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Case, US vs Tex, Sept 1, 1891, page 196 J W Wilson, A witness for the US, being duly sworn, testified as follows: 1. question by Edgar Allan, sp'l ass't att'y gen'l for the US. What is your name, age, residence and occupation? Answer: My name is J W Wilson, am 53 years old; live in Gr. Co., 10 miles east of Mangum, and am a farmer.. 2. question, How long have you been familiar with the Red river country S of Gr? Answer, Since about July, 1854. question. In what connection and for how long a time after? . Answer: I joined the Texas State Rangers about July 1st, 1854, and belonged at that time one year. In the winter of 1859, I think I joined another company of rangers, and was with them until the time ran out in 1860. 3.question, What particular section of country were these troops engaged in ;while you were with them? Answer; We were stationed on the Clear fork of the Brazos river. 4 question, For what purpose? Answer: We were there for the purpose of fighting the Kiowas and Comanches Indians who were depredating on the country at that time. 5th question, Did you come in conflict with these Indians during your period of service with these rangers? Answer: Occasionally they would come in the country and steal horses and we would follow them out. 6th question. What was then the recognized boundary between Texas and the united States, which these Indians were not permitted to cross? Answer: The South fork of Red river was then supposed to be the boundary, but we use to follow them across. 7th question: Did you follow them across the South Fork at any time except when they had been stealing cattle of horses? Answer: No. 8th question: How far have you pursued them when they had stolen horses: Answer: We sometimes followed them to the Wichita mountains and sometimes to the boundary of New Mexico. They generally traveled through broken country. 9th question: Why was it when they had committed no act of stealing that you officers stopped the pursuit when they reached the S for of Red R? (Objected to by the counsel for St of Tx because it is leading and presupposes a fact not testified to by the witness) Answer: We supposed they were in their own territory. 10th question: When they crossed the South fork on these occasions where were they ? Answer: Sometimes they would go through what is now known as Gr. Co; sometimes they would cross below and sometimes they would go to N M. and sometimes they would go to NM without touching Gr. Co. They would go out by the head of the Brazos. 11th question: How far is the head of the Brazos from Red R and how far from N. fork? Answer: It is not a very great distance from the head of the Brazos to that of the Red R, but I don't remember how far, because it is so long since I was there. 12th question: Can you describe the differences between the North and South forks in respect to width, flow of water, color of the waters, and character of the same? Answer: The S for of Red R is something about a mile wide in what is known as the bed of the river, and the N f of Red R is not over 300 yds wide below the mouth of Elm. Above the mouth of Elm it is very narrow, in many places not over fifty yards wide. In the summer season there is more water in sight in N fork, below the mouth of Elm, than there is in S fork, below the Palo Duro Canyon. Above the mouth of the Elm there was not running water, except in holes or after a big rain. The Palo duro canyon is the head -waters of the South fork and there is running water in it all the time, because it has a rock bottom. In a low time of water there is not much difference in the color of the water, but in high water the s fork is darker, because it drains a larger scope of country and runs through redder lands. There is not much difference in the character of the water in the S fork and that in the N for below the mouth of Elm. They both are bad, salty, and gyppy. Above the mouth of Elm the water of N fork is not so bad, as there are springs and little tributaries of fresh water running into it, which caused, I suppose, these holes spoke of, the same as are in the S fork. 13th question, In such seasons as you have referred to when there is more water in sight below the mouth of Elm, what is the condition in regard to water in the bed of the S fork? Answer: The water in S fork stood in holes like it did in N for, but the holes were larger because there was more water there. 14th question: Outside the channel of the S fork are the sand banks between the channel and the banks dry, solid sand, or is the water found near the surface? Answer: I never dug down to see.. 15th question: Were you present at the capture of Centhia Ann Parker? Answer: I was 16th question: Where did it take place? Answer: At a place now known as Antelope Springs. The fight started on the south side of Pease river, but was ended on the north side, and it was in 1860, I think. 17th question: Was Joe Martinez with you? Answer: He was. 18th question: During the period of your military service can you tell what were the habits of the Texas cattlemen in regard to coming into and occupying what is now know as Greer County? Answer: Of my own knowledge I do not. 19th question: Do you know anything of the existence in 1854 and later on of any old trails running through the country north of this point? If so, give their location. Answer: As far back as 1854 the only trail that I knew of ran from Fort Colorado across to For Bellknap and from there to Fort Arbuckle. Fort Colorado was on the Colorado river, in Texas. Ft Belknap is in Young Co, Tx. and Fort Arbuckle is in Indian Territory. 20th question: Do you know anything of the location of what is called the Santa Fe trail? Answer: Long since that time I lived in the Chickasaw nation and I saw there what called by the Indians the Santa Fe trail. It was on the east side of the Washita river. 21 question. How long have you lived in Greer county? Answer: four years the 8th of this month. Cross-examination by Att'y Gen'l Culberson for def't 1st question: You were sixteen years old when you went in the rangers in 1854? Answer: Yes. 2nd question: Who was captain of the company? Answer: Bill Marlin 3rd question: Was it a regular or independent company? Answer: Independent. 4th question: In what manner were you paid for your services: Answer: By the ponies we captured from the Indian. The branded stock we captured from the Indians was generally proved away from us by the owners in Texas, but the unbranded stock was recognized as Indian stock and was kept by us, and that was the only way we got any pay. 5th question: How were the captured animals divided among the men? Answer: By the captain of the company. 6th question. Were you ever paid anything by the State of Teas for your services at that time a member of Marlin's command? Answer: We were not. 7th question. You were mustered out in July, 1855? Answer. Yes 8th question: What business did you engage in from that time until Dec. 1859? Answer: I went back to where my father lived and worked on the farm. 9th question: You then joined a company for one year? Answer: I did, E W Rogers' company of State troops. 10th question: How long did you serve in that company? Answer: For one year-until Dec. 1860. 11th question: In 1860 did you suppose this country here--Greer Co. ---to belong to the Indians? Answer: Yes. 12th question: Did you suppose that state of facts to exist throughout the year 1860? Answer: I did. 13th question: Did you not know that Greer County was created in Feb. 1860, by an act of the legislature of the State of Tx. Answer: I did not.. 14th question: Did you company ever follow the Indians into what is now the Indian Territory proper? Answer: Yes. 15th question: Did you ever follow the Indians beyond North fork? Answer: Yes. 16th question: Was it not a practice of that company to follow the Indians wherever they went without regard to boundary lines? Answer: Yes; sometimes we would follow them across Red River and sometimes we would follow them to New Mexico. 