Lake Charles, but nowadays, I seldom get to make the trip. ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:52:43 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2825e1d9.25002f8b@aol.com> Subject: Members of the list UPDATED 9/2/99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Still looking for the following members of the John Lyons mailing list. If your screen name appears below, please reply with your full name and location so we can update the list. Thanks for your help. Valerie matuvi Nunk761606 beanska pheonix574 rsirmon i675188 tia97 algravois aroarkne hmillion Members of the JOHNLYONS list are as follows: 1. Valerie Cundy- Topeka, KANSAS 2. Jan Craven-Lake Charles, LOUISIANA 3. Barbara Langham-Kilgore, TEXAS 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond -Tyler, TEXAS 8. LV Hayes-Fayetteville, NORTH CAROLINA 9. Rosemary Carraway- 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek- Houston, TEXAS 20. Joy Moore-Karnack,TEXAS 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin-Garden Grove, CALIFORNIA 23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) 24. Lesylee Gautreaux- Orange,TEXAS 25. Michael Bradford 26. Nelda Stebbins- Ragley, LOUISIANA 27. Shirely Smith 28. Mary Antee 29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) 30. Rand Wagner 31. Mike Baumann 32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) 33. Mary Dee Nicks-Phenix City, ALABAMA 34. Bryan Perkins 35. Shannon Shaw 36. Bill Hall-Beaumont,TEXAS 37 Susan Shanley 38. Michael Lyons 39. Stuart MacKillican-Orang,TEXAS 40. Maude Gilmore-Plano,TEXAS 41. Ken Dupuy 42. Anne Marie Galloway-Harvey,LOUISIANA 43. Richard D Culbertson 44. NORMAN RAY HOLDEN WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Still searching for descendants of Elizabeth! MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Tim Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin Maude Gilmore Richard D Culbertson JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane Shirley Smith Bill Hall Stuart Mackillican Norman Ray Holden GABRIEL Sharon Shaw Shannon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard Susan Shanley WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright Mary Dee Nicks Lesylee Gautreaux Anne Marie Galloway DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence Michael Bradford Mary Antee Jimmy Lawrence Rand Wagner Mike Baumann Riecke Baumann ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:39:30 -0500 From: "Norman Holden" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002601bef58b$ba0b13e0$2197fea9@nrholden> Subject: Re: Members of the list UPDATED 9/2/99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi There My name is Norman Ray Holden Sr. Address Rt. 1 Box 80 City Angleton, TX 77515-9223 Glad to join the bunch. I think that I am the only one from Alfred Lee's second family. I will be posting information on that line as I find the time. My problem is that I am working on many other lines of both myin & my wife's. We are working to gather as much of our ancestry so that our descendents will know more about where we came from. At this time I have over 15000 names in my data base. Glad to furnish info to anyone that is interested. Also solicit any info. that might be relevant. Thanks Norman -----Original Message----- From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 2:53 PM Subject: Members of the list UPDATED 9/2/99 >Still looking for the following members of the John Lyons mailing list. If >your screen name appears below, please reply with your full name and location >so we can update the list. Thanks for your help. Valerie > >matuvi >Nunk761606 >beanska >pheonix574 >rsirmon >i675188 >tia97 >algravois >aroarkne >hmillion > > > > >Members of the JOHNLYONS list are as follows: > >1. Valerie Cundy- Topeka, KANSAS >2. Jan Craven-Lake Charles, LOUISIANA >3. Barbara Langham-Kilgore, TEXAS >4. David Lawrence >5. Lynn Bagley King >6. Ben Carroll >7. Mary Hammond -Tyler, TEXAS >8. LV Hayes-Fayetteville, NORTH CAROLINA >9. Rosemary Carraway- >10.Mary Lane >11.Jeremy Fountain >12.Jennifer Anne Turner >13.Laura Wright >14.Wayne Linebarger >15.Robert Broussard >16 Betty Gaiennie >17 Tim Lyons >18 Jo-Anne Arnaud >19. Ruby Dusek- Houston, TEXAS >20. Joy Moore-Karnack,TEXAS >21. Harold Lawrence >22. Carol Austin-Garden Grove, CALIFORNIA >23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) >24. Lesylee Gautreaux- Orange,TEXAS >25. Michael Bradford >26. Nelda Stebbins- Ragley, LOUISIANA >27. Shirely Smith >28. Mary Antee >29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) >30. Rand Wagner >31. Mike Baumann >32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) >33. Mary Dee Nicks-Phenix City, ALABAMA >34. Bryan Perkins >35. Shannon Shaw >36. Bill Hall-Beaumont,TEXAS >37 Susan Shanley >38. Michael Lyons >39. Stuart MacKillican-Orang,TEXAS >40. Maude Gilmore-Plano,TEXAS >41. Ken Dupuy >42. Anne Marie Galloway-Harvey,LOUISIANA >43. Richard D Culbertson >44. NORMAN RAY HOLDEN > >WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We >currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Still >searching for descendants of Elizabeth! > > >MICHAEL > >Valerie Cundy >Jeremy Fountain >Wayne Linebarger >Tim Lyons >Ruby Dusek >Joy Moore >Carol Austin >Maude Gilmore >Richard D Culbertson > >JOHN JR. > >Ben Carroll >Mary Hammond >Rose Carraway >Barbara Langham >Laura Wright >Mary Lane >Shirley Smith >Bill Hall >Stuart Mackillican >Norman Ray Holden > >GABRIEL > >Sharon Shaw >Shannon Shaw > >ELIZABETH > >SAMUEL > >Jennifer Turner >Jo Anne Arnaud >Betty Gaiennie >Robert Broussard >Susan Shanley > >WILLIAM > >Jan Craven >Laura Wright >Mary Dee Nicks >Lesylee Gautreaux >Anne Marie Galloway > >DAVID > >David Lawrence >Lynn King >Harold Lawrence >Michael Bradford >Mary Antee >Jimmy Lawrence >Rand Wagner >Mike Baumann >Riecke Baumann > > > > > > > ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:22:38 EDT From: Matuvi@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: Members of the list UPDATED 9/2/99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi just checking in. I'm # 25 on the John Lyons list, Michael Bradford (matuvi@aol.com) Sweden(Harrison) Maine and Ocala, Florida ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:44:25 -0500 From: "Walter" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000601bef59d$178deb80$2b9186d0@tca.net> Subject: Re: My Lyons Connection Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yea Norman, You just came in on the Lyons Family list. Barbara ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:18:08 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Newest Member Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for those reponses........I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday weekend! Maybe next week we can get things rolling. With this many people you would think we'd have something to talk about! Valerie Members of the JOHNLYONS list as of September 2, 1999 are as follows: 1. Valerie Cundy- Topeka, KANSAS 2. Jan Craven-Lake Charles, LOUISIANA 3. Barbara Langham-Kilgore, TEXAS 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King 6. Ben Carroll 7. Mary Hammond -Tyler, TEXAS 8. LV Hayes-Fayetteville, NORTH CAROLINA 9. Rosemary Carraway- 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek- Houston, TEXAS 20. Joy Moore-Karnack,TEXAS 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin-Garden Grove, CALIFORNIA 23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) 24. Lesylee Gautreaux- Orange,TEXAS 25. Michael Bradford-Ocala,FLORIDA 26. Nelda Stebbins- Ragley, LOUISIANA 27. Shirely Smith 28. Mary Antee 29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) 30. Rand Wagner 31. Mike Baumann 32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) 33. Mary Dee Nicks-Phenix City, ALABAMA 34. Bryan Perkins 35. Shannon Shaw 36. Bill Hall-Beaumont,TEXAS 37 Susan Shanley 38. Michael Lyons 39. Stuart MacKillican-Orang,TEXAS 40. Maude Gilmore-Plano,TEXAS 41. Ken Dupuy 42. Anne Marie Galloway-Harvey,LOUISIANA 43. Richard D Culbertson 44. Norman Ray Holden-Angleston,TEXAS 45. L.NEAL LYONS-Temple,TEXAS 46. DAVID LYONS-Sulphur, LOUISIANA WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Still searching for descendants of Elizabeth! MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Tim Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin Maude Gilmore Richard D Culbertson JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane Shirley Smith Bill Hall Stuart Mackillican Norman Ray Holden GABRIEL Sharon Shaw Shannon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard Susan Shanley