Indian Pioner Papers - C.E. Lael Submitted by Brenda Choate bcchoate@yahoo.com ************************************************************************ USGENWEB ARCHIVES NOTICE: These electronic pages may NOT be reproduced in any format for profit or presentation by any other organization or persons. Persons or organizations desiring to use this material, must obtain the written consent of the contributor, or the legal representative of the submitter, and contact the listed USGenWeb archivist with proof of this consent. The submitter has given permission to the USGenWeb Archives to store the file permanently for free access. http://www.usgwarchives.net/ *********************************************************************** C.E. Lael Interview # 1237 Field Worker: Maurice R. Anderson Date: May 3, 1937 Name: Mr. C.E. Lael Residence: Wynnewood, Oklahoma Date of Birth: 1887 Place of Birth: Old Mill Creek, Chickasaw Nation, I.T. Father:  Noah Lael, born in Mississippi Mother: Lucy Harris, born in Chickasaw Nation, I.T. My father, Noah Lael, came to the Indian Territory in 1872.  He first settled near Sulphur Springs, Indian Territory, in the Chickasaw Nation.  He carried the mail on horseback from old Fort Arbuckle, Indian Territory, to Gainesville, Texas. Later he worked on the old stage line from Fort Sill to Denison, Texas.   My father later owned the Three X Ranch.  His brand was three x's with the figure 5 on the right jaw. I don't know much to tell about, only what my father has told me.   He had cattle ranging from Wynnewood to Atoka and I have heard him say in round-up time the cattle men around Wynnewood would go in together and each one would furnish so many men and a chuck wagon.  They would round up a large bunch of cattle and cut out each man's brand and start them back home.  He said sometimes they would have some trouble about the calves.  They would watch what cows the calves went to and whose brand was on the cow, then it was his calf.  As for cattle stealing, there wasn't much of that took place.  My father said he knew of several families who had killed some of his steers.  The Negroes were the worst he said, to kill beef steers. I have heard my father say that under the old Chickasaw Indian law you could only fence one square mile, as the rest was called public range.  Father never dealt in cattle much until after the railroad went through.   Then he shipped most of his cattle to Kansas.  I have heard him say corn fed steers would bring from four to five cents a pound.   My grandfather on my mother's side was Governor Harris.   He and Smith Paul (the Smith Paul that located Pauls Valley) brought a wagon train from Mississippi to the Indian Territory.  I have heard my grandfather say he and Smith Paul walked all the way.