17th question: Is the average width of South fork a mile above the fork? Answer: I think so. 18th question: Have you ever seen any good drinking water in South fork? Answer, I never did until I got up to the a Palo Duro Canyon about seventy miles above . signed, J W WILSON DEPOSITION OF J C SETTLES US vs state of Texas, Supreme Ct. Case, 1896 Page 1042 Report of Settles and Todd. J C Settles being of lawful age and duly sworn, testifies as follows: Questioned by Judge Clark: 1.Q: State your name, age and residence. A. J C Settles; about 46 years old; residence in Greer county. 2Q: How long have you resided in Greer County, Tx? A. some over seven years; going on eight years. (1883) 3Q Were you acquainted with the country here previous to your residence? A. Yes sir, 4Q. State for what length of time. A. I have been in this county seventeen years ago, to the best of my recollection.(1874) 5Q. Following what business--your occupation, if any? A. buffalo hunting. 6Q. State your means of knowledge of the country and the extent of that knowledge seventeen years ago.(1874) A. Seventeen years ago I came into the county on the southwest corner near the national monument stationed on Buffalo camp there, and hunted buffalo through that country. 7Q. Was your hunting confined to any particular locality in the county or generally over it? A. Hunting generally over S. fork, above Greer County--West of Greer county. 8Q. When did you commence visiting the country, if al all? A. I hunted that season up as far as the foot of the plains on the river on South fork, and also I travelled down South fork that season two or three trips. 9Q. How far down? A. To Henrietta, Clay Co, Tx. 1-Q. Is Henrietta below the junction of the two forks? A. Yes. 11Q. How far, or about how far? 100 miles below. I had to go down there to get my supplies. 12Q. Are you acquainted with that portion of Greer county bordering on the North fork? A Yes. 13Q. How long since you first became acquainted with it? A. It has been fifteen years ago.(1876) 14Q. What were you engaged in at the time? A. I was wolfing then--poisoning wolves. 15Q. Do you know anything about the old trail between Natchitoches and Santa Fe, generally called the Santa Fe Trail? A. No sir. I know mighty little about that trail. 16Q. Did you ever see the trail? A. No, sir; not that I know of. 17Q. Are there any evidences of white settlements of Spanish settlements on the North fork of old date? A. Yes Sir. 18Q. What are these evidences? A. Evidences of what we term as "Spanish town" Seems to be a large quantity of people settled and from what information I know of, Spanish work--what they called "vats". They are large rock from a foot and 3/4 down to a foot and a quarter wide and generally on an average as much as two feet long and hollowed out smooth; seemed as though they had been grinding with rock. I found several of them and there are lots of them in there. 19Q. Where is this old settlement of town located? A. In the Wichita Mountains, on the north side of North fork about three miles below the mouth of the Elm.. 20A. How far from the river? A. I reckon about half a mile from the bed of the river. 21Q. East or west? A. North. 22Q. Give a description of what you found in that old town. A. Old tools, pieces of iron of different description, copper. I found a material--I really don't know what it was; seemed to be iron or some such material, but i could not tell. I found a cave there also, and there are pieces of iron and other materials in that and in fact all over the place, supposed to be old Spanish crucibles, said to be that by a man who professes to know; seems to be something larger than a man's hat and made something in a basin style that stand fire. Put a piece in the fire and the fire will not burn it at all; suppose they used them for melting minerals in them. found a cave that has ashes in it--natural ashes; no mistake about that; as much as eight or ten tons in it. We dug down fifteen feet and went through the ashes for as much as ten feet; found whetstones there that had been used as whetstones; found traces of men; bones, skulls, arm bones, and several other things in there. There is where I found a knife too., 24Q. What was the apparent size of the town or settlement? A. I suppose about ten acres in one place that shows where it was inhabited. The ground is rolling and it looks like high banks. You go in there, however, and you will find bones, pieces of iron, and different things of that kind, brass and bones of many descriptions, and ashes in lots of places in digging down in there. 25Q. What led you to suppose that it was a Spanish settlement? A. An Indian told me. The year I was camped on Buck Creek, the Comanches came out on a big hunt and we had a Spaniard there who was telling us of his scraps with the Indians and white people, and he told us about a place in the mountains where there had been a big lot of Mexicans, and that they had had a big fight, in fact, two fights, and that the Mexican whipped them and then that they had another fight and the Indians whipped the Mexican, and that they had all gone; did not know whether they got away or not. he told me there was a place there they had been working for money or mineral, and that was a place on the side of the mountain where they had dug down through solid rock, had worked down through that, and that at the bottom of that place was all the money we wanted the way he told it, and that they had rolled a big rock on it and the Indian could not roll it off, and in looking for that old place that he spoke of I came across this place that I think is the old town. 26Q. You found it on the North fork? A yes, sir, and I am satisfied I found the place that the Indian described to the Spaniard, the place where the money was, except the rock. I failed to find the rock rolled over the hole, but we did find a rock rolled down the hole and we had to blast it to get it out. Around the bottom we found a soft material that we never did get an assay out of. Below that we found something like coal, looked like coal. We also found part of the skeleton of a man in there; it seemed that one side had entirely decayed and a small piece of the skull; also a piece of arm bone and two elk horns; elk horns about a foot long, but not hardly that long, about 8 inches long, that we supposed they dug out the mineral with. The elk horns were good. 27Q. Were there any evidences of fencing or posts? A. This here hole that I speak of is in Greer County, in the mountains, on the other side, and you can see beyond any doubt in the world, that it has been worked, not with picks, but with something that looks like gads, and you can see chips all the way down where it seems to have been worked with hammer and gad. 28Q. A small piece of iron, sharp here, that you hold onto with your hand and chip the stones off with. Mr. Allan 1Q: Did not they have it made of stone? A. I do not know about that. We found them in that town. I have a little piece there I found, which is about three and a half inch long; It is narrower at the "eye" than at the edge. By Judge Clark: Then, I understand you to say that the town was on the north side of the North fork, and the shaft that you described on the south side? A. Yes, sir. 2Q. How far apart were they? A. About six miles apart. Q. How far is that town, or location of that settlement, from Mangum? A. About sixteen or seventeen miles. 