L. Neal Lyons WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright Mary Dee Nicks Lesylee Gautreaux Anne Marie Galloway David Lyons DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence Michael Bradford Mary Antee Jimmy Lawrence Rand Wagner Mike Baumann Riecke Baumann ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:38:01 -0500 From: "Norman Holden" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000c01bef5b5$6e9b26a0$ff7afea9@nrholden> Subject: Re: My Lyons Connection Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Barbara for all your help. I can't say how active I will be. I am gathering all the information that I can get on all of Billie's & my ancestors & recording all I can on the complete family lines. This is something I want to do for my children & their families. I have over 15000 names in my data base. So I move about in researching a number of families. To the others out there, if you would like a GEDCOM file which goes down to my great grand children, just let me know. Also if anyone cares to send me their GEDCOM file it will be appreciated. You can send it as an attachment to nrholden@beamans.com Norman -----Original Message----- From: Walter To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 6:48 PM Subject: Re: My Lyons Connection >Yea Norman, You just came in on the Lyons Family list. >Barbara > > ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:42:45 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <021a01bef5b6$030a1d00$cc4158d8@default> Subject: Re: Newest Member Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LYNN BAGLEY KING Houston, Texas -----Original Message----- From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 8:19 PM Subject: Newest Member Update >Thanks for those reponses........I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday >weekend! Maybe next week we can get things rolling. With this many people >you would think we'd have something to talk about! Valerie > >Members of the JOHNLYONS list as of September 2, 1999 are as follows: > >1. Valerie Cundy- Topeka, KANSAS >2. Jan Craven-Lake Charles, LOUISIANA >3. Barbara Langham-Kilgore, TEXAS >4. David Lawrence >5. Lynn Bagley King >6. Ben Carroll >7. Mary Hammond -Tyler, TEXAS >8. LV Hayes-Fayetteville, NORTH CAROLINA >9. Rosemary Carraway- >10.Mary Lane >11.Jeremy Fountain >12.Jennifer Anne Turner >13.Laura Wright >14.Wayne Linebarger >15.Robert Broussard >16 Betty Gaiennie >17 Tim Lyons >18 Jo-Anne Arnaud >19. Ruby Dusek- Houston, TEXAS >20. Joy Moore-Karnack,TEXAS >21. Harold Lawrence >22. Carol Austin-Garden Grove, CALIFORNIA >23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) >24. Lesylee Gautreaux- Orange,TEXAS >25. Michael Bradford-Ocala,FLORIDA >26. Nelda Stebbins- Ragley, LOUISIANA >27. Shirely Smith >28. Mary Antee >29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) >30. Rand Wagner >31. Mike Baumann >32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) >33. Mary Dee Nicks-Phenix City, ALABAMA >34. Bryan Perkins >35. Shannon Shaw >36. Bill Hall-Beaumont,TEXAS >37 Susan Shanley >38. Michael Lyons >39. Stuart MacKillican-Orang,TEXAS >40. Maude Gilmore-Plano,TEXAS >41. Ken Dupuy >42. Anne Marie Galloway-Harvey,LOUISIANA >43. Richard D Culbertson >44. Norman Ray Holden-Angleston,TEXAS >45. L.NEAL LYONS-Temple,TEXAS >46. DAVID LYONS-Sulphur, LOUISIANA > >WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We >currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Still >searching for descendants of Elizabeth! > > >MICHAEL > >Valerie Cundy >Jeremy Fountain >Wayne Linebarger >Tim Lyons >Ruby Dusek >Joy Moore >Carol Austin >Maude Gilmore >Richard D Culbertson > >JOHN JR. > >Ben Carroll >Mary Hammond >Rose Carraway >Barbara Langham >Laura Wright >Mary Lane >Shirley Smith >Bill Hall >Stuart Mackillican >Norman Ray Holden > >GABRIEL > >Sharon Shaw >Shannon Shaw > >ELIZABETH > >SAMUEL > >Jennifer Turner >Jo Anne Arnaud >Betty Gaiennie >Robert Broussard >Susan Shanley >L. Neal Lyons > >WILLIAM > >Jan Craven >Laura Wright >Mary Dee Nicks >Lesylee Gautreaux >Anne Marie Galloway >David Lyons > >DAVID > >David Lawrence >Lynn King >Harold Lawrence >Michael Bradford >Mary Antee >Jimmy Lawrence >Rand Wagner >Mike Baumann >Riecke Baumann > > > > ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:46:37 -0500 From: "David Swanson" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199909030252.VAA08135@bunyip.flash.net> Subject: Re: Newest Member Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rosemary Carraway - Houston, TEXAS ---------- > From: VCundy@aol.com > To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Newest Member Update > Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 8:18 PM > > Thanks for those reponses........I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday > weekend! Maybe next week we can get things rolling. With this many people > you would think we'd have something to talk about! Valerie > > Members of the JOHNLYONS list as of September 2, 1999 are as follows: > > 1. Valerie Cundy- Topeka, KANSAS > 2. Jan Craven-Lake Charles, LOUISIANA > 3. Barbara Langham-Kilgore, TEXAS > 4. David Lawrence > 5. Lynn Bagley King > 6. Ben Carroll > 7. Mary Hammond -Tyler, TEXAS > 8. LV Hayes-Fayetteville, NORTH CAROLINA > 9. Rosemary Carraway- > 10.Mary Lane > 11.Jeremy Fountain > 12.Jennifer Anne Turner > 13.Laura Wright > 14.Wayne Linebarger > 15.Robert Broussard > 16 Betty Gaiennie > 17 Tim Lyons > 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud > 19. Ruby Dusek- Houston, TEXAS > 20. Joy Moore-Karnack,TEXAS > 21. Harold Lawrence > 22. Carol Austin-Garden Grove, CALIFORNIA > 23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) > 24. Lesylee Gautreaux- Orange,TEXAS > 25. Michael Bradford-Ocala,FLORIDA > 26. Nelda Stebbins- Ragley, LOUISIANA > 27. Shirely Smith > 28. Mary Antee > 29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) > 30. Rand Wagner > 31. Mike Baumann > 32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) > 33. Mary Dee Nicks-Phenix City, ALABAMA > 34. Bryan Perkins > 35. Shannon Shaw > 36. Bill Hall-Beaumont,TEXAS > 37 Susan Shanley > 38. Michael Lyons > 39. Stuart MacKillican-Orang,TEXAS > 40. Maude Gilmore-Plano,TEXAS > 41. Ken Dupuy > 42. Anne Marie Galloway-Harvey,LOUISIANA > 43. Richard D Culbertson > 44. Norman Ray Holden-Angleston,TEXAS > 45. L.NEAL LYONS-Temple,TEXAS > 46. DAVID LYONS-Sulphur, LOUISIANA > > WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We > currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Still > searching for descendants of Elizabeth! > > > MICHAEL > > Valerie Cundy > Jeremy Fountain > Wayne Linebarger > Tim Lyons > Ruby Dusek > Joy Moore > Carol Austin > Maude Gilmore > Richard D Culbertson > > JOHN JR. > > Ben Carroll > Mary Hammond > Rose Carraway > Barbara Langham > Laura Wright > Mary Lane > Shirley Smith > Bill Hall > Stuart Mackillican > Norman Ray Holden > > GABRIEL > > Sharon Shaw > Shannon Shaw > > ELIZABETH > > SAMUEL > > Jennifer Turner > Jo Anne Arnaud > Betty Gaiennie > Robert Broussard > Susan Shanley > L. Neal Lyons > > WILLIAM > > Jan Craven > Laura Wright > Mary Dee Nicks > Lesylee Gautreaux > Anne Marie Galloway > David Lyons > > DAVID > > David Lawrence > Lynn King > Harold Lawrence > Michael Bradford > Mary Antee > Jimmy Lawrence > Rand Wagner > Mike Baumann > Riecke Baumann > > > > ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:26:18 -0500 From: "Ben Carroll" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001b01bef5bc$177a4b60$bf8f0f3f@default> Subject: Location Ben Carroll - Pasadena, TX ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:04:48 -0500 From: "Walter" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <002401bef5c1$78c62f60$979086d0@tca.net> Subject: Re: Members of the list UPDATED 9/2/99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I didn't mean for my message to Norman to go to the list. My great grandmother Rebecca Jane Lyons Gilchrist and Norman's Nancy Elizabeth Lyons were half sisters. This is my line from 1.John and Nancy Ahart 2.John Lyons and Rebecca Gilchrist 3.Alfred Lee Lyons and Sarah Jane Cooper (Alfred's first wife was named Sarah Jane just like his second wife.) 4.Rebecca Jane Lyons and Stephen Gilchrist ( This Stephen is the grand son of Rebecca Gilchrist's brother Anthony John Gilchrist) Stephen Gilchrist and his wife were second cousins. 5.George Allen Gilchrist and Maud Simmons. 6.Allen Gilchrist and Louise Bonner. 