3Q. About how far do you reside from that locality? A. Two miles. 4Q. Do I understand you to say that the situation of the town is covered over now with anything or is it apparent? A. With grass; a heap of digging down to find it in some places. A man might find the place who was digging down with the prospect of finding the place, but it is all in grass, and a person who did not know of the place would have trouble finding it to-day. You will find different places there where holes seem to be sunk or dug by the appearance of the dirt high around the edges; they sunk places and there is great big bushes grown in it. 5Q. How large A. There is brushes 10 inches thick. 6Q. Any timber? A. Yes, sir. 7Q. Does that timber have the appearance of having been recently settled or that of a very old settlement? A. A very old settlement. 8Q. Are you acquainted with the North fork of Red River? A. Yes, sir: 9Q. From its junction with the South fork to its source: A. Yes, I am pretty well acquainted. 10Q. Please describe that stream as to the volume and permanency of the water. A. I suppose its banks are all the way from 250 yards to half a mile wide, on an average, from its mouth to mouth of McClellan Creek. It is really wider along where it goes out of Greer County, really wider there than down here. A great many streams empty into it, especially from the north side. There are some very large creeks that empty in it. Otter Creek is the first; that is something in the neighborhood of 25 or 30 miles long. 11Q What volume of water does it discharge; considerable or small? A. Considerable. It comes in out of the mountains and throws in considerable volume of water. The next one is the Elk. I guess Elk Creek is 65 or 70 miles long, coming in from the north. 12Q. Why do you guess it so? A. I have been over it a good deal; have been to all the head prongs of it, I reckon, at different times, and here in Cheyenne ran one across there and measure out 42 miles, and I was not yet at the head of the prong that runs north. It is still up out far north from that. 13Q. What is the next stream that empties into it? A. The next stream to amount to anything is Timber Creek; that is a pretty big creek, and runs in considerable water. 14Q. Does that flow from the north? A. it does; it is 30 miles---anyhow that long. I have been over it fifty different times. 15Q. The next, if you can remember. A. I believe that the next is Starvation creek--that is of any consequence. It is a creek about 17 or 18 miles long; as much as that, I am satisfied; that shows up a great increase in that part of the country. 16Q. That flows from the north also? Yes, sir; nearly north. 17Q. What streams flow into if from the south? A. The first stream is Hackberry, which I suppose, is nine or ten miles long. 18Q. The next? A Stinking creek; it is 12 miles long. The next of any consequence is Elm. 19Q. Give its length, or about its length; approximate. A. It is 75 or 100 miles long. 20Q. Do you remember any above Elm that flows from the south and empties into it? A. It heads up in agin, McClellan; runs up in back of McClellan. 21Q. Is the flow of water in North fork constat or only annually? A. Do you mean the creeks that run into it? 22Q. South Fork itself. A. From the mouth of Timber creek, I do not think I ever saw it dry until you get above the mouth of McClellan creek. 23Q. Where is the mouth of McClellan creek? A. Where is the mouth of McClellan creek? 24Q. How far from the junction of the two rivers: A. About two hundred miles. 25Q. I understand you to say that you have never seen it dry? A. No. 26Q. Is it a permanent stream of water or is it periodic? A. A permanent stream. 27Q. What is the condition of the North fork just above the junction with the Elm? A. There it runs through the mountains and it is very crooked in there; it runs in agin the mountain and turns back; it is pretty narrow in about there; about as narrow as it is anywhere at all. 28Q. How does the volume of water just above North fork compare with the volume of water in Elm Creek? A. Yes, sir. 29Q. How does the volume of water just above North fork compare with the volume of water in Elm Creek? A. Just above through this mountain, some 15 or 16 miles, the water on North fork there is often very dry. 30Q. Above the junction of the Elm? A. Yes, sir; it seems there is places where the sands topple in there, and it falls in there until there is more of it dry one-half of the year for about fifteen miles. 31Q. Where does it begin running again? A. About fifteen miles below Timber creek. From Timber creek on up I have never seen it clear dry. At one time that I saw it, it was not running, but then there were holes in it all along. 32Q. Does North fork empty into Elm or does Elm empty into North fork? A. I could not answer that question. 34Q. Did you ever make an examination of North fork to its source: A. Yes ,sir, from the mouth of Elm. 35Q. When? A. Last fall 36Q. The fall of 1891? A. Yes, sir. 37Q. Did any one accompany you on that trip? Yes; Mr. Todd. 38Q. You mean, Mr. Todd, the present county Judge? A. Yes, sir. 39Q. Of Greer County? A. Yes. 40Q. State if you examined the North fork to its source. A. Yes. 41Q. Where did you find its source, head-waters? A. I do not remember the county it was in now, but i have the name there in that diary. I suppose the head-water from Panhandle city is about 12 or 15 miles; living water. 42A. Beyond Panhandle city? A. This side. 43Q. What is the length of the North fork of Red river from its junction to its source? A. From its junction to its source? 44Q. Give it about as near as you can. A. It is about 275 miles. 45Q. Are all these streams that empty into Red river north of Red river living streams of water. A. Those I spoke of are. There are several others I did not name that are not living all the time. There are streams up there that run down a half a mile or a mile. The valley falls in and the water comes through and there is really no channel. 46Q. Does the water disappear? A. It Disappears. 47Q. Did you examine the South fork of Red river from its source down? A. Yes, sir 48Q. How far down? A. We examined it down to the Quanah bridge. 49Q. Have you examined it from the Quanah bridge to its junction? A. I have been on it many times, but did not particularly examine it. 50Q. What is the approximate length of South fork from its junction to its source? A. From the mouth of the river to the head-waters, from the best I can give, is about 250 miles. 51Q. About the same length as the other? A. The other is about 275 miles; about 25 miles difference. 52Q. How did you estimate this distance? A. When me and Mr Todd went up we went from the mouth of the Elm, from there up we had a roadometer with us, and me and him kept account of it. When we started we started to keep up the bed of the river and follow that close up and keep the roadometer working and keep particular count of it. We got up the river some and found out there were so many sand hills and it was so terrible rough that we could not drive up, and we had to pull up back in the hills, and he(Mr Todd) quit keeping tally at all and I then kept tally of it all the way on the buggy wheel. 53Q. Upon what now do you base your estimate of the length? Do you base it solely upon the measure of the radiometer? A. No, sir. 54Q. What Else? A. Not on the radiometer, because there were a great many places in the river where we could not do that--a great many crooks; but we estimate it from our travelling and from taking that, too. We would look around and approximate while we were in sight of the places. I profess to be a pretty good judge of calculating distances from my experience on the frontier. 55Q. What experience have you had in estimating distances on the frontier? A. Only from travelling and from estimating and guessing distances from what others said. We would inquire the distance from place to place along and get information from the people. We went up the river and down, too. 56Q. How long have you been on the frontier? A. Seventeen years, in Texas. Q. Where did you find the source of South fork? A. In Deaf Smith county, about the center of Deaf Smith County. 57Q. How does it have its origin--in what sort of place--its head? A. We went across and struck it about 12 miles below the living water. We got information from the people as we went on up, and I had been in there before. We went until we got to what they said was the head-water; we went above that and found no water in it at all. The break of the plains was forty or fifty feet wide a sink, and there we found standing holes of water where we stopped, and above that no water; common prairie grass growing over the channel of the draw. 58Q. What do you mean by a "draw"? A. A place that runs across these places that looks like that dry grass or dry-creek grass growing over that, and runs out from that for miles. These big salt-lakes run out fifty or seventy-five miles, and they are drains, but their bottoms seem not to hold water much, but the water seems to stay in there. 59Q. What canyon was this in, if in any canyon? A. Palo Duro Q. PaloDuro or Palo Blanco? A. Palo Duro 60Q. How far down did you trace South fork? A. Down to the Quanah bridge, on the road from Quanah to Mangum. 61Q. How long were you engaged in the trip? A. Thirty-seven days, I believe. 62Q. Describe the South fork from its head-waters down to the junction. A. There where we started back there were small holes of water down over, I suppose, about five miles. Betwixt these holes of water there was grass growing over on the bottom, I suppose, for five miles down, and the banks around it was white--white earth; then the water got fresher, there, and there were good big holes of water. I suppose some of them fifty or seventy-five feet across. 63Q. Running water? A. Yes; and it was running water for (I will approximate) about ten miles. There at the junction of this water and the bank was, I suppose, may be down to the level of fifty or seventy-five feet. You could go out anywhere from a wagon on the plains and find it; then the water played out and was standing in holes. 64Q. For what distance? A. From there to Canyon City. 65Q. What distance is that, about? A. About 25 miles, I suppose. 66Q. Go on with the description. A. Well, there we crossed it in two places, and there were still standing holes of water; good big shoals betwixt them in which there was no water al all, and then in the deep canyon set in there, which, I suppose, from the very best information we could get, in from 1,000 to 1,600 feet, and I believe that one fellow claimed it was 2,000 feet at the deepest point. Of course, when we got to that canyon we had to take to the plains, as that depth was from the top of the canyon to the bed of the creek. We followed the bank of that canyon on down. I suppose it may have been some fifty or sixty miles before we crossed it on the other side. Several places we could see over and into the canyon on the high banks of is, and from the breaks, on an average, I guess, it was somewhere in the neighborhood of eight miles from break to break---I mean of this canyon. 67Q. What do you mean by that? A. That is where the sink comes in and cuts out in the canyon to the level of the plains. 68Q. Where the canyon disappears? A. Where the bank is set off on each side. It sets off in breaks and hollows 69Q. After you had left the canyon behind, coming down South fork, what was the condition of the stream? A. The stream was just half was down below--that is, after we got down below Mulberry Canyon. The river there was, I suppose --the bed was three-fourths of a mile side. 70Q. Any water? A. There was some water right at the mouth of the canyon, coming in out of the mouth of the canyon. 71Q How far did that water extend? A. The best we could see of it, something like a half of a mile or three-fourths of a mile. 72Q. Is that running water? A. No, sir; the canyon is not running. It set in below us and the sand was wet, and the water proceeding from the sand was feeding that. 73Q. What was the condition of the bed of the stream? A. Naturally dry. 74Q. What was the general condition of the bed of the stream all the way down? A. There was no running water in it all the way down; in places there were standing holes of water; some may have been one-half a mile or three-quarters of a mile long. 75Q. What was the general condition of the bed of the stream all the way down? A. Sandy, especially in the south side. 76Q. I speak with reference to water. What was the general condition of the bed of the stream from the canyon down to Quanah crossing with reference to water; generally dry or generally running? A. Generally dry. 77Q. Now describe the condition of the banks. A. The banks on the south side were sandy; the river straight--a good deal straighter than the North fork is--but no vegetation scarcely at all on the south bank, with a good deal of the north bank the same way. Some places of hard ground on the north side; what valleys it had on the south side is sand and subject to overflow, and they are very narrow--that is, the valleys are very narrow--and there is scarcely any vegetation on the bank at all. 78Q. Which discharges the greater volume of water, North fork or South fork. A. North fork. 79Q. Which stream drains the greatest area of territory? A. North fork. 80Q. About how many streams are tributary to North fork? A. About forty, I think. 81Q. About how many streams are tributary to South fork? A. about twenty, I think. Well, I will tell a little further about that, and that is this: I am only speaking of where i know Mr Todd and i went surveying. Then there are some streams below on both of them that I have not included. 82Q. Did you detect any appearance of the widening of the South fork as you came down? A. I think I did. 83Q. State what the indications showed. A. When the rainfall comes on these three canyons that come in on the plains--they are narrow at their sources, nothing like as wide as the natural stream is, and when these eight miles that I have spoken of--they were all something like that width and some places wider, and when the rainfall falls on them it rushes in these streams and a perfect flow comes out of these canyons and the volume comes down and cuts and widens the banks. 84Q. The banks being of sand? A. yes, sir; and they dome down in great rolls(speaking of the volume of water), and I am satisfied that I saw water come down as much as five feet difference in fifty yards, just rolling down. When they come down that way they move these sand banks considerably. 85Q. Then I understand you to say that the indications are that South fork is gradually widening by reason of these freshets? A. Yes, sir; I think the main cause of it is these freshets down there. Take at Doan's, for instance; at one place in there one overflow made it fifty or 100 yards wider than it was. 86Q. Are the banks on North fork the same character as those on South fork? A. No, sir. 87Q. State the difference. A. A bar of red earth on them; some sand on them; but, then, this is where the red dirt and vegetation is on North fork, and the vegetation grows right along the banks, and willow trees grow right in the water. The banks of North fork are not so barren and the valleys are all set in with grass and shrubbery and vegatation of one kind or another, and the stream is very crooked, too. 88Q. The next number is 89Q, 88 Q was skipped. 