7.Barbara Gilchrist Langham JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 53 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Members of the list UPDATED 9/ [richard sirmon ] #4 Re: Ellen Lyons [ChezMary@aol.com] #5 Re: Members of the list UPDATED 9/ [RCulbe6428@aol.com] #6 Re: Members of the list UPDATED 9/ ["Lynn & Bill King" ] ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 07:49:58 -0500 From: richard sirmon To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <37CFC3F6.F35AC361@vrml.k12.la.us> Subject: Re: Members of the list UPDATED 9/2/99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valerie, My address is: Richard Sirmon Gueydan, La. e-mail at : sirmon@kaplantel.net I am descended from David A Lyons> Ella Lyons>Sibyl Carruthers Richard VCundy@aol.com wrote: > Still looking for the following members of the John Lyons mailing list. If > your screen name appears below, please reply with your full name and location > so we can update the list. Thanks for your help. Valerie > > matuvi > Nunk761606 > beanska > pheonix574 > rsirmon > i675188 > tia97 > algravois > aroarkne > hmillion > > Members of the JOHNLYONS list are as follows: > > 1. Valerie Cundy- Topeka, KANSAS > 2. Jan Craven-Lake Charles, LOUISIANA > 3. Barbara Langham-Kilgore, TEXAS > 4. David Lawrence > 5. Lynn Bagley King > 6. Ben Carroll > 7. Mary Hammond -Tyler, TEXAS > 8. LV Hayes-Fayetteville, NORTH CAROLINA > 9. Rosemary Carraway- > 10.Mary Lane > 11.Jeremy Fountain > 12.Jennifer Anne Turner > 13.Laura Wright > 14.Wayne Linebarger > 15.Robert Broussard > 16 Betty Gaiennie > 17 Tim Lyons > 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud > 19. Ruby Dusek- Houston, TEXAS > 20. Joy Moore-Karnack,TEXAS > 21. Harold Lawrence > 22. Carol Austin-Garden Grove, CALIFORNIA > 23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) > 24. Lesylee Gautreaux- Orange,TEXAS > 25. Michael Bradford > 26. Nelda Stebbins- Ragley, LOUISIANA > 27. Shirely Smith > 28. Mary Antee > 29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) > 30. Rand Wagner > 31. Mike Baumann > 32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) > 33. Mary Dee Nicks-Phenix City, ALABAMA > 34. Bryan Perkins > 35. Shannon Shaw > 36. Bill Hall-Beaumont,TEXAS > 37 Susan Shanley > 38. Michael Lyons > 39. Stuart MacKillican-Orang,TEXAS > 40. Maude Gilmore-Plano,TEXAS > 41. Ken Dupuy > 42. Anne Marie Galloway-Harvey,LOUISIANA > 43. Richard D Culbertson > 44. NORMAN RAY HOLDEN > > WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We > currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Still > searching for descendants of Elizabeth! > > MICHAEL > > Valerie Cundy > Jeremy Fountain > Wayne Linebarger > Tim Lyons > Ruby Dusek > Joy Moore > Carol Austin > Maude Gilmore > Richard D Culbertson > > JOHN JR. > > Ben Carroll > Mary Hammond > Rose Carraway > Barbara Langham > Laura Wright > Mary Lane > Shirley Smith > Bill Hall > Stuart Mackillican > Norman Ray Holden > > GABRIEL > > Sharon Shaw > Shannon Shaw > > ELIZABETH > > SAMUEL > > Jennifer Turner > Jo Anne Arnaud > Betty Gaiennie > Robert Broussard > Susan Shanley > > WILLIAM > > Jan Craven > Laura Wright > Mary Dee Nicks > Lesylee Gautreaux > Anne Marie Galloway > > DAVID > > David Lawrence > Lynn King > Harold Lawrence > Michael Bradford > Mary Antee > Jimmy Lawrence > Rand Wagner > Mike Baumann > Riecke Baumann > ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:12:13 -0500 From: "Shirley Smith" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <003801bef60e$01926920$ac38bfcf@default> Subject: Re: Members of the list UPDATED 9/2/99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Valerie: Shirley Smith, Lake Charles, LA -----Original Message----- From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:07 PM Subject: Members of the list UPDATED 9/2/99 >Still looking for the following members of the John Lyons mailing list. If >your screen name appears below, please reply with your full name and location >so we can update the list. Thanks for your help. Valerie > >matuvi >Nunk761606 >beanska >pheonix574 >rsirmon >i675188 >tia97 >algravois >aroarkne >hmillion > > > > >Members of the JOHNLYONS list are as follows: > >1. Valerie Cundy- Topeka, KANSAS >2. Jan Craven-Lake Charles, LOUISIANA >3. Barbara Langham-Kilgore, TEXAS >4. David Lawrence >5. Lynn Bagley King >6. Ben Carroll >7. Mary Hammond -Tyler, TEXAS >8. LV Hayes-Fayetteville, NORTH CAROLINA >9. Rosemary Carraway- >10.Mary Lane >11.Jeremy Fountain >12.Jennifer Anne Turner >13.Laura Wright >14.Wayne Linebarger >15.Robert Broussard >16 Betty Gaiennie >17 Tim Lyons >18 Jo-Anne Arnaud >19. Ruby Dusek- Houston, TEXAS >20. Joy Moore-Karnack,TEXAS >21. Harold Lawrence >22. Carol Austin-Garden Grove, CALIFORNIA >23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) >24. Lesylee Gautreaux- Orange,TEXAS >25. Michael Bradford >26. Nelda Stebbins- Ragley, LOUISIANA >27. Shirely Smith >28. Mary Antee >29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) >30. Rand Wagner >31. Mike Baumann >32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) >33. Mary Dee Nicks-Phenix City, ALABAMA >34. Bryan Perkins >35. Shannon Shaw >36. Bill Hall-Beaumont,TEXAS >37 Susan Shanley >38. Michael Lyons >39. Stuart MacKillican-Orang,TEXAS >40. Maude Gilmore-Plano,TEXAS >41. Ken Dupuy >42. Anne Marie Galloway-Harvey,LOUISIANA >43. Richard D Culbertson >44. NORMAN RAY HOLDEN > >WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We >currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Still >searching for descendants of Elizabeth! > > >MICHAEL > >Valerie Cundy >Jeremy Fountain >Wayne Linebarger >Tim Lyons >Ruby Dusek >Joy Moore >Carol Austin >Maude Gilmore >Richard D Culbertson > >JOHN JR. > >Ben Carroll >Mary Hammond >Rose Carraway >Barbara Langham >Laura Wright >Mary Lane >Shirley Smith >Bill Hall >Stuart Mackillican >Norman Ray Holden > >GABRIEL > >Sharon Shaw >Shannon Shaw > >ELIZABETH > >SAMUEL > >Jennifer Turner >Jo Anne Arnaud >Betty Gaiennie >Robert Broussard >Susan Shanley > >WILLIAM > >Jan Craven >Laura Wright >Mary Dee Nicks >Lesylee Gautreaux >Anne Marie Galloway > >DAVID > >David Lawrence >Lynn King >Harold Lawrence >Michael Bradford >Mary Antee >Jimmy Lawrence >Rand Wagner >Mike Baumann >Riecke Baumann > > > > > > > ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:19:56 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990903081956.007332d8@mail.usunwired.net> Subject: Ellen Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Good Morning all! I just found something in the 1870 Calc. census that I had never noticed! HOW many times do you have to stare at something before it sinks in or registers????? Ellen Lyons was d/o William Lyons and Hetty Hayes. She m. 1. Claiborne Andrus and had my grgrgramma, Margaret. Claiborne died/disappeared after the 1860 census. I have looked for her in the 1870 census and never could find her. Well, I am working on the index to the census images for 1870 and came to the hh of Allen Perkins h/o Margaret, Ellen's daughter. I knew that she remarried J. T Hewett, but he is in the 1870 with his 1st wife, so I knew that they had to marry AFTER that. I finally stumbled on to her obit after years of searching not knowing that she had remarried and that told me who her (I thought) second husband was. Well, in the hh of A J Perkins there is an Ellen Bennett who is 54...the age Ellen Lyons would be in 1870. NOW, I guess I have to start looking for Mr. Bennett to see if this is indeed Ellen Lyons. I am extracting genealogical info from the Echo for our gen. soc quarterly so maybe I'll run across an obit for him! The search goes on! Be careful this weekend. Autos are not the only thing that can be recalled by their maker. Jan in nice and cloudy Lake Charles. ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:18:37 EDT From: ChezMary@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jan, I know that when you get all these folks together you are gonna share with me, huh? Just like that pint of figs and mayhaw jelly!!!!!! luv ya maydee ps. do you remember where we were a year ago yesterday? ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:43:29 EDT From: RCulbe6428@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <48304af0.250146a1@aol.com> Subject: Re: Members of the list UPDATED 9/2/99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard D. Culbertson is in Fort Worth, Texas ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:45:17 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <003101bef623$55f720e0$081adfd1@default> Subject: Re: Members of the list UPDATED 9/2/99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rand Wagner lives in Lake Charles, LA. ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:36:11 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <87826e9e.250152fb@aol.com> Subject: Member Update 9/3/99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks again for those reponses......Please be sure and drop me a note if I overlook your posts or don't place your information correctly. Valerie Members of the JOHNLYONS list as of September 3, 1999 are as follows: 1. Valerie Cundy- Topeka, KANSAS 2. Jan Craven-Lake Charles, LOUISIANA 3. Barbara Langham-Kilgore, TEXAS 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King-Houston,TEXAS 6. Ben Carroll-Pasadena,TEXAS 7. Mary Hammond -Tyler, TEXAS 8. LV Hayes-Fayetteville, NORTH CAROLINA 9. Rosemary Carraway-Houston,TEXAS 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek- Houston, TEXAS 20. Joy Moore-Karnack,TEXAS 21. Harold Lawrence 22. Carol Austin-Garden Grove, CALIFORNIA 23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) 24. Lesylee Gautreaux- Orange,TEXAS 25. Michael Bradford-Ocala,FLORIDA 26. Nelda Stebbins- Ragley, LOUISIANA 27. Shirely Smith-Lkae Charles,LOUISIANA 28. Mary Antee 29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) 30. Rand Wagner-(Inactive)Lake Charles,LOUISIANA 31. Mike Baumann 32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) 33. Mary Dee Nicks-Phenix City, ALABAMA 34. Bryan Perkins 35. Shannon Shaw 36. Bill Hall-Beaumont,TEXAS 37 Susan Shanley 38. Michael Lyons 39. Stuart MacKillican-Orang,TEXAS 40. Maude Gilmore-Plano,TEXAS 41. Ken Dupuy 42. Anne Marie Galloway-Harvey,LOUISIANA 43. Richard D Culbertson-Fort Worth,TEXAS 44. Norman Ray Holden-Angleston,TEXAS 45. L. Neal Lyons-Temple,TEXAS 46. David Lyons-Sulphur, LOUISIANA 47. RICHARD SIRMON-Gueydan,LOUISIANA WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Still searching for descendants of Elizabeth! MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Tim Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin Maude Gilmore Richard D Culbertson JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane Shirley Smith Bill Hall Stuart Mackillican Norman Ray Holden GABRIEL Sharon Shaw Shannon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard Susan Shanley L. Neal Lyons WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright Mary Dee Nicks Lesylee Gautreaux Anne Marie Galloway David Lyons DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence Michael Bradford Mary Antee Jimmy Lawrence Rand Wagner Mike Baumann Riecke Baumann Richard Sirmon ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:44:00 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00b301bef62b$889befa0$081adfd1@default> Subject: Re: Member Update 9/3/99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harold Lawrence E-mail Address(es): lawrence@datasync.com haroldlawrence@yahoo.com haroldlawrence@iname.com harold_lawrence@hotmail.com Address: 3223 Cumberland Road Ocean Springs MISSISSIPPI 39564 Phone: 228-875-6082 ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:17:44 -0500 (CDT) From: joydm@webtv.net (Joy Moore) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <6380-37D02CE8-10913@postoffice-223.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: The Mayflower Web Pages Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-27863-6209 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi All, I just ran across these pages and thought they were so fascinating that I wanted to share them with all These must have been very courageous people JOY --WebTV-Mail-27863-6209 X-URL-Title: The Mayflower Web Pages Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit http://members.aol.com/calebj/mayflower.html --WebTV-Mail-27863-6209-- ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:17:45 -0500 From: "Lynn & Bill King" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <007501bef65a$28dfd5c0$f30c76d8@default> Subject: Re: Member Update 9/3/99 and Abbeville Old Masonic Cemetery Dedication. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken Dupuy Vermilion Parish Historian of Maurice LA E-mail Address: akdana@aol.com Note: Ken is not a descendant of the Lyons family. However, he is a writer and the 'historian' for Vermilion Parish and his interest in the Lyons family is a result of his diligent work on researching burials in several of Vermilion's old cemeteries over the years. In fact, there will be a special Dedication of the "Old Masonic Cemetery" in Abbeville on Saturday, October 23, 1999 from 10 AM to Noon. Music, dedication ceremony and a light lunch. Our good friend, Ken Dupuy, has played a major role in researching early burials at this old cemetery. A Memorial Plaque with names of those interred there (without gravestones) will also be a special feature of the dedication ceremony. More Questions? Contact the Old Masonic Cemetery Committee or the Abbeville Chamber of Commerce at (318) 893-2491. Bill King, Husband of LYNN BAGLEY KING A Descendant of the BAGLEY, LYONS, FLEMING, PETRY, BERWICK families of Vermilion Parish. -----Original Message----- From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:37 AM Subject: Member Update 9/3/99 >Thanks again for those reponses......Please be sure and drop me a note if I >overlook your posts or don't place your information correctly. Valerie > >Members of the JOHNLYONS list as of September 3, 1999 are as follows: > >1. Valerie Cundy- Topeka, KANSAS >2. Jan Craven-Lake Charles, LOUISIANA >3. Barbara Langham-Kilgore, TEXAS >4. David Lawrence >5. Lynn Bagley King-Houston,TEXAS >6. Ben Carroll-Pasadena,TEXAS >7. Mary Hammond -Tyler, TEXAS >8. LV Hayes-Fayetteville, NORTH CAROLINA >9. Rosemary Carraway-Houston,TEXAS >10.Mary Lane >11.Jeremy Fountain >12.Jennifer Anne Turner >13.Laura Wright >14.Wayne Linebarger >15.Robert Broussard >16 Betty Gaiennie >17 Tim Lyons >18 Jo-Anne Arnaud >19. Ruby Dusek- Houston, TEXAS >20. Joy Moore-Karnack,TEXAS >21. Harold Lawrence >22. Carol Austin-Garden Grove, CALIFORNIA >23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) >24. Lesylee Gautreaux- Orange,TEXAS >25. Michael Bradford-Ocala,FLORIDA >26. Nelda Stebbins- Ragley, LOUISIANA >27. Shirely Smith-Lkae Charles,LOUISIANA >28. Mary Antee >29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) >30. Rand Wagner-(Inactive)Lake Charles,LOUISIANA >31. Mike Baumann >32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) >33. Mary Dee Nicks-Phenix City, ALABAMA >34. Bryan Perkins >35. Shannon Shaw >36. Bill Hall-Beaumont,TEXAS >37 Susan Shanley >38. Michael Lyons >39. Stuart MacKillican-Orang,TEXAS >40. Maude Gilmore-Plano,TEXAS >41. Ken Dupuy (Vermilion Historian...... lives in Maurice, LA.) >42. Anne Marie Galloway-Harvey,LOUISIANA >43. Richard D Culbertson-Fort Worth,TEXAS >44. Norman Ray Holden-Angleston,TEXAS >45. L. Neal Lyons-Temple,TEXAS >46. David Lyons-Sulphur, LOUISIANA >47. RICHARD SIRMON-Gueydan,LOUISIANA > >WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We >currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Still >searching for descendants of Elizabeth! > > >MICHAEL > >Valerie Cundy >Jeremy Fountain >Wayne Linebarger >Tim Lyons >Ruby Dusek >Joy Moore >Carol Austin >Maude Gilmore >Richard D Culbertson > >JOHN JR. > >Ben Carroll >Mary Hammond >Rose Carraway >Barbara Langham >Laura Wright >Mary Lane >Shirley Smith >Bill Hall >Stuart Mackillican >Norman Ray Holden > >GABRIEL > >Sharon Shaw >Shannon Shaw > >ELIZABETH > >SAMUEL > >Jennifer Turner >Jo Anne Arnaud >Betty Gaiennie >Robert Broussard >Susan Shanley >L. Neal Lyons > >WILLIAM > >Jan Craven >Laura Wright >Mary Dee Nicks >Lesylee Gautreaux >Anne Marie Galloway >David Lyons > >DAVID > >David Lawrence >Lynn King >Harold Lawrence >Michael Bradford >Mary Antee >Jimmy Lawrence >Rand Wagner >Mike Baumann >Riecke Baumann >Richard Sirmon > > > > ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:28:43 -0500 From: "Ruby Dusek" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001301bef664$28b3ff40$f918dfd1@rdusek> Subject: Small correction to Members Update from Val Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Officially Ruby Dusek now lives in Katy, Tx, not Houston. It's close enough that we thought the address would be Houston and were surprised to find it is Katy! JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 54 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Ellen Lyons [LV Hayes ] ______________________________X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:35:20 -0400 From: LV Hayes To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990904063520.00809d80@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:19:56 -0600 >From: Jan Craven > >I just found something in the 1870 Calc. census that I had never >noticed! HOW many times do you have to stare at something before >it sinks in or registers????? > >Ellen Lyons was d/o William Lyons and Hetty Hayes. She m. 1. Claiborne >Andrus and had my grgrgramma, Margaret. Claiborne died/disappeared >after the 1860 census. I have looked for her in the 1870 census and >never could find her. Well, I am working on the index to the census >images for 1870 and came to the hh of Allen Perkins h/o Margaret, >Ellen's daughter. I knew that she remarried J. T Hewett, but he is >in the 1870 with his 1st wife, so I knew that they had to marry AFTER >that. I finally stumbled on to her obit after years of searching not >knowing that she had remarried and that told me who her (I thought) >second husband was. Well, in the hh of A J Perkins there is an Ellen >Bennett who is 54...the age Ellen Lyons would be in 1870. That's using your noggin, cuz. Good show! Many of our "missing" people, i.e. those we can't find, are there on the censuses and cem listings. They're just disguised in some way. In the case of females, it's usually because they're listed with an unexpected surname reflecting a marriage we didn't know about. Just the situation at hand. In the case of males, it's often because they're listed under a nickname we didn't know about and can't easily connect to their real name. LV ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:22:14 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990904062214.007572c8@mail.usunwired.net> Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:35 AM 9/4/1999 -0400, you wrote: LV Wrote: >That's using your noggin, cuz. Good show! > >Many of our "missing" people, i.e. those we can't find, are there on the >censuses and cem listings. They're just disguised in some way. Yes they are. In the 1850 census, Rees W. Perkins is in there as Rip Perkins. I know it's him b/c of the rest of the family... BUT, MY ancestor, Allen J Perkins is listed as ELLEN 14 f. Now, this is strange. He MUST have had a sex change sometime betw. 1850 and 1860. We all think that med technology wasn't what it is today, but it must have been pretty goog cause he has kids in the 1860 census!! Truly amazing! Now, I know that this is Allen cause they didn't have any chidren older than Allen/Ellen. Yes, I know that it's possible that this isn't their child at all but a neice or nephew, but I KNOW that Allen is in Calc. pr and he is no where else in the census and besides this explaination is MUCH more fun! If you want to go see Ellen before the sex change, go to http://www.usgwarchives.net/la/calcasieu/census/1850/0376a.gif That is the image that she/he is on. Have a safe weekend. Jan > >In the case of females, it's usually because they're listed with an >unexpected surname reflecting a marriage we didn't know about. Just the >situation at hand. In the case of males, it's often because they're listed >under a nickname we didn't know about and can't easily connect to their >real name. > >LV > > > JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 55 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Ellen Lyons [LV Hayes To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990905071632.0081a210@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:22:14 -0600 >From: Jan Craven > >In the 1850 census, Rees W. Perkins is in there as Rip Perkins. I know >it's him b/c of the rest of the family... BUT, MY ancestor, Allen J >Perkins is listed as ELLEN 14 f. Now, this is strange. He MUST have >had a sex change sometime betw. 1850 and 1860. We all think that med >technology wasn't what it is today, but it must have been pretty goog >cause he has kids in the 1860 census!! Truly amazing! Maybe it was one of those old home remedies concocted of overripe fish oil and 190-proof swamp lightning that did it . That stuff could change a person's whole outlook on life. The situation you describe occurs often in the censuses, actually. It's difficult in my experience to make the right guess. Some times, Ellen is Allen, wrong sex or not, as in your example. Other times, Allen and Ellen co-existed; Allen just got left off the census for some reason. Another little Lyons mystery: On the 1880 census, Charles Helton had wife Pauner and 2 step-daughters, Martha J. Lyons, age 7, and Lila Lyons, age 5, in his household. The transcriber (Seymour) put question marks after Helton and Pauner. Who could the daddy of those little girls have been? I can't find any of the folks in this household on the cem listings, and 1880 is the latest census I have on hand. Helton is not on earlier censuses. For those of you with an interest in the Hayes family associated with the Lyonses, I've discovered another early Hayes who does not seem to be accounted for in the usual Hayes genealogies. Sarah Elizabeth Hayes appears on the 1870 Cameron census with husband James Hale and on the 1880 Calcasieu census living with her son-in-law Isaac Stansbury in Lake Charles. Another son-in-law, Samuel Jenks, was living next door. James and Sarah are buried in the McCall Cemetery at Grand Chenier. None of those sources identify Sarah as a Hayes, but the LDS site has a file on James Hale which does identify her maiden name. Unfortunately, the names of her parents are not given. Sarah's census data indicates that she was born in 1805 in LA to a father born in VA and a mother born in LA. That VA location suggests that her father was one of the sons of the William Hayes who came from VA to St Landry Parish in the late 1700s. But none of his sons are known to have had a wife who was born in LA. The identity of Sarah's parents remains thus to be discovered. LV JOHNLYONS-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 56 Today's Topics: #1 Daniel Lyons [VCundy@aol.com] #2 Children of John and Nancy [VCundy@aol.com] #3 Re: Ellen Lyons ["Shirley Smith" ] #6 Re: Ellen Lyons [Jan Craven ] #7 John Lyons web page [FFWP26A@prodigy.com (MRS JO ANNE P] #8 Members List Update [VCundy@aol.com] #9 Elizabeth/Ellen ????? [VCundy@aol.com] #10 Re: Elizabeth/Ellen ????? ["cajunk" ] #11 Re: Ellen Lyons ["CR_AUSTIN" Subject: Daniel Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone has info on the date and place of Daniel Lyons' death please let me know. He was last sighted on the 1900 census and just disappeared from Acadia Parish, La. He was the son of Gabriel Lyons and Nancy Burleigh and grandson of John. Thanks Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:02:41 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8b8596d1.25069f31@aol.com> Subject: Children of John and Nancy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are a few responses I received from an earlier post. The following sources generously provided by Rosemary Fritz. Michael Lyons, b. abt. 1778 SOURCE: American State Papers, Public Land Claims, 3-138, In 1800 deposition Michael Lyons is said to be over 21 . St Landry Parish Papers (LDS 1412669) 14 Nov 1812, In the claim of Michael Lyons (#682) Bosman Hayes, aged 57, swears that he is well acquainted with the claimant and with the land claimed. That the land is situated on the south side of the left bank of Bayou Que Tortue in the county of Attakapas at a very noted crossing place and includes an ancient Indian village of the Attakapas tribe and is understood to be within a large tract purchased by John Lyon, father of the claimant, from the sd Attakapas Indians. That Michael Lyon, a man of about 35 years of age, having a wife and five children now resides on the place where the village formerly stood and has inhabited and cultivated the same from the year 1801 to present. Either claimant or his father, John Lyon, had pens for their cattle on the land claimed in the month of Sept. 1800. This the deponent recollects perfectly on account of the public sales of the estate of Mr. Wills in the same month and year. The deponent furtheer saith that Michael Lyon was married to the daughter of this deponenet in Oct 1800 and in the spring following removed to the land in question. * * * * * John Jr. died 27 May 1852 Robert's Cove, St. Landry Parish SOURCE: CENSUS: 1850 St. Landry, pg. 108, John Lyons 70, b. Georgia OPELOUSAS COURIER, JUNE 11, 1853: Samuel Lyons & John Lyons Jr. of Calcasieu parish filed petition for appointment of co-admin. of estate of late John Lyons Sr. of St. Landry Parish. OPELOUSAS COURIER, JUNE 25, 1853: Public sale, estate of John Lyons Sr. on his plantation and late residence in Roberts Cove, St. Landry Parish. * * * * * Gabriel Lyons, married Amelie Hayes, 1806 Grand Coteau SOURCE: 2 Jan 1821, Gabriel Lyons, son of John Lyons & Nancy Eckart, age about 35 years, born in Pensacola, widow of Mely Hays, residing in Plaquemine Brulee, and Nancy Burleigh, daughter of Robert Burleigh Sr. & Elizabeth Miller, age about 28 years, born in New Orleans, married at Church of St. Charles, Grand Coteau, La., s/Robt Burleigh, (x) widow of Richard Slaughter GC v. 1, p 6 (NOTE widow of Mely Hays) * * * * * David Lyons, married Margaret Rebecca Merriman, 14 July 1822 SOURCE: David Lyons (major son of John Lyons and Nancy...) a protestant of his parish and native of the Mermentau river, m at the parish rectory on 16 July 1822 to Rebecca Merriman (minor daughter of John & Mary Berwick )protestant. SM Ch Folio F.H H 2B * * * * * Elizabeth Lyons, died 22 August 1855 SOURCE: PLAQUEMINE BRULEE, PARISH OF ST. LANDRY,SATURDAY, SEP 1, 1855 Letter from Mary E.F. Hayes to her sister, reporting the death of Thomas Hayes and his wife and daughter. ......their has been three more deaths in our neighborhood since we have written, Thomas Hayes, his wife and youngest daughter. Their daughter died a Tuesday morning and her mother the next Wednesday and himself the next Friday week that is to say he is a lying corpse now. Still looking sources on the following: William Lyons.......death and married to 3rd wife Elizabeth Cole Gabriel Lyons........marriage to Amelie Hayes sources on the date of abt. 1806 Thanks for your help. Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:28:09 -0500 From: "Shirley Smith" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <008201bef990$3eb4dd80$2437bfcf@default> Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an Elizabeth Hayes in my family, and can't seem to find any info on these folks at all. Elizabeth was married to Gabriel Robertson and they lived in St. Landry Parish but where in St. L. I don't know. They had a son, Gabriel, who served in the War Between the States, and resided in Big Woods. Gabriel (Jr.)'s sister, Fannie, married an Andrus per Fr. Hebert's books and that's ALL I know about Elizabeth Hayes and the Senior Gabriel Robertson. I wonder, of course, if this is the same Hayes family. I've gotten so involved in my Texas lines I have been neglecting my LA. ancestors, but I truly can't seem to get very far. G. Rob., Jr. was born 1828, no idea when or where G.R., Sr. or Elizabeth "Bessie" Hayes were born. Shirley -----Original Message----- From: LV Hayes To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, September 05, 1999 6:29 AM Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons >>Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:22:14 -0600 >>From: Jan Craven >> >>In the 1850 census, Rees W. Perkins is in there as Rip Perkins. I know >>it's him b/c of the rest of the family... BUT, MY ancestor, Allen J >>Perkins is listed as ELLEN 14 f. Now, this is strange. He MUST have >>had a sex change sometime betw. 1850 and 1860. We all think that med >>technology wasn't what it is today, but it must have been pretty goog >>cause he has kids in the 1860 census!! Truly amazing! > >Maybe it was one of those old home remedies concocted of overripe fish oil >and 190-proof swamp lightning that did it . That stuff could change >a person's whole outlook on life. > >The situation you describe occurs often in the censuses, actually. It's >difficult in my experience to make the right guess. Some times, Ellen is >Allen, wrong sex or not, as in your example. Other times, Allen and Ellen >co-existed; Allen just got left off the census for some reason. > >Another little Lyons mystery: > >On the 1880 census, Charles Helton had wife Pauner and 2 step-daughters, >Martha J. Lyons, age 7, and Lila Lyons, age 5, in his household. The >transcriber (Seymour) put question marks after Helton and Pauner. Who >could the daddy of those little girls have been? I can't find any of the >folks in this household on the cem listings, and 1880 is the latest census >I have on hand. Helton is not on earlier censuses. > >For those of you with an interest in the Hayes family associated with the >Lyonses, I've discovered another early Hayes who does not seem to be >accounted for in the usual Hayes genealogies. > >Sarah Elizabeth Hayes appears on the 1870 Cameron census with husband James >Hale and on the 1880 Calcasieu census living with her son-in-law Isaac >Stansbury in Lake Charles. Another son-in-law, Samuel Jenks, was living >next door. James and Sarah are buried in the McCall Cemetery at Grand >Chenier. > >None of those sources identify Sarah as a Hayes, but the LDS site has a >file on James Hale which does identify her maiden name. Unfortunately, the >names of her parents are not given. > >Sarah's census data indicates that she was born in 1805 in LA to a father >born in VA and a mother born in LA. That VA location suggests that her >father was one of the sons of the William Hayes who came from VA to St >Landry Parish in the late 1700s. But none of his sons are known to have >had a wife who was born in LA. The identity of Sarah's parents remains >thus to be discovered. > >LV > > ______________________________X-Message: #4 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:29:17 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8c36958d.250707dd@aol.com> Subject: John Lyons web page Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is for all you newcomers out there, we have a John Lyons web site, hosted by one of our members....David Lawrence. This is a great place to see what we've done on the list previously and view all the messages posted since 1998. The address to the web site is: http://members.home.net/davidl2/geneal/files/lyons_main.htm Once there, scroll down to the bottom of the screen and click on John Lyons Study Group Archived messages. There is good information there if you have the time to search for it. Hope this helps. Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #5 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 20:03:25 -0400 From: "cajunk" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000801ca3017$cbbb20e0$f14e58d8@default> Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons Shirley, In my data base I have a Gabriel Robertson b. March 17, 1828 Alabama; died Dec. 5, 1918; buried at Big Woods Cemetery. He married Ellen P. b. June 28, 1935 Texas; d. Feb 1, 1922; buried at Big Woods Cemetery. I have a marriage date for them of ca 1854. I also have there children if you need them. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Smith To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons > I have an Elizabeth Hayes in my family, and can't seem to find any info on > these folks at all. Elizabeth was married to Gabriel Robertson and they > lived in St. Landry Parish but where in St. L. I don't know. They had a > son, Gabriel, who served in the War Between the States, and resided in Big > Woods. Gabriel (Jr.)'s sister, Fannie, married an Andrus per Fr. Hebert's > books and that's ALL I know about Elizabeth Hayes and the Senior Gabriel > Robertson. I wonder, of course, if this is the same Hayes family. I've > gotten so involved in my Texas lines I have been neglecting my LA. > ancestors, but I truly can't seem to get very far. G. Rob., Jr. was born > 1828, no idea when or where G.R., Sr. or Elizabeth "Bessie" Hayes were born. > Shirley > -----Original Message----- > From: LV Hayes > To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, September 05, 1999 6:29 AM > Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons > > > >>Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:22:14 -0600 > >>From: Jan Craven > >> > >>In the 1850 census, Rees W. Perkins is in there as Rip Perkins. I know > >>it's him b/c of the rest of the family... BUT, MY ancestor, Allen J > >>Perkins is listed as ELLEN 14 f. Now, this is strange. He MUST have > >>had a sex change sometime betw. 1850 and 1860. We all think that med > >>technology wasn't what it is today, but it must have been pretty goog > >>cause he has kids in the 1860 census!! Truly amazing! > > > >Maybe it was one of those old home remedies concocted of overripe fish oil > >and 190-proof swamp lightning that did it . That stuff could change > >a person's whole outlook on life. > > > >The situation you describe occurs often in the censuses, actually. It's > >difficult in my experience to make the right guess. Some times, Ellen is > >Allen, wrong sex or not, as in your example. Other times, Allen and Ellen > >co-existed; Allen just got left off the census for some reason. > > > >Another little Lyons mystery: > > > >On the 1880 census, Charles Helton had wife Pauner and 2 step-daughters, > >Martha J. Lyons, age 7, and Lila Lyons, age 5, in his household. The > >transcriber (Seymour) put question marks after Helton and Pauner. Who > >could the daddy of those little girls have been? I can't find any of