89Q. The banks of North fork, then, don't yield to the action of floods like the banks of the South fork? A. No, sir; and then it has a great many streams on it coming in from the north that is hard land. They come in lots of places plumb square and throw in a power of dirt when the stream is in shape, and that throws the water back for four or five miles. These streams, when they flow in that way, leave a lot of sediment there from out of these creeks. I am speaking of North fork now. 89Q. Then these washes leaves the dirt there instead of washing it out? A. Yes, sir. 90Q. Do you know what the old name of South fork was--what it used to be called her by the people? A. Prairie Dog Town fork. 91Q. Do you remember the Indian name for it? A. N, sir: I do not. 92Q. What was the North fork known as? A. As North fork. 93Q. Is this your report that you made? Is that your signature there? A. Yes, sir. Cross examined, by Mr. Allan: Were you born in Texas? A. No, sir, I was born in Virginia. 1CQ. Were you educated there? A. No, sir. 2CQ, I have to ask you this question simply because I want the court to see you just as i do: Have you had any education at all? A. no, sir; none at all. 3CQ, You can sign your name, I believe? A. Yes, sir; but I very often make my mark. 4CQ. Can you read? A. No, sir. 5CQ. What year did you locate as a settler in Greer County? A. It has been eight years next July since I got here. (1883) 6CQ. Do you remember what year it was when you were hunting buffalo here: A. When I first started out hunting it was seventeen years ago, the best I can count.(1873) 7CQ. How old were you then? A. I do not remember exactly. I got my house burned and the records of my age was burnt with it. 8Q. Was that when you first came to Texas? A. Yes, sir; I went to hunting the first year I came here. 9Q. Don't you know how old you were when you first came here? A. No, sir; I do not remember. I have my discharge when I was mustered out of the army, but have not got it with me. 10Q. How old were you when you went into the army? A. Seventeen years old. 11Q. What year was that in? I enlisted two or three different times. I was young when they mustered me out and at one time, which was in 1864. 12Q. You mean your first enlistment? A. Last enlistment, when I was seventeen years--- 13Q. You say that you came in near the southwest corner of Greer county and near the national monument? A. Yes, sir. 14Q. Do you refer to the monument placed there by the U S engineers who located the 100th meridian? A. yes, sir; I suppose that is the monument. 15Q. Did you see that monument or any trace of it during your recent trip? A. yes, sir; went right by it. 16Q. Does it now mark the recognized boundary between Greer on the west and the base of the panhandle? A. Yes, sir. 17Q. How far is it from the bank of South fork? A. It is betwixt a half and three-quarters of a mile. 18Q Is it in the same place now that it was when you first saw it? A. yes, sir; on the supposed 100th meridian. 19Q. How far do you live from the mouth of the Elm? A. I live about one and a half miles. 20Q. Then you are perfectly familiar with the flow of the water? A. Yes, sir. 21Q. Through Elm and the North fork above the mouth? A. Yes, sir; along about the mouth I am, I reckon, for the last seven years as a man could be. 22Q. Above the junction of North fork and the Elm which of the ttwo streams furnishes the greatest flow of water? A. Right above the junction? 23Q. Yes. 24Q. Well, the Elm does. 25Q. A great deal more, does it not? A. Not a very stout stream at all, but it furnishes the most water. 26Q. Is the Elm ever dry? A. Yes, sir, it is dry at sometimes. 27Q. For how long a period at a time? A. Not long; no length of time you can cross without crossing on the water. 28Q. Which is dry the oftenest, Elm or North fork, above the mouth? A. Right at the mouth, North fork is. 29Q. What is the difference in the width, the average width, of Elm as compared with North fork? A. of the bed? Well, North fork is the widest. 30Q. How much? A. Well, I suppose it will average fifty or one hundred yards the widest; as wide again. 31Q. What is the characteristics of the Elm? A. The banks of the Elm are tolerably high banks and the water is deeper channel than in North for, and the banks are mostly hard lands. 32Q. How deep are the banks? A. For a distance of eight or ten miles I expect ten feet on an average. 33Q. Do the banks overflow? A. Yes, sir; sometimes. Of course there are some places that they are lower than in others. 34Q. Is the bed wider at those points where the banks are lower? A. It is all in a bank, but I could not say whether it is wider at that place or not; don't know that it is. 35Q. From what direction does the Elm fork come into North fork? A. Well, something near a west direction, I suppose. 36Q. From what direction does the north fork come? A. You speak of right where they come together. Q. Yes. A. It comes in almost from a northwest direction. 37Q. Why did you hesitate when in your direct examination you were asked whether Elm emptied into North Fork or North fork into Elm? A. Well, sir, it is a question I do not know hardly how to answer, when two streams come together, which one flows into the other. They come in together in about this shape, about right angles, and when up, the water comes down both of them and goes right down on down, so I could not answer that question properly. 38Q. If in travelling through this Western country you strike at any time the junction of two streams and you find one of them discharging a much greater flow of water than the other, do you not determine from that face which one it is that empties into the other? A. We.., no, sir. 39Q. Will you give me any other illustration in your experience in this Western country where you regard a stream which furnishes the greatest amount of water as entering into the one which furnishes the less? A. Most of these creeks and canyons that come in--that come into their mouth--have more water in them than either North of South ford, either one. There will come in a big pool and there will be a big pool of water one-half or three quarters of a mile long. and maybe there will not be ten feet across it, and there will be a big pool of water. The bed of the rivers are sandy and flat like, too--- 40Q. My question has no reference to the condition of the creeks or streams except at the point where the two form a junction. I will ask you again if at the junction of two streams you know one to be a continual running stream and furnishing more water than the other do you not regard the one furnishing the least water as emptying into the one which furnishes the greatest amount of water? A. Well, I don't know. Sometimes a stream that furnishes the least water is a great deal the widest--that is, has the widest banks--and a great deal the longest, and the other maybe short and furnish a whole lot of water into that sand. 41Q. Then what is your criterion by which you determine which of the two streams is the principal stream? When two streams come together, what is the criterion by which you tell which is the main of the two streams and which enters into the other/ A. The biggest one. 42Q. Then would you not say that the North fork empties into the South fork because the South fork is much the biggest stream? A. They come together like these two and right at the mouth of the two there is not such a terrible sight of difference; there is a large san bar there. 43Q. What is the difference in the widths of the North and South fork at the junction? A. I do not know; but then there is not such a terrible sight where they come together; it is a terribly wide sand beach across both of the, but I have not been there lately to tell. 44Q. Which is the biggest? A. South fork is the biggest there. 45Q. And does not that condition as to size increase in favor of the South fork as you go up the stream? A. Yes; coming up the two streams there I would take that to be the one there. 46Q. The main stream? A. yes; it is the widest there, but I would hardly term it so. I would hardly know by the direction they went there which was the main stream. I would hardly know which one to term was the main stream. 47Q. Then what would become of your established theory that the biggest one was the main stream? How would you judge? What would become of your general plan of judging wherein you said you regarded the biggest one as the main stream? A. That is what I say. 48Q. Do you hesitate to say any longer that you consider South fork to be the main stream? A. Not there; I would not hesitate to go up it. 49Q. And now, having made a thorough examination for the two streams, gone up one and come down the other, and having examined the comparative width of them and the length and flow of water, do you hesitate to say now that South fork is the main stream? A. I could not say that it was or not. 50Q. That was not what you went for, was it? A. How? 51Q. In order to ascertain that the South fork was the main stream? A. I was sent by the attorney general to examine both streams. 52Q. For what purpose? A. Giving testimony for the State in the U S Case. 53Q. What was to be the object of your testimony? A. I suppose he thought my examination would be of advantage to him, because I suppose it was. Then it cuts no figure with me, I examined them both to come as near the right as I could. 54Q. And your examination did not change your judgment that the South fork was the main stream? A. My examination did not change my opinion of the thing but mighty little. Of course, I saw from an examination of the distance from one creek to the other. 55Q. On the same principal, I understand, namely, that North fork of Red River is wider than Elm fork, that you consider Elm fork as emptying into North fork? A. Yes, sir. 56Q. If Elm fork was wider than North fork, you would then think that North fork emptied into Elm.? A. Yes. (By Judge Clark: You do not do the witness justice. Widths and lengths was what he said.) Judge Allan: You can go on and make any further explanation that you see proper or I will repeat my question (this to witness). If Elm were wider than North fork, would you then consider that North fork emptied into Elm, or that Elm emptied into north fork? A. I will explain that. If I was just at the mouth of those streams and was coming up them for an examination of them or anything of that kind and knew nothing about them further, then i would, if one was wider than the other, suppose the wider was the main stream. In travelling in these sandy creeks in this country, when i am right at the mouth i would take the wider to be the main stream, but after i know them I consider the one that brings down the most water and is the longest st stream as the main stream. 57Q. How do you determine which of two streams drain the largest area of country? A. Well sir, from the amount of creeks that run into it and from the length of those creeks; for instance, from where the two streams run up side by side and the center of divide both wqys with the divide. For instance, here is Elm and North fork run up together. Thwere is a divide in that way, and the water drains fron one to the other. Now, if I was acquainted with them both all the way up and knew the divide was the most miles to Elm, I would claim that Elm ran more water than North fork did. 58Q. Then, if the greater protion of a divide flowed into one stream, you would give it the advantage of ratio of the divide that entered it? A. Here, for instance, is North fork on the north side. Now, the next creek is the Washita, which commences at the mouth and is 75 miles to get to the mouth of it. To get to the mouth of the Elm it is about 50 miles. The north side of all these streams drains more country than the south side. You can take that as being the facts all the way through this country, this western country. The north side generally drains, one-third more than the south side does. South for, North fork, Pease river, and all the way down---they all drain more water on the north side. 59Q. have you made an estimate of the comparative area of country drained respectively by the North and South forks? A. Yes, sir; I have been over them back and forth from Pease up and from the plain almost where I have hunted to both the forks of them. 60Q. What is your estimate? A. That they are in the neighborhood of twenty miles; that that will cover them. 61Q. But what is your estimate of the difference in the territory drained by North fork and that drained by South fork? A. I believe that North fork drains something like one-third more territory. 62Q. In what country did you find the source of North fork? A. I do not rememger the country. It was when i was buffalo hunting, and we knew nothing of the names of the counties, and i had not bee back in there for seventeen years until lately. A grea many creeks tha had certain names then are change now as to names. The names of a great many of them are changed since I hunted up there, and the counties back yonder we nothing about. 63Q. But when you went on this exploring tour for the government of Texas did not you know as important a fact as the name of the county in which the head-waters of North fork were? A. Yes; we did, and we set it down and kept it as a record, and it is there to show what iw was; there in that report. We did not keep the names on our minds. 64Q. Did you understqnd what county the head-waters were in before you started? A. No sir; I do not know that I did. 65Q. Did you have a map with you? A. Yes. 66Q. Where is that map now? A. I do not know. I believe Mr. Todd had it last, but do not know whether he has it yet or not. 67Q. Where did that map show the head-waters of North Fork to be? A. I do not remember the county's name. We have it set down, though. 68Q. Did you find the head-Waters where that map showed them to be? A. Well, I think we did in the county that it showed them to be. 69Q. Was it a railroad map? A. I am not positive whether it was or not. 70Q. Don't you know the name of it? A. No, sir. 71Q. How much land did you locate when you settled in the county? A. That is another hard question to answer. I do not know how much I did locate; think it has never been located yet. 72Q. How much did you claim? A. Well, I did think I made a claim to about three sections. 73Q. Is it in the neighborhood of the mines you have been describing? A. Yes, sir; not a great way from there. 74Q. Do you own any town lots or are you interested in any? A. No, sir: 75Q. Are you interested in any mining enterprise that has been started? A. I could not say that I am. I have some claims there, but I am not working them. 76Q. But you are interested in the claims, are you not? A. Yes, I suppose so. 77Q. What was the name of the Indian with whom you conversed in relation to the hsitory of the buried town? A. White Eagle. 78Q. Is he still living? A. I think he is, but I am not positive whether he is living or not. 79Q. Do you know where: A. He is in the Comanche nation. He is a comanche Indian, Comanche Chief at that time; good sized chief. 