the > >folks in this household on the cem listings, and 1880 is the latest census > >I have on hand. Helton is not on earlier censuses. > > > >For those of you with an interest in the Hayes family associated with the > >Lyonses, I've discovered another early Hayes who does not seem to be > >accounted for in the usual Hayes genealogies. > > > >Sarah Elizabeth Hayes appears on the 1870 Cameron census with husband James > >Hale and on the 1880 Calcasieu census living with her son-in-law Isaac > >Stansbury in Lake Charles. Another son-in-law, Samuel Jenks, was living > >next door. James and Sarah are buried in the McCall Cemetery at Grand > >Chenier. > > > >None of those sources identify Sarah as a Hayes, but the LDS site has a > >file on James Hale which does identify her maiden name. Unfortunately, the > >names of her parents are not given. > > > >Sarah's census data indicates that she was born in 1805 in LA to a father > >born in VA and a mother born in LA. That VA location suggests that her > >father was one of the sons of the William Hayes who came from VA to St > >Landry Parish in the late 1700s. But none of his sons are known to have > >had a wife who was born in LA. The identity of Sarah's parents remains > >thus to be discovered. > > > >LV > > > > > > ______________________________X-Message: #6 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:29:40 -0600 From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990907202940.006e3fd0@mail.usunwired.net> Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Shirley. I think your Elizabeth is the d/o Jane Foreman and Bosman Hayes. Jan At 06:28 PM 9/7/1999 -0500, you wrote: >I have an Elizabeth Hayes in my family, and can't seem to find any info on >these folks at all. Elizabeth was married to Gabriel Robertson and they >lived in St. Landry Parish but where in St. L. I don't know. They had a >son, Gabriel, who served in the War Between the States, and resided in Big >Woods. Gabriel (Jr.)'s sister, Fannie, married an Andrus per Fr. Hebert's >books and that's ALL I know about Elizabeth Hayes and the Senior Gabriel >Robertson. I wonder, of course, if this is the same Hayes family. I've >gotten so involved in my Texas lines I have been neglecting my LA. >ancestors, but I truly can't seem to get very far. G. Rob., Jr. was born >1828, no idea when or where G.R., Sr. or Elizabeth "Bessie" Hayes were born. >Shirley >-----Original Message----- >From: LV Hayes >To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >Date: Sunday, September 05, 1999 6:29 AM >Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons > > >>>Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:22:14 -0600 >>>From: Jan Craven >>> >>>In the 1850 census, Rees W. Perkins is in there as Rip Perkins. I know >>>it's him b/c of the rest of the family... BUT, MY ancestor, Allen J >>>Perkins is listed as ELLEN 14 f. Now, this is strange. He MUST have >>>had a sex change sometime betw. 1850 and 1860. We all think that med >>>technology wasn't what it is today, but it must have been pretty goog >>>cause he has kids in the 1860 census!! Truly amazing! >> >>Maybe it was one of those old home remedies concocted of overripe fish oil >>and 190-proof swamp lightning that did it . That stuff could change >>a person's whole outlook on life. >> >>The situation you describe occurs often in the censuses, actually. It's >>difficult in my experience to make the right guess. Some times, Ellen is >>Allen, wrong sex or not, as in your example. Other times, Allen and Ellen >>co-existed; Allen just got left off the census for some reason. >> >>Another little Lyons mystery: >> >>On the 1880 census, Charles Helton had wife Pauner and 2 step-daughters, >>Martha J. Lyons, age 7, and Lila Lyons, age 5, in his household. The >>transcriber (Seymour) put question marks after Helton and Pauner. Who >>could the daddy of those little girls have been? I can't find any of the >>folks in this household on the cem listings, and 1880 is the latest census >>I have on hand. Helton is not on earlier censuses. >> >>For those of you with an interest in the Hayes family associated with the >>Lyonses, I've discovered another early Hayes who does not seem to be >>accounted for in the usual Hayes genealogies. >> >>Sarah Elizabeth Hayes appears on the 1870 Cameron census with husband James >>Hale and on the 1880 Calcasieu census living with her son-in-law Isaac >>Stansbury in Lake Charles. Another son-in-law, Samuel Jenks, was living >>next door. James and Sarah are buried in the McCall Cemetery at Grand >>Chenier. >> >>None of those sources identify Sarah as a Hayes, but the LDS site has a >>file on James Hale which does identify her maiden name. Unfortunately, the >>names of her parents are not given. >> >>Sarah's census data indicates that she was born in 1805 in LA to a father >>born in VA and a mother born in LA. That VA location suggests that her >>father was one of the sons of the William Hayes who came from VA to St >>Landry Parish in the late 1700s. But none of his sons are known to have >>had a wife who was born in LA. The identity of Sarah's parents remains >>thus to be discovered. >> >>LV >> >> > > > ______________________________X-Message: #7 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:40:52, -0500 From: FFWP26A@prodigy.com (MRS JO ANNE P ARNAUD) To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199909080040.UAA15208@mime3.prodigy.com> Subject: John Lyons web page At the end of September my e-mail address will change. I will notify the board as soon as I have my new address. Jo-Anne Arnaud--current address FFWP26A@prodigy.com ______________________________X-Message: #8 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:32:06 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7b500017.25071696@aol.com> Subject: Members List Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks again for those reponses......Please be sure and drop me a note if I overlook your posts or don't place your information correctly. Valerie The 40 active members of the JOHNLYONS list as of September 7, 1999. are as follows: 1. Valerie Cundy- Topeka, KANSAS 2. Jan Craven-Lake Charles, LOUISIANA 3. Barbara Langham-Kilgore, TEXAS 4. David Lawrence 5. Lynn Bagley King-Houston,TEXAS 6. Ben Carroll-Pasadena,TEXAS 7. Mary Hammond -Tyler, TEXAS 8. LV Hayes-Fayetteville, NORTH CAROLINA 9. Rosemary Carraway-Houston,TEXAS 10.Mary Lane 11.Jeremy Fountain 12.Jennifer Anne Turner 13.Laura Wright 14.Wayne Linebarger 15.Robert Broussard 16 Betty Gaiennie 17 Tim Lyons 18 Jo-Anne Arnaud 19. Ruby Dusek- Katy, TEXAS 20. Joy Moore-Karnack,TEXAS 21. Harold Lawrence-(Inactive)Ocean Springs,MISSISSIPPI 22. Carol Austin-Garden Grove, CALIFORNIA 23. Sharon Shaw-- (Inactive) 24. Lesylee Gautreaux- Orange,TEXAS 25. Michael Bradford-Ocala,FLORIDA 26. Nelda Stebbins- Ragley, LOUISIANA 27. Shirely Smith-Lake Charles,LOUISIANA 28. Mary Antee 29. Riecke Baumann (Inactive) 30. Rand Wagner-(Inactive)Lake Charles,LOUISIANA 31. Mike Baumann 32. Jimmy Lawrence (Inactive) 33. Mary Dee Nicks-Phenix City, ALABAMA 34. Bryan Perkins 35. Shannon Shaw 36. Bill Hall-Beaumont,TEXAS 37 Susan Shanley 38. Michael Lyons 39. Stuart MacKillican-Orang,TEXAS 40. Maude Gilmore-Plano,TEXAS 41. Ken Dupuy-Vermilion Par.Historian of Maurice,LA 42. Anne Marie Galloway-Harvey,LOUISIANA 43. Richard D Culbertson-Fort Worth,TEXAS 44. Norman Ray Holden-Angleston,TEXAS 45. L. Neal Lyons-Temple,TEXAS 46. David Lyons-Sulphur, LOUISIANA 47. Richard Sirmon-Gueydan,LOUISIANA 48. PATTY W GRAVOIS, LOUISIANA 49. KATHY EARLY-Pasadena, TEXAS WELCOME!!!! we invite you to post your connection to JOHN LYONS. We currently have descendants from 6 of the 7 children of John and Nancy. Still searching for descendants of Elizabeth! MICHAEL Valerie Cundy Jeremy Fountain Wayne Linebarger Tim Lyons Ruby Dusek Joy Moore Carol Austin Maude Gilmore Richard D Culbertson JOHN JR. Ben Carroll Mary Hammond Rose Carraway Barbara Langham Laura Wright Mary Lane Shirley Smith Bill Hall Stuart Mackillican Norman Ray Holden GABRIEL Sharon Shaw Shannon Shaw ELIZABETH SAMUEL Jennifer Turner Jo Anne Arnaud Betty Gaiennie Robert Broussard Susan Shanley L. Neal Lyons WILLIAM Jan Craven Laura Wright Mary Dee Nicks Lesylee Gautreaux Anne Marie Galloway David Lyons Kathy Early DAVID David Lawrence Lynn King Harold Lawrence Michael Bradford Mary Antee Jimmy Lawrence Rand Wagner Mike Baumann Riecke Baumann Richard Sirmon ______________________________X-Message: #9 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:42:33 EDT From: VCundy@aol.com To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Subject: Elizabeth/Ellen ????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This looks like as good as place as any to solve a problem. I'm very confused with the whole William m. Hetty Hayes...their daughter Elizabeth.......Did she marry this Gabriel Robertson? If so, was there also a marriage to Ellen P.? Kathy....could you send everything you have on this family, including sources????? Do you also have Ellen's parents? Let's not forget about Williams 3rd marriage to Elizabeth Cole.....still looking for parent's there and sources for their marriage. Valerie ______________________________X-Message: #10 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:21:06 -0400 From: "cajunk" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000501ca3022$a710d540$5a6e58d8@default> Subject: Re: Elizabeth/Ellen ????? Valerie, What I have on Gabriel Robertson is taken from the print out from GENWEB of Big Woods Cemetery, Edgerly, Calcasieu Pr.., La. It says: Robertson, Ellen P. 28 Jun - 1 Feb 1922 w/o Gabriel Robertson For children, see notes on Gabriel. Gabriel Robertson 17 Mar 1828 - 5 Dec 1918 Next to Ellen P. Robertson. Notes: Married about 1854. Children Virginia b. abt. 1855; Joseph b. Abt 1857; Hampton b. abt 1859; Set b. abt. 1861; Fairy b abt 1863; Maria b. abt 1865; Early b. abt 1866; William; Zarrida/Tarrida. Source CWV. 1880 Calcasieu Census Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 9:42 PM Subject: Elizabeth/Ellen ????? > This looks like as good as place as any to solve a problem. I'm very > confused with the whole William m. Hetty Hayes...their daughter > Elizabeth.......Did she marry this Gabriel Robertson? If so, was there also a > marriage to Ellen P.? Kathy....could you send everything you have on this > family, including sources????? Do you also have Ellen's parents? Let's not > forget about Williams 3rd marriage to Elizabeth Cole.....still looking for > parent's there and sources for their marriage. > > Valerie > > ______________________________X-Message: #11 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:31:37 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199909080320.XAA6876540@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Gabriel Robertson who married Ellen P. (that's Ellen Prater) was the son of Gabriel Robertson and Elizabeth Hayes. I also have their children, from the "Family of William Prater and Elizabeth Francois Lyons" by Lynn DeMary. Does anybody have anything on the children of Isaac Lyons and Theodocia Ernestine Hasha? Isaac was the son of Abel Lyons and Mary Ann Bryan. Theodocia was also a Lyons descendant, through her mother Mary Emaline Prater. The children I have for them are Viona, b. 1880, Isaiah Emore b. 1882, and Ernest Lyons b. 1888, m. Myrtle Jackson. Isaiah Emore married Mellinee/Melanie Garner and had two children that I know of, Ruby Lyons b. 1914 and Floyd Tillman Lyons b. 1918. Would very much like more information on this family. Carol Austin ______________________________X-Message: #12 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:26:32 -0500 From: "Shirley Smith" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <00cb01bef9aa$05ee1c40$2437bfcf@default> Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I don't know how a Foreman slipped in, but you know the Foremans and the Lyons were all related over there in Vinton. Jan, we may end up being sisters! This is the first I knew G. Rob. was born in Arkansas and the first I ever knew of any Foremans! Is this a great list or what! Thanks for that info! Shirley -----Original Message----- From: Jan Craven To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 8:40 PM Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons >Shirley. I think your Elizabeth is the d/o Jane Foreman and >Bosman Hayes. >Jan > >At 06:28 PM 9/7/1999 -0500, you wrote: >>I have an Elizabeth Hayes in my family, and can't seem to find any info on >>these folks at all. Elizabeth was married to Gabriel Robertson and they >>lived in St. Landry Parish but where in St. L. I don't know. They had a >>son, Gabriel, who served in the War Between the States, and resided in Big >>Woods. Gabriel (Jr.)'s sister, Fannie, married an Andrus per Fr. Hebert's >>books and that's ALL I know about Elizabeth Hayes and the Senior Gabriel >>Robertson. I wonder, of course, if this is the same Hayes family. I've >>gotten so involved in my Texas lines I have been neglecting my LA. >>ancestors, but I truly can't seem to get very far. G. Rob., Jr. was born >>1828, no idea when or where G.R., Sr. or Elizabeth "Bessie" Hayes were born. >>Shirley >>-----Original Message----- >>From: LV Hayes >>To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com >>Date: Sunday, September 05, 1999 6:29 AM >>Subject: Re: Ellen Lyons >> >> >>>>Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:22:14 -0600 >>>>From: Jan Craven >>>> >>>>In the 1850 census, Rees W. Perkins is in there as Rip Perkins. I know >>>>it's him b/c of the rest of the family... BUT, MY ancestor, Allen J >>>>Perkins is listed as ELLEN 14 f. Now, this is strange. He MUST have >>>>had a sex change sometime betw. 1850 and 1860. We all think that med >>>>technology wasn't what it is today, but it must have been pretty goog >>>>cause he has kids in the 1860 census!! Truly amazing! >>> >>>Maybe it was one of those old home remedies concocted of overripe fish oil >>>and 190-proof swamp lightning that did it . That stuff could change >>>a person's whole outlook on life. >>> >>>The situation you describe occurs often in the censuses, actually. It's >>>difficult in my experience to make the right guess. Some times, Ellen is >>>Allen, wrong sex or not, as in your example. Other times, Allen and Ellen >>>co-existed; Allen just got left off the census for some reason. >>> >>>Another little Lyons mystery: >>> >>>On the 1880 census, Charles Helton had wife Pauner and 2 step-daughters, >>>Martha J. Lyons, age 7, and Lila Lyons, age 5, in his household. The >>>transcriber (Seymour) put question marks after Helton and Pauner. Who >>>could the daddy of those little girls have been? I can't find any of the >>>folks in this household on the cem listings, and 1880 is the latest census >>>I have on hand. Helton is not on earlier censuses. >>> >>>For those of you with an interest in the Hayes family associated with the >>>Lyonses, I've discovered another early Hayes who does not seem to be >>>accounted for in the usual Hayes genealogies. >>> >>>Sarah Elizabeth Hayes appears on the 1870 Cameron census with husband James >>>Hale and on the 1880 Calcasieu census living with her son-in-law Isaac >>>Stansbury in Lake Charles. Another son-in-law, Samuel Jenks, was living >>>next door. James and Sarah are buried in the McCall Cemetery at Grand >>>Chenier. >>> >>>None of those sources identify Sarah as a Hayes, but the LDS site has a >>>file on James Hale which does identify her maiden name. Unfortunately, the >>>names of her parents are not given. >>> >>>Sarah's census data indicates that she was born in 1805 in LA to a father >>>born in VA and a mother born in LA. That VA location suggests that her >>>father was one of the sons of the William Hayes who came from VA to St >>>Landry Parish in the late 1700s. But none of his sons are known to have >>>had a wife who was born in LA. The identity of Sarah's parents remains >>>thus to be discovered. >>> >>>LV >>> >>> >> >> >> > > ______________________________X-Message: #13 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:41:26 -0700 From: "CR_AUSTIN" To: JOHNLYONS-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199909080331.XAA3580850@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> Subject: Re: Elizabeth/Ellen ????? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guess I should read all the messages before I answer any. Ellen Prater was the daughter of William Prater and Elizabeth Francoise (Fanny) Lyons. Fanny Lyons was the daughter of Michael Lyons and Marie Hayes. The children of Ellen Prater and Gabriel "Uncle Bud" Robertson were: 1. Ellen Virginia, 29 Nov 1854 - 19 Jul 1941, m. Thomas J. Robinson 2. Jasper Newton "Bud", 30 Jan 1857 - 12 Mar 1927, m. Viana Perkins 3. William Hampton, 16 Nov 1858 - 3 Jan 1913, never married 4. Thomas Seth, 1 Mar 1860 - 18 Mar 1924, m. Hulda Bilbo 5. Emily Fairsiana, 2 Oct 1861 - 4 May 1952, m. Edward I. Pierce, Duduan Broussard, and Lee Anding. 6. Gabriel Marion, 14 Nov 1863 - 1 Feb 1926, m. Mary Ann "Molley" Bilbo 7. Charles Early, 12 Jan 1865 - 10 Apr 1918, m. Elherah Jane Anding 8. Rosana F., 29 Apr 1868 - 1 Dec 1914, m. John Monroe Bilbo 9. Zorida, Mar 1869 - 30 Mar 1930, m. James K. Perkins, Jr. All this is from the Prater genealogy by Lynn DeMary. Carol Austin