80Q. Did you get any date from him as to how long it was since the Indians whipped out the Spaniards or Mexicans? A. No, sir; I do not remember. I have studied over that part a good deal since then, but i do not remkember how long he did say that was. I do not remember how long he did say that was. I do not remember that point at all, how long ago it wqs he stated that the indians had whpped the Mexicans. 81Q. How old was he when he gave you the information? A. It is mighty hard to tell anything about the age of these indians from looking at them, but at a rough guess, I would guess him to be about 50 or 60 years old, but that has been about 16 or 17 years ago. 82Q. How soon afte you got this information did you begin to explore for the buried treasure? A. about two years. 83Q. And from that time to the present have you continued the search? A. Well, yes; at times. 84Q. Did you ever converce with other Indians with regard to the history of that locality? A. I have not with the Comanche Indians, but I have with the Kiowas. 85Q. Were not the Kiowas engaged in the conflict at the time of the massacre: A. I do not know about that point; I do not remember. 86Q. Did you ever converse with Lone Wolf? A. Yes; I have talked with him about this old town. 87Q. Did you learn anything from him which would throw any light upon the presence of those human remains you spoke of? A. No, sir; I did not. 88Q. Did he not tell you that when the smallpox broke out among the indians they left those who were affected by it, leaving provisions and water with them, so that they might take care of themselves, and those who were not affected left the "bad land" and went afurther north? A. No, I do not remember of his ever telling me that. 89Q. Have not you heard that as part of the history of that place? A. Well, I have heard that the indians were camped in there in that canyon some several years ago; the Kiowa Indians. Martinez told me they camped in there after they were captured and got back in there; that they got back in there and camped for one or two winters in the mountains in there. 90Q. Did not you also hear about those smallpox Indians? A. Yes; and that smallpox killed a great many Indians, but I do not know where they died, although my understanding is that they caught the smallpox about the Adobe Walls on the Canadian up in the Panhandle. They must have been on the Canadian at that time from what informtion I got from hunters and tha tthey were caught on the Adobe Walls place with the smallpox and that they were then on the Washita or Canadian. 91Q. What did you understand was the cause of the killing of these mexicans or Spaniards by the Indians? A. From that indian's history and several other Indians' history to me, that they had been on the warpath as long as the oldest indians could recollect; that the Spaniards and then had been on the warpath in this western country. 92Q. Did not they claim the territory where these foreigners were operating as their territory? A. I suppose they die. They claimed all this western Texas at that time on the the Staked Plains. 93Q. And they were fighting them for that which they believed to be their territorial rights? A. Yes, sir; at that time they claimed all the western country of Texas. There is no doubt about that; all the plains and the Staked plains too. 94Q. Do the tradition of those times, as far as you have learned them, give any evidence that the government of Spain or of Mexico either recognized or even knew that thes men were engaged in the occupation they were following at that point? A. i could not say about that. 95Q. Is that the only spot east of the Mexico line where some traces mayh be found of Mexican or Spaniards having been exploring in search of minerals? A. No, sir; I suppose not. 96Q. The town of which you speak is how far north of the Greer County line? A. About half a mile from the river of North fork. 97Q. Are there any other evidences of their having crossed the North fork except the sinking of the shaft to which you referred? A. Yes; there sre some signs of where they prospected on the mountains on this d\side and in different places that I saw. 98Q. You speak of the Wichita mountains? A. Yes, in Greer county. 99Q. Can you tell me the length of that range of mountains? A. Well, yes; take them all in, sixty or sixty-five miles. 100Q. Running from what direction? A. Running from north of east from here. 101Q. But from what point of the compass? A. From Sill, say--Fort Sill. 102Q. Runing then north of what? A. North of west. 103Q. What proportion of that range of mountains lay east of Greer County? A. Well, the great proportion of them. 104Q. What proportion in Greer County? A. Well, I will make a rough proximation of them; I will say about a tenth. 105Q. What is the principal range of these mountains? A Principal range of those mountains are in the Comanche and Kiowa nations. 106 Q. Where is Headquarter mountain? A. In Greer County. 107Q. How far is the shaft or hole which you have spoken of from the river? A. The highest place is about two and a half miles 108Q. This side of the river, i presume? A. Yes, sir. 109Q. Did not you say in your direct examination that it was six miles from the Spanish town? A. Yes, sir; about six miles from the Spanish town. 110Q. What bridges are there across the North fork of Red River above the mouth of the Elm? I do not know of any. 111Q. Do you know what was the length of the Quanah bridge across the South fork? A. No, sir. 112Q. What experience had you had in the use of a roadometer before you started on your recent surveying tour? A. Myself? I never did use one before. I have been with an outfit tow or three times that had roadometers on the wheels. 113Q. Who kept the tally as long as you were using the oadometer. A. Me and mr. Todd both kept it for awhile; then from that on I kept it myself. 114Q. How did you keep it? A. Well sir, there is two cylinders to this instrument. One notch gains one or counts one every time the wheels go around and counts it up until it gets up to another number, when it turns the other. Before we started we tried to see how far it took that thing to turn a hundred times. and it came out right in the neighborhood of a quarter of a mile, and from that bottom cylinder every time the top cylendar goes around a hundred times the bottome cylinder goes one. When we counted it up first it had made twenty-three miles. Now, whenever that run out I would set it down. It did not stop that thing; it just kept going right on and of course, I could see at night just where it run out. There could be no mistake in this; none at all, unless it runout in one day. I kept an account of it in that way, and mr Todd and I counted it up, and while he had 115Q. Do you know anything of mechanics yourself: A. Not much 116Q. Do you know anything about mechanics pertaining to instruments of that kind? A. Weel, there was tolerable little about that thing; simply two cylinders to it, and a man could soon learn it. 117Q But Mr. Todd was a man of equal intelligence with yourself, was he not: A. yes; I suppose so. 118Q. He was not satisfied wiht it? A. Oh, he could count it, but then in running over the bulk of the ground he took the idea that the thing would not count it right, that in turning in the rough ground it might turn over the wrong way. It hangs downwards and he though it might hang the wrong way. 119Q. He concludced it was an instrument intended for level roads and not for rough roads? (no answer.) 120Q. Do you remember what counties you found the source of South fork of Red river in? A. No, sir; I do not. 121Q. Do you remember distinctly now which of the two canyons it was in, Tierra Blanco or Palo Duro? A. In Tierra Blanco. 122Q. It was a mistake, then, when in your direct examination you said Palo Duro? A. I am satisfied there has been some confusion of the names of the two canyons. Of course, the names of these canyons have been changed some two or three times since I first saw them. 123Q. Do you know how far west the palo Duro canyon runs? A. I would not say exactly how far and where it runs. There is a draw that comes from it up where we went that i am satisfied is the head-waters of it. There is a draw that runs out of that into the plains, there some distance, I suppose as far as New Mexico line. 124Q. Is not it true of all these sections of country that these draws frequently lie between portion of a running stream/ I mean that you will find through certain sections of the country running waters, and yhou then cross over a portion of country grown up with grass, but over which it is evident that high water will run? A. Yes. 125Q. And between such points of running water are not these draws frequently to be found? A. Oh, yes; about thirty miles there is one where no water runs at all, and below that there is running water and grass has grown all over this draw. 126Q. But you did not go beyond this draw much to discover in Palo Duro canyon? A. No, sir; but I have been there at different times. 127Q. Did you examine the map to see how far west it ran? A. Yes; we examined the map. It was marked on the map some further out than we went, but we went by the information of the best man's word, a man who had lived in there seven or eight years --considered to be living on the head-waters. He gave us his opinion that that was the head-waters and we passed about five miles above that where the water was standing in holes. 128Q. That was on the Tierra Blanco canyon? A. yes; what is termed as the head of Red river, South fork. 129Q. Have you ever held any office in Greer County, Mrs. Settles? A. No, sir. 130Q. Do the people in Greer county pay any taxes to the State upon their lands. A. No, sir. I do not think there is any tax paid. No doubt some fellows have paid to get in sometimes a little on their claims. I gave in my land once, but I have never paid taxes on it. Redirect, By Judge Clar: 1.RDQ. What is the character of water in Elm? Salty? 2. RDQ. As you go up above Elm on North fork does the river widen or narrow? A. It widens. 3RDQ. What would you saw is its average wideth between band and bank? A. Well, I suppose about a quarter of a mile. 4RDQ. Now, when you came down South fork, was that stream up there, from its source---from its head-waters down to a certain distance--known by any other name to the people there? A. I understood there that it was known and claimed by the Spanish to be named"White Earth." 5RDQ. Was it called by the Spaniards Red River? A. No, sir; I never knew it to be called Red River by an of these old citizens in there. 6RDQ. What was it called? A."White Earth" was the Spanish name fopr it, as I understood it up there. 7RDQ. Which stream, North or South Fork, do you consider to be the main stream or main Red river? A. I consider the North fork is, on account of the country it drains, and on account of the length of it and the amount of water that flows into it. It runs more water than Sough fork does. 8RDQ. What is the color of the water in South fork, say in time of freshets? A. In times of freshets it is red. 9RDQ. What is the color of the North fork? A. It is red, too. 10RDQ. You have spoken in reply to cross examination with reference to smallpox among the indians. When was that? A. Well, I am not positive, but suppose it is somewhere about 17 years ago. 11RDQ. Then you know nothing of smallpox having broken out among Indians fifty or seventy or a hundred years ago? A. No, Sir. 12RDQ. Your whole testimony is confined to a recent date? A. Yes. 13RDQ. You spoke also in reply to cross-examination of Indians claiming this territory. Have you ever heard of Indians claiming the whole of the United States of America as their land? A. I think I have, sir. 14. RDQ. What is their claim with reference to this with reference to owning the lands of the U S. A. I simply know of them claiming lands wherever you find the indians has been on. 15RDQ. Have you ever heard them claiming other portions of the State of Texas? A. Yes, sir; from here to the Stakes plains and the Colordato. The Indians were on that and claim that country. We had trougble with them there several times on all these lands down in there that they claim. I was out hunting there several times and heard of their claims. Recross-examination, by Judge Allan. 1. CQ. After a freshet is the water of the North fork or of the South fork the darkest in color? A. Well, to say the darkest in high water; of course, most all of them are clear waters when the waters are down. There are some streams on the North fork that are red all the time--sediment. I suppose. I believe, however, that the darkest color--staying dark-- would be the South . 2Q. Is not that difference owing to the fact that some of the tributaries of North fork are fed from springs of clear water? A. yes; there are a good many of the streams that are fed by springs. 3Q. What is the average width of South forkA? A. The average width from the face of the plains down to the junction is something, I suppose, between three-quarters of a mile and maybe a mile wide. Last general interrogatory by the commissioner. Do you know or can you set forth any other matter or thing which may be a benefit or advantage to the parties at issue in this cause or either of them, or that may be material to the subject of this your examinatio or the matters in question in this cause? If yea, set forth the same fully and at large in your answer. A. Now, there is an old trail that crosses below the mouth of Pease river that is said to be an old Spanish trail and comes by what is know now as Settles' creek on the west side. I have followed that trail up from the crossing 10 or 15 miles, and i am satisfied that was some fifteen or sixteen years ago. There have been surveyors there also. I located a piece of land and the surveyors came up to survey my land off, and they said that their field-notes called it the old Spanish trail. They called the name of the trail and said taht the same train ran through Jack County. Old Sam Green, of Clay countym, was the surveyor who called it that. (Counsel for the U S objects to so much of the foregoinh answer as relates to the statements made to the witness by Sam Green)Then when we came to the monument--national monument--the first time I made a trip across, we found a bottle there with a breat many papers in it, and I don't remember exactly what else. We were expecting to find some old Spanish works in there. The man with me made an examination of the papers and I found out it was the survey. Questioned by Mr Allan. What did you do with the bottle and the papers? A. Right where we got them, sunk by the side of a rock put ups as a monument. Q. You could not read the papers and, of course, could not tell what was in them? A. A man was with me that read them and I heard them read. (Counsel for the U S objects to the statement by the witness of anything purporting to be written upon the papers in the bottle referred to for the reason that the witness could not read the papers himself, and the papers themselves, or the witness who did read them, if any, constitute the best evident of the fact proposed to be proven). A. My partner read the papers that were in the bottle. it stated by who it was surveyed and the direction they surveyed from: surveyed from the north and surveyed the line of the 100th meridian, and i cannot stte what was in the papers nor the name of the person, but it stated when it was surveyed and was witnessed up there by a military officer, a lieutenant. Mr. Doan's read those papers. J